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it is the source of our karma! i would contest that awareness has karmic associations, below i will paste a short description of how i think the mind works. once read if anyone can tell me how karma affects us, please feel free to do so. how does action become part of the soul/spirit? if i move this glass in front of me to one side, that has no effect on my soul only on my brain. when one dies nothing to do with the material is left, and along with that goes all our karmic natures ~ as they only affect the brain. simply put the material affects the material, our action only pertain to the material world in which they reside, the spirit remains free.
think about it, if the essence of the soul is not freedom then how do we have the ability of ‘detachement’! there has to be an element of us which can become detached, it is that very element which enters nirvana [or becomes one with it/itself].
snoopy
what is paranirvana?
nick
no one agrees with such a scenario when i use it to say why christ isnt the son of god [many planets in the universe etc].
why strive for the original self? it is not something that is difficult to obtain it is simply the base nature of all things and hence part of us already.
if fate were so cruel as to send us to an alien planet or realm where our earthly understanding and striving would mean little, then what is the point of all we do? secondly, what exactly is it that determines our fate! if you don’t believe in god/s then you are putting it all down to our own natures [as buddhism does], but those natures are part of the reality we live in, why be persecuted for what is natural. we don’t have control over our environment, we can but respond to it and that is exactly what our vehicle is built for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if anyone can show me how an action we take becomes part of our inner being then please do so!
_______here is a thread i done for another forum___________________
‘how i think the mind works’
here i will mull over the basics of how the brain works according to may thinkers today, however i have made many subtle adjustments to the way things are put forwards. atheists tend to make out that the mind is just completely material, they use ideas like the ‘administrator’ [see below] to explain what ‘you’ are in a materialisrtic sense. i have devides a few systems to break this down mainly by adding new elements into the mix, as i find that just by doing that we see that any description is not a description of you but functions of the mind. hopefully all will become clear, the clue to the answer btw is in the title.
the brain is composed of neurons each having a set of axon’s [a long nerve fiber that conducts away from the cell body of the neuron]. the neuron itself is sustained much like any other cell in your body, but it also reacts to electrical stimuli in a similar way to for example, how a balloon reacts to air being blown into it. now imagine that balloon as being like a rubber glove blown up with air; the axon’s have a neutral state similar to the fingers of the glove being limp. positive and negative charges will ‘inflate’ the fingers, whereby they touch forming the basic connections in a neural net.
the surface of this glove [both inside and out] has a positive and negative charge, with a neutral layer in-between. as the cell walls are relatively fluid and the chemicals can vary in polarity according to given stimuli, then each of the fingers [axons] may connect with those of another glove [neuron]. when this occurs it is called a neural net which is a synaps [the junction between two neurons [axon-to-dendrite [ short fiber that conducts toward the cell body of the neuron] or between a neuron and a muscle]], an electrical flow will exist between the two fingers of the glove [neurons].
this basically how our thoughts work! you get an idea in your mind and that will have corresponding locations, hence these locations are connected or disconnected according to your thought patterns. a change of mind will simply stop some fingers from touching others ~ disconnects some neurons in a neural net and connects other forming a new neural net.
the collection of all these hands and fingers touching each other may be thought of as the material self. within this we may add operatives which we can call the administrator and the narrator [just terms i would use].
the administrator may be seen as resultant of the accepted set of neural networks, the way the hands normally touch each other in a general sense, where some fingers are allowed to stray and some not. this allows the administrator to allow acceptable changes but not unacceptable ones, we do this all the time on an everyday basis.
the narrator is the voice of your subconscious, at least its interaction with the administrator, in a sense it is the storyteller within it tells you the things that you then think about, as if it is a story being read to you. you can use this feature in an inverted manner to read books watch films etc and generally interact with the environment.
with phobias and habits a single or set of neurons might be connected and thus activate a whole cluster of neurons in an amygdala [ noun: an almond-shaped neural structure in the anterior part of the temporal lobe of the cerebrum; intimately connected with the hypothalamus and the hippocampus and the cingulate gyrus; as part of the limbic system it plays an important role in motivation and emotional behavior ].
you can break connections that you deem as unacceptable, then you can break connections simply by not accepting them as true. in contradiction the administrator will consider them as the norm that it has been given for a long time and hence will try to continue said habit. as a practice you will need to repeat in child-like fashion your desired changes, repetition forces the administrator to eventually cave in and your neural nets will be changed forever. each time you think about an idea you will connect and disconnect neurons, you stop the fingers from touching, yet their polarities are determined by the entire set of connections hence will reform their original positions unless the connections are both continually broken and new connections set.
