What is the Baha'i message in simple words?
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
May be. No one has exact count. Being second largest with piddling numbers is no fun, nothing to brag about. Like Hindus in Arizona, 32,000 out of a total population of 7,151,502.
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Tony Bristow-Stagg
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I see most people's concepts of these topics are trapped in the materialism of this age. They are yet to consider how these concepts will work, when we eliminate gross materialism. When we see the future, that is concerned with the good of all, then looking in such a light, the future is a positive and spiritual enlightning prospect.
Regards Tony
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
- Mahatma Gandhi
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Tony Bristow-Stagg
One Planet One People Please
Meaning what?
Tony Bristow-Stagg
One Planet One People Please
Okay, I get it, it is part of your belief that humanity will change in such a way that such scenarios won't happen.
Can you empathize with those of us who don't hold this belief, how some of the Baha'i writings look to us?
You have a List of messsengers/manifestations.that are/were not human?
You will continue to wait...my page has no numbering system on posts. So I got no clue to what you are referring.
OK, let's go for it.
Oh, for sure.
"And Jesus answering, said to them: Take heed that no man seduce you: For many will come in my name saying, I am Christ: and they will seduce many." (Matthew 24:4-5) "And many false prophets shall rise, and shall seduce many... But he that shall persevere to the end, he shall be saved. (24:11, 13) "And this gospel of the kingdom, shall be preached in the whole world, for a testimony to all nations, and then shall the consummation come.(24:15, my emphasis)
"Then if any man shall say to you: Lo here is Christ, or there, do not believe him. For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Behold I have told it to you, beforehand."
(24:24-25)
Not according to Scripture: "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven ... and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with much power and majesty."
(Matthew 25:30)
If you had the eyes and ears, you would see this is a Trinitarian statement.
Let me explain:
2 Corinthians 4:6 "For God (God the Father), who said, "Light shall shine out of darkness," is the One who has shone in our hearts (God the Holy Spirit) to give the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ (God the Son)."
This is in accord with "but you have received the spirit of adoption of sons, whereby we cry: Abba (Father)" (Romans 8:15) and "And because you are sons, God (God the Father) hath sent the Spirit (God the Holy Spirit) of his Son (God the Son) into your hearts, crying: Abba, Father."
Precisely as Christ foretold: "But the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you." (John 14:26) "But when the Paraclete (Holy Spirit) cometh, whom I will send you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceedeth from the Father, he shall give testimony of me." (John 15:26).
Which is what happened at Pentecost ... the Dogmas of Incarnation and Trinity are revealed by the Holy Spirit when He illuminates the meaning of the words and deeds of Christ 'he will teach you all things' ...
We know, we have no better exemplar than Christ.
Based on the Baha'i equating Baha'u'llah with the second coming of Christ (upon the clouds) how to reconcile this:
Am sure there's a way around this, but nevertheless interested to hear it ...
With this:
Christ makes it clear that His second coming will not be as the persecuted one?
Am sure there's a way around this, but nevertheless interested to hear it ...
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Like to power of 10
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Well, as I see it, Christians and Baha'is will throw scripture quotes at each other till the cows come home. It's fun, but it should be consensual. Is everybody reall aboard for this ride?
Can we think of other ways to conduct the conversation? Instead of trying to prove each other wrong, what else could we try?
Walk a mile in the other person's sandals, perhaps? A Baha'i and a Christian agree to try to view the universe through the other faith's lenses for a day? We could still do the quote-fest, only, the participants would try to find quotes in support of the other faith's point of view.
How about that?
Can we think of other ways to conduct the conversation? Instead of trying to prove each other wrong, what else could we try?
Walk a mile in the other person's sandals, perhaps? A Baha'i and a Christian agree to try to view the universe through the other faith's lenses for a day? We could still do the quote-fest, only, the participants would try to find quotes in support of the other faith's point of view.
How about that?
Tony Bristow-Stagg
One Planet One People Please
I see empathy, which is the ability to understand and share the feelings of another always plays a part, but it goes beyond empathy, into other emotions.
I really do not know what feelings I have at this time.
Maybe It is more a deep sadness, I am sad for humanity, that humanity does not want to consider that God does guide us in this age, as God has guided us all in the past as well. Maybe it is a sum of multiple emotions, frustration, humility, thankfulness, impatience. I know I am a very impatient person a hard thing to change.
I am sad for humanity, us all, that the materialism of this world wins us over so easily. I can say that, as in my journey, there was many years where it clouded my choices. Most likely it still does.
Regards Tony
Tony Bristow-Stagg
One Planet One People Please
The Quran has a list if you wish to know of a few.
The Kitab-i-iqan by Baha'u'llah has listed a few as well.
I will offer a couple, and offer that we are told that there is as many Messengers as there are Suns in all the Universes and World's of God.
The opening passages of this Tablet hints to the number of Messengers.
https://bahai-library.com/abdul-baha_lawh_aflakiyyih
So a few we have seen on our world have been Moses, Krishna Zoroaster, Jesus, Muhammad, and in this age, the Bab and Baha'u'llah.
Regards Tony
Thanks!
There is another point of Baha'i belief I'd like to get into: the Unity of Humanity.
To me, things like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights comes to mind, and international solidarity against the excesses of our current economic paradigm, things like that. What does that mean to a Baha'i believer?
Tony Bristow-Stagg
One Planet One People Please
I hear you the best.
In the end, it needs to be discussed. Maybe offering the same Bible verses seen in a new light, may help?
All I know is unfortunately I do not have the time to devote to in-depth discussions. That may be the biggest issue, as a well structured reply is not forthcoming.
Regards Tony
Tony Bristow-Stagg
One Planet One People Please
Thank you for asking, as it is these aspects that keep open the door of hope for all of humanity.
For me, when I see movements that are focused on the Global outlook, for the good of all, it is a confirmation of a Message I have embraced as a way of life.
The entire Message I have embraced is focused on achieving those noble global outcomes, they are the core principles of the Faith given by the Bab and Baha'u'llah.
"The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens".
"Let not a man glory in this, that he loves his country; let him rather glory in this, that he loves his kind"
I am a World Citizen, so here are some quotes behind a link about being a world citizen.
https://bahaiquotes.com/subject/world-citizen
Regards Tony
So the Bahai accept all listed in Quran as manifestations of G!d?
And all the OT prophets as well?
But there is no sanctified list?
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