who, what, and where is Jesus ?

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who was Jesus ?
what was Jesus ?
and where is he now ?

I actually know the answer to all 3 of these questions, but I am also interested in the opinions of others.
 
Here is my take on it.
Jesus came as the second Adam to restore what our first ancestors lost in the Garden. His lineage was purified during the course of the old testament involving different chosen figures like Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jacob, Esau, Isaac, Tamar, etc.etc. He was born sinless as a Godly child. He proclaimed the Kingdom of God is at hand but was rejected by the chosen people God had prepared to receive him. He could not start a new sinless family. His body was killed and crucified but his spirit was victorious. Through his resurrection, we can receive spiritual salvation.
Jesus is in us (if we choose to accept him) and he is preparing the world to receive the 3rd Adam that he will anoint to fulfill God absolute and unchanging will.
In Genesis God gave man 3 blessings. 1)Be fruitful 2) Multiply 3) Dominate the earth
This is what the Kingdom of God is. Unfortunatly, the first family was tainted through the fall and we created a satanic world.
 
soleil10 said:
Here is my take on it.
Jesus came as the second Adam to restore what our first ancestors lost in the Garden. His lineage was purified during the course of the old testament involving different chosen figures like Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jacob, Esau, Isaac, Tamar, etc.etc. He was born sinless as a Godly child. He proclaimed the Kingdom of God is at hand but was rejected by the chosen people God had prepared to receive him. He could not start a new sinless family. His body was killed and crucified but his spirit was victorious. Through his resurrection, we can receive spiritual salvation.
Jesus is in us (if we choose to accept him) and he is preparing the world to receive the 3rd Adam that he will anoint to fulfill God absolute and unchanging will.
In Genesis God gave man 3 blessings. 1)Be fruitful 2) Multiply 3) Dominate the earth
This is what the Kingdom of God is. Unfortunatly, the first family was tainted through the fall and we created a satanic world.
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amen to that
 
I got really whacked by the Holy Spirit the other day and since then I been re-evaluated my understanding of Jesus.

who was Jesus ?

Well Jesus was a man he was also fully God as well

what was Jesus ?

Jesus represents the divinity inside all of us

and where is he now ?

well he's living inside of us right now, Jesus represents the divine life thats inside all of us right now !

well something like that anyway :rolleyes:
 
GlorytoGod said:
I got really whacked by the Holy Spirit the other day and since then I been re-evaluated my understanding of Jesus.
who was Jesus ?
Well Jesus was a man he was also fully God as well
what was Jesus ?
Jesus represents the divinity inside all of us
and where is he now ?
well he's living inside of us right now, Jesus represents the divine life thats inside all of us right now !
well something like that anyway :rolleyes:
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For me Jesus was a man with a divine Character. God could be in him. He was one with God.
I heard that there are more reference in the Bible of Jesus as a son of man than a son of God.
We do have a fallen and we have still our original nature. They are fighting each other. Jesus can access our original, heavenly nature. Unfortunatly Satan can access our fallen side
 
GlorytoGod said:
who was Jesus ?
what was Jesus ?
and where is he now ?

I actually know the answer to all 3 of these questions, but I am also interested in the opinions of others.
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Jesus was the result of the virgin birth. This means that the passage of the life force coming from above that is normally passed on mechanically through regular sex, in this case because of Mary's emotional purity, was able to come consciously so to speak. In this way the essence of Jesus could take on a physical form.

Jesus was the "Son of Man," meaning the highest evolution for Man. At the same time he was a Son of God meaning having the same characteristics as God but only within creation rather than the Father that is outside Creation. In this way the Christ also has inner unity and the united Trinity existing within him but only lower in scale. This is how the Son is within the father and the father within the son. The Son and Father are the same but just differing in scale.

The Son manifesting as Jesus then serves to connect the father and man on earth. The problem has always been hiow to get fallen man consciously evolving so as to become closer to his rightful place and serve a universal purpose proper for the name "Man."

Once Man has evolved he no longer needs to rely on the Son. I believe this is what Meister Eckhart means when he wrote:

"Man's last and highest parting occurs when, for God's sake, he takes leave of God."

This is what I believe it means "To Be." It is a necesary individuality that serves a universal purpose connecting a higher level of reality with a lower similar to that of the Son connecting fallen man and the Father.
 
who was Jesus ? God lowering Himself came to earth as a man

what was Jesus ? The Lamb of God.. Salvation.. Mercy... Grace..

and where is he now ? ALIVE with our Father in heaven preparing a place for His church .. also Inside those who have accepted Him as their Lord via the Holy Spirit of God.
 