we may think of this as like a mexican wave of hands - if you will, where the overall electro-magnetic flux is trying to reset connections over and above individual connections.
in this way throughout our lives we form and reform our minds generally keeping to familiar themes built up in early infancy. if something dramatic causes a sudden change sometimes this can break some of the settings which the administrator has made, the danger here is that we could potentially get confused setting by which we do not exactly know what is right to smile at or how to behave. this is how by extension bad occurrences and environments create ‘bad’ people [confused or wrongly changed networks], or how we can act not according to our usual natures.
the narrator is also genetic [or resultant of], much of the thoughts brought forwards to our conscious epicentres, emanate directly from our genetic makeup ~ and that is by no means perfect!
_____________________________________
ok so all in all the brain is a vast and complex elecrical circuit, one which can be changed by thought alone. nowhere in electromagnetism is the nature of awareness, hence consciousness is composed of both the material [the brain] and the immaterial. whilst the mind is largely 90% of the brain, and we may associate ourselves with the administrator and the narrator [and any other persona’s of the brain], or both collectively, they are as it were, all functions of you. the brain can operate in a manner by itself, this is what we see [to some degree perhaps] in sleepwalkers. without the overall element of ‘you’ the human form would not survive unless all other forms were equally vacant. a purely mechanistic world like this would certainly not look anything like the one we live in.
well i am sure some of you will have many complaints with much of that, especially the latter part. i just wanted to portray my views, much of the above work originates from lectures and debates i have had. i may add that as yet no one has been able to answer the most basic question put forwards i.e. how is an electromagnetic circuit aware!_? so far i see nothing more than the mechanisms of the material form, which alone are no different to the computer before you [just a lot more complex and non binary].
it is the source of our karma! i would contest that awareness has karmic associations, below i will paste a short description of how i think the mind works. once read if anyone can tell me how karma affects us, please feel free to do so. how does action become part of the soul/spirit? if i move this glass in front of me to one side, that has no effect on my soul only on my brain. when one dies nothing to do with the material is left, and along with that goes all our karmic natures ~ as they only affect the brain. simply put the material affects the material, our action only pertain to the material world in which they reside, the spirit remains free.
think about it, if the essence of the soul is not freedom then how do we have the ability of ‘detachement’! there has to be an element of us which can become detached, it is that very element which enters nirvana [or becomes one with it/itself].
snoopy
what is paranirvana?
nick
no one agrees with such a scenario when i use it to say why christ isnt the son of god [many planets in the universe etc].
why strive for the original self? it is not something that is difficult to obtain it is simply the base nature of all things and hence part of us already.
if fate were so cruel as to send us to an alien planet or realm where our earthly understanding and striving would mean little, then what is the point of all we do? secondly, what exactly is it that determines our fate! if you don’t believe in god/s then you are putting it all down to our own natures [as buddhism does], but those natures are part of the reality we live in, why be persecuted for what is natural. we don’t have control over our environment, we can but respond to it and that is exactly what our vehicle is built for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if anyone can show me how an action we take becomes part of our inner being then please do so!
_______here is a thread i done for another forum___________________
‘how i think the mind works’
here i will mull over the basics of how the brain works according to may thinkers today, however i have made many subtle adjustments to the way things are put forwards. atheists tend to make out that the mind is just completely material, they use ideas like the ‘administrator’ [see below] to explain what ‘you’ are in a materialisrtic sense. i have devides a few systems to break this down mainly by adding new elements into the mix, as i find that just by doing that we see that any description is not a description of you but functions of the mind. hopefully all will become clear, the clue to the answer btw is in the title.
the brain is composed of neurons each having a set of axon’s [a long nerve fiber that conducts away from the cell body of the neuron]. the neuron itself is sustained much like any other cell in your body, but it also reacts to electrical stimuli in a similar way to for example, how a balloon reacts to air being blown into it. now imagine that balloon as being like a rubber glove blown up with air; the axon’s have a neutral state similar to the fingers of the glove being limp. positive and negative charges will ‘inflate’ the fingers, whereby they touch forming the basic connections in a neural net.
