Is freewill real or just something we invented it ?

no attack happen let us continue with freewill that lightwithin also has told us that evolution does take part of the history of the world.
 
let me ask Lightwithin why he is here ;D.Apology to do not wish to offend ya perhaps you don't know he wanted you to decided your life. And you don't know when he did maybe your parents decided for you or teachers or simply the love of your life decided your life. You don't know why he sent you ? And lightwithin he did have a plan maybe it was for you to save your father and you don't know, you were suppose to go school somewhere else, Meet another person and find your true love, and perhaps he wanted you to be happy with your dream. You don't what it is Lightwithin if You know God you will know it. But still all of society is educated and taught not to look for it but to pay the rich taxes and obey the system. You know the world Lightwithin and it has done you wrong.

Tell me lightwithin you know God sent you as a witness do you know his personal plan ? Tell me what made you into a christian ?
 
davidsheep88 said:
Please tell me when Adam who was a giant
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Was he a giant?
davidsheep88 said:
let me ask Lightwithin why he is here ;D.
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(you are referring to me, I am a woman)
davidsheep88 said:
you don't know he wanted you to decided your life. And you don't know when he did maybe your parents decided for you or teachers or simply the love of your life decided your life. You don't know why he sent you ? And lightwithin he did have a plan maybe it was for you to save your father and you don't know, you were suppose to go school somewhere else, Meet another person and find your true love, and perhaps he wanted you to be happy with your dream.
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davidsheep88 said:
And lightwithin he did have a plan maybe it was for you to save your father and you don't know,
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not sure what you mean here this is probably a typo?

I'm not quite sure what you mean, but it seems you are speculating about counterfactuals.
Sure I speculate sometimes what would have happened if if I had been offered different opportunities, if I had dreamed of different things, if I had gone to another college, taken a different major, gone to graduate school earlier or for a different program, met other people who got involved in my life, etc. ad infinitum.
But that's not reality. That's fantasy.
Unless you are claiming a time machine where people go back and revisit "the road not taken" or something.
But somehow I think that's not what you're driving at.

As it is I have the career I have, the husband I have, the friends I have, the house I have, the pets I have.
As a counselor, I have learned a great deal from those clients who are in recovery, about the attitude of gratitude.
I try to keep it there and keep it real...
 
your are happy then with your decisions, i'm not talking about a time machine and pardon didn't know you where young lady. After I read realize you put all this that this was fast and apology to ask you. Because this is fast you wrote will tell ya that your life seem the ideal life of normal person but going to point that you do want to change it ? Is it really what you wanted ?

I have feeling ligthwithin you are spiritual person and I have special abilities of talking to people and how they react and realize you have other things you had happen it is clear you are not complete. You have not find the mission you have said the life of a normal person not trying to intrude and what you told now I know you are looking for something in life. hmmm Tell me lightwithin do you believe you have accomplish everything God wanted you to do because here I will ask as friend in christianity if you had the time machine what would you change to put some family members to baptized in christianity if you had the chance and bring the time machine ?
 
If I had a time machine no I would of went to stop Lucifer from starting the war in heaven and perhaps we would of had a different world.
 
But good lightwithin I sense you do want to something else and your family is fine but how you wrote it and how you said it. You do write like you have something mission because when people write a list of his dog,cat, family,and career such things is simple you have wisdom and you want something.
 
hmmm look don't want to look wierd do like talking I would like a machine to save the world but that is selfish. And many have told me if they had a way to go back in time and do over their life they would not make the same mistakes they did before. They would of finish college, get married, and find god in their life. That is ideal and one the thing they emphazized they would want their family to be baptized. If you had the chamce would you like to see family in hevaen with you ?

Maybe going too psychoanalyst don't only talking to help people find that mission.
 
Going to change the conversation want to give wider spectrum of what if ? and if people can choose those setting what could they want to change their life and no need to write it.
 
Going to sleep getting ready to write about ways to find the mission God gave in heaven he wants you to do in your life !
 
davidsheep88 said:
have special abilities of talking to people and how they react
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Oh?
davidsheep88 said:
here I will ask as friend in christianity if you had the time machine what would you change to put some family members to baptized in christianity if you had the chance and bring the time machine ?
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To be clear, my theology is not entirely the same as Christian theology.
Although I am not Jewish, my theology has much in common with Jewish thought.
davidsheep88 said:
But good lightwithin I sense you do want to something else and your family is fine but how you wrote it and how you said it. You do write like you have something mission because when people write a list of his dog,cat, family,and career such things is simple you have wisdom and you want something.
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If things were different, they wouldn't be the same.
I'm not sure what you are driving at, but though interesting it all seems very personal.
What are your motives?
 
davidsheep88 said:
I have feeling ligthwithin you are spiritual person and I have special abilities of talking to people and how they react and realize you have other things you had happen it is clear you are not complete. You have not find the mission you have said the life of a normal person not trying to intrude and what you told now I know you are looking for something in life.
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As a counselor, I hear a lot about people asking the same kinds of questions, what life would be like if this or that had been different.
Some people even speculate about time machines that will let them go back and correct mistakes.

There was a Canadian TV show about 20 years ago called "Being Erica" which was about someone whose therapist could magically send them back in time so they could have "do-overs" (People sometimes wish or even seem to think I can do that!):eek::oops: I think I originally learned about the show from a client. (I don't recall if the show ever explained how their premise worked, it was not quite science fiction or fantasy or magic. They did have some spiritual overtones in the show, the main character was Jewish and her father was a rabbi) I don't recall if the premise of the show was supposed to reflect something spiritually serious like Kabbalah or just modern fantasy dramatic storytelling.

Ideas like this are popular because:
Many people want things like this, the chance to right wrongs, some for far more serious reasons than others.
I hear about it a lot in my work as a counselor. Some times more than others.
Many think the chance at do-overs would be wonderful and they want to know where to sign up.
Others say something like "Heavens to Betsy what a dreadful idea!"
No matter what attitude you take, if things were different, they wouldn't be the same.
Being grounded in reality and having an attitude of gratitude -it's what I advise clients, while knowing it is sometimes easier said than done. For some far more so than for others.

But to bring this back around to the topic of freewill, being able to change the past SEEMS as if it would be the ultimate expression of free will, right? Except that it would not be exactly that, it would be some kind of wish fulfillment, which is not the same thing as free will. I think some people fail to believe in free will because they have it mixed up with wish fulfillment or something.

In the TV show I referenced, the wish fulfillment part of the story sometimes leads to something going wrong. And there's a lesson in it.

To actually change the past would also be to impose one's will on others, and undo their choices.

But some people really do get stuck in the past, and find it hard to deal with today.
For some people, that is what they are in counseling to deal with.
So naturally I think about these questions fairly often from many angles.
 
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