GlorytoGod said:
I got really whacked by the Holy Spirit the other day and since then I been re-evaluated my understanding of Jesus.

who was Jesus ?

Well Jesus was a man he was also fully God as well

what was Jesus ?

Jesus represents the divinity inside all of us

and where is he now ?

well he's living inside of us right now, Jesus represents the divine life thats inside all of us right now !

well something like that anyway :rolleyes:
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Namaste GtG,

Quite nice whack... exactly in line with my beliefs...welcome.
 
soleil10 said:
For me Jesus was a man with a divine Character. God could be in him. He was one with God.
I heard that there are more reference in the Bible of Jesus as a son of man than a son of God.
We do have a fallen and we have still our original nature. They are fighting each other. Jesus can access our original, heavenly nature. Unfortunatly Satan can access our fallen side
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Soleil, you said "God could be in Him (Jesus). do you think Jesus could have done the things He done, If not for God being in Him. Not just the healings but resurrecting the dead. also not to mention the only man that never sined doing His life here on earth. Why does everyone used the term (fallen) when speaking of Adam and Eve or the first man? Here's my question. If God knows everything before we do it, if He is all knowing as most here claim. Then wouldn't God had known before He created Adam and Eve that they would sin or fall? If not then God must not know everything. If so then man did not fall. Man did excatly what God had intended them to do. There's no suprising God. Man did just what God knew they would do before He created them. therefore we did not fall. Now like I said If we did fall, then God created something (man) that He did not know what they would do.My God knew. There's no surpising my God. He does know everything before it happens.
 
winner08 said:
Soleil, you said "God could be in Him (Jesus). do you think Jesus could have done the things He done, If not for God being in Him. Not just the healings but resurrecting the dead. also not to mention the only man that never sined doing His life here on earth.
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What I meant was by using the word "Could" was God was able to be in Him because of his divine character. We are called to be the temple of God.

winner08 said:
Why does everyone used the term (fallen) when speaking of Adam and Eve or the first man? Here's my question. If God knows everything before we do it, if He is all knowing as most here claim. Then wouldn't God had known before He created Adam and Eve that they would sin or fall? If not then God must not know everything.
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God does not know everything before we do it. That would be absurd. It is an absurd concept. God gave us free will. He gave a commandment to A&E. It was their responsibility to follow it. God did not plan for A&E to fall. He is not an evil God. I just cant believe people have such ideas of God.

winner08 said:
If so then man did not fall. Man did exactly what God had intended them to do. There's no suprising God. Man did just what God knew they would do before He created them. therefore we did not fall. Now like I said If we did fall, then God created something (man) that He did not know what they would do.My God knew. There's no surpising my God. He does know everything before it happens.
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God did not want A&E to fall. He was so disappointed. He even regretted to have created us. We are not mindless puppets.

It is essential to know what happened at the fall. Why did Lucifer became Jealous of Adam and Eve ? What fruit was so tempting that God had to give A&E a commandement in order to warn them while they were growing to maturity ?

Without understanding the fall, it is difficult to make sense of anything
 
winner08 said:
Here's my question. If God knows everything before we do it, if He is all knowing as most here claim. Then wouldn't God had known before He created Adam and Eve that they would sin or fall? If not then God must not know everything. If so then man did not fall. Man did excatly what God had intended them to do. There's no suprising God.
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We did what God knew what we would do is not the same as we did exactly as God intended us to do. I don't think God created the world so that we'd have a place to fight battles, nor did he create people so that the ambitious would have someone to exploit. God likely (let me get back to this) knew exactly what we would do with the freedom we've been given, which is precisely why he needed to send his son to straighten us out.

To me, Jesus is (among a ton of other things, many having been named on this thread already) the goal God has set for us: that we could strive to become as loving and as faithful as Jesus.

Let me get back to likely: Just to toss out a thought that will almost certainly become immediately unpopular, has anyone ever thought that maybe God didn't know exactly what we would choose in the garden? Not that God couldn't have known, but perhaps he didn't want to know. After all, just because God has power doesn't mean that he necessarily has to use it, yeah?

I think Simone Weil said that...
 
Hi Wil,

Thanks very much. Well yeah, I don't beat around the bush, I say what I think. I've been an atheist, agnostic, a Thervada buddhist (still has many virtues to me) and now have come to Christ.
Bit of a spiritual roller coaster!
 
Penguin said:
Hi Wil,

Thanks very much. Well yeah, I don't beat around the bush, I say what I think. I've been an atheist, agnostic, a Thervada buddhist (still has many virtues to me) and now have come to Christ.
Bit of a spiritual roller coaster!
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thats cool Penguin, sounds a bit like my journey.

I have been atheist, agnostic, new ager, muslim and now Christian.
 
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