the surface of this glove [both inside and out] has a positive and negative charge, with a neutral layer in-between. as the cell walls are relatively fluid and the chemicals can vary in polarity according to given stimuli, then each of the fingers [axons] may connect with those of another glove [neuron]. when this occurs it is called a neural net which is a synaps [the junction between two neurons [axon-to-dendrite [ short fiber that conducts toward the cell body of the neuron] or between a neuron and a muscle]], an electrical flow will exist between the two fingers of the glove [neurons].
this basically how our thoughts work! you get an idea in your mind and that will have corresponding locations, hence these locations are connected or disconnected according to your thought patterns. a change of mind will simply stop some fingers from touching others ~ disconnects some neurons in a neural net and connects other forming a new neural net.
the collection of all these hands and fingers touching each other may be thought of as the material self. within this we may add operatives which we can call the administrator and the narrator [just terms i would use].
the administrator may be seen as resultant of the accepted set of neural networks, the way the hands normally touch each other in a general sense, where some fingers are allowed to stray and some not. this allows the administrator to allow acceptable changes but not unacceptable ones, we do this all the time on an everyday basis.
the narrator is the voice of your subconscious, at least its interaction with the administrator, in a sense it is the storyteller within it tells you the things that you then think about, as if it is a story being read to you. you can use this feature in an inverted manner to read books watch films etc and generally interact with the environment.
with phobias and habits a single or set of neurons might be connected and thus activate a whole cluster of neurons in an amygdala [ noun: an almond-shaped neural structure in the anterior part of the temporal lobe of the cerebrum; intimately connected with the hypothalamus and the hippocampus and the cingulate gyrus; as part of the limbic system it plays an important role in motivation and emotional behavior ].
you can break connections that you deem as unacceptable, then you can break connections simply by not accepting them as true. in contradiction the administrator will consider them as the norm that it has been given for a long time and hence will try to continue said habit. as a practice you will need to repeat in child-like fashion your desired changes, repetition forces the administrator to eventually cave in and your neural nets will be changed forever. each time you think about an idea you will connect and disconnect neurons, you stop the fingers from touching, yet their polarities are determined by the entire set of connections hence will reform their original positions unless the connections are both continually broken and new connections set.
we may think of this as like a mexican wave of hands - if you will, where the overall electro-magnetic flux is trying to reset connections over and above individual connections.
in this way throughout our lives we form and reform our minds generally keeping to familiar themes built up in early infancy. if something dramatic causes a sudden change sometimes this can break some of the settings which the administrator has made, the danger here is that we could potentially get confused setting by which we do not exactly know what is right to smile at or how to behave. this is how by extension bad occurrences and environments create ‘bad’ people [confused or wrongly changed networks], or how we can act not according to our usual natures.
the narrator is also genetic [or resultant of], much of the thoughts brought forwards to our conscious epicentres, emanate directly from our genetic makeup ~ and that is by no means perfect!
_____________________________________
ok so all in all the brain is a vast and complex elecrical circuit, one which can be changed by thought alone. nowhere in electromagnetism is the nature of awareness, hence consciousness is composed of both the material [the brain] and the immaterial. whilst the mind is largely 90% of the brain, and we may associate ourselves with the administrator and the narrator [and any other persona’s of the brain], or both collectively, they are as it were, all functions of you. the brain can operate in a manner by itself, this is what we see [to some degree perhaps] in sleepwalkers. without the overall element of ‘you’ the human form would not survive unless all other forms were equally vacant. a purely mechanistic world like this would certainly not look anything like the one we live in.
well i am sure some of you will have many complaints with much of that, especially the latter part. i just wanted to portray my views, much of the above work originates from lectures and debates i have had. i may add that as yet no one has been able to answer the most basic question put forwards i.e. how is an electromagnetic circuit aware!_? so far i see nothing more than the mechanisms of the material form, which alone are no different to the computer before you [just a lot more complex and non binary].
Nick the Pilot
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Z,
You said,
"...no one agrees with such a scenario when i use it to say why christ isnt the son of god [many planets in the universe etc]."
--> I do not understand what you are saying. I see no need to connect Christ to a discussion on nirvana. (I am not Christian, so I see no need to bring Christ into this discussion at all.)
"why strive for the original self?"
--> I do not see it as a striving for the original self. It is a striving for a more evolved form of the original self. A fifth-grader is not the same person they were, back when they were in fourth grade. