Religion and Bigotry is their a link ?

Resigned said:
If you are a Jew as opposed to a Christian, your very self-identification tells me that you are announcing Judaism to be right, and Christianity to be wrong-- unless you are purposely following a doctrine you believe is wrong (I suppose some people might do that, but whatever for?).
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I think if you're going to talk about Jews you're talking about the wrong people. I don't think Judaism works that way and if you asked Jews, last time I checked, they'd tell you they only claim a "particular relationship" with God. That isn't arrogance. That is saying they have a place in God's heart/kingdom/agenda but it doesn't exclude or disqualify anyone else from having a relationship with God.
 
Nick_A said:
Resigned



Actually it is just the opposite. Instead of a conception of God, the secular society you describes worships the "Great Beast" which is society itself. This assures that such a society will always alternate between compassion and cruelty. It is the way of the "Beast." it won't change its spots to justify platitudes to the contrary.

Admitting to the nature of social force, though a politically incorrect effort, is very revealing for those that wish to get beyond wishful thinking.
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I’m at a loss to explain these terms the "Great Beast". I see people every day living their lives within the context of societal norms, unencumbered by any particular leaning toward either compassion or cruelty.

It’s important to remember that entire civilizations have flourished before there was any conception of the gods currently in vogue. In a real sense, I believe that we in the secular governed West have actually avoided what is the true and genuine "Great Beast”; that of islamic styled forced religion.
Religion in Western cultures is largely a private and personal matter. For the most part it is not often dragged into the public arena or forced upon others. In a democracy, you can believe (or not) as you wish, and you can expect that right to be honored (even if grudgingly) and protected by law. This is illustrative of the plurality in democracy which makes us strong and fires the debates which help to preserve our freedoms. It also fosters a de facto secular social milieu which has allowed the arts and sciences to flourish, thus improving our lives and our ability to help others to improve theirs. The positive impact of Western liberal democracy on mankind cannot be overstated. We've evolved; we’ve advanced the principles of the individual in the context of the whole. We also understand the benefit to ourselves when we have democratic allies rather than totalitarian enemies.
 
so the Great Beast is..islamic style forced religion?
shoot, i thought it was the fascist society that wouldnt tolerate children behaving in adult like matters.
Its seems the great beast wears many colours,
 
Saltmeister said:


I think if you're going to talk about Jews you're talking about the wrong people. I don't think Judaism works that way and if you asked Jews, last time I checked, they'd tell you they only claim a "particular relationship" with God. That isn't arrogance. That is saying they have a place in God's heart/kingdom/agenda but it doesn't exclude or disqualify anyone else from having a relationship with God.
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I certainty can’t describe to you that I’m talking to the “right kind” of Jews vs. the “wrong kind”. I can only relay what they have told me. Although, I do find some arrogance in that believers are often quick to point out that their conception of the faith is true and inerrant in comparison to the conceptions of others.

I make no judgments one way or the other. Interpretations of religious texts will always yield divisions. I suppose that’s way there are so many different religious faiths.
 
greymare said:
so the Great Beast is..islamic style forced religion?
shoot, i thought it was the fascist society that wouldnt tolerate children behaving in adult like matters.
Its seems the great beast wears many colours,
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I think you may wish to re-think your: ”i thought it was the fascist society that wouldnt tolerate children behaving in adult like matters.”

Without some context within which to evaluate this ludicrous fascist society™ thing, you’re just treading water.
 
greymare said:
Or what?:)
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...or go to a place such as the KSA and announce your decision to leave the State religion and embrace a competing religion. See if that gives you a perspective of what a fascist society™ is really about.
 
greymare said:
KSA??? State religion???
not in my country sunshine
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Why not? I suspect that you would look absolutely stunning in an islamic style Fem-tent. Thank god for secular institutions, eh?



I think you have managed to utterly collapse the very argument you hoped to further. If you accept the precept that moslems believe they are superior to infidels purely for the fact that they are moslems, there is a word for that attitude. It is called fascism. Defending the fascistic notion that moslems are deserving of rights not granted to non-moslems for no other reason than religious belief is fascism, pure and simple, unadulterated.
 
Resigned said:
If you accept the precept that moslems believe they are superior to infidels purely for the fact that they are moslems, there is a word for that attitude. It is called fascism. Defending the fascistic notion that moslems are deserving of rights not granted to non-moslems for no other reason than religious belief is fascism, pure and simple, unadulterated.
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Ironic then, that by issuing such blanket statements, you are the one who
ends up claiming superiority over Muslims... Muslims are not in any position
to claim anything. God determines superiority, and the only criteria He has
is to look at each man individually.
 
greymare said:
honey, i look stunning in anything.

and obviously sarcasm isnt your strong suit, eh?
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A bit of a hypocritical close there, greymare. First, I see a lot of "lol's" and a lot of snide remarks directed at me due to the audacity that I would question the motives for what passes as grown-up behavior. But some people seem to think they and their beliefs are somehow above reproach. There are those who definitely inspire some sarcasm, and that's not really a hard thing to pull out of me in these posts.
 
Resigned said:
I would question the motives for what passes as grown-up behavior.
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I thought all you did was to accuse all Muslims of being fascists?


Originally Posted by Resigned
If you accept the precept that moslems believe they are superior to infidels purely for the fact that they are moslems, there is a word for that attitude. It is called fascism.
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By the way, the word is spelled "Muslims".
 
some nice honest posts, thanks everyone.

and the thought police have not yet arrived, thank God for that :)
 
Resigned said:
If you accept the precept that moslems believe they are superior to infidels purely for the fact that they are moslems, there is a word for that attitude. It is called fascism. Defending the fascistic notion that moslems are deserving of rights not granted to non-moslems for no other reason than religious belief is fascism, pure and simple, unadulterated. [/FONT]
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Hi Resigned,

I don't know though. Certainly there are fascist elements in some strains of Islam, in some strains of Christianity, Judaism, Hindu, etc.... In some strains of the conservative Right in the US...in the ultra-liberal Left...

But that's a pretty broad brush you are using, isn't it?

And sorry I couldn't see it above, but what rights are Muslims saying they alone should have?
 
lunamoth said:
Hi Resigned,

I don't know though. Certainly there are fascist elements in some strains of Islam, in some strains of Christianity, Judaism, Hindu, etc.... In some strains of the conservative Right in the US...in the ultra-liberal Left...

But that's a pretty broad brush you are using, isn't it?

And sorry I couldn't see it above, but what rights are Muslims saying they alone should have?
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I don’t think it’s a broad brush stroke to point out the reality we see. Competing religious faiths are under siege in virtually every moslem majority nation we witness. These are the everyday people in the moslem world to whom we are told to afford "tolerance" and "cultural sensitivity." It's not just wild-eyed Islamic killers with Kalashnikovs and high explosives that we have to contend with, it's this intolerant mindset that is the solid underpinning that motivates and inspires this utter disregard for equal rights. It's just as much an ideological battle as a martial one.
 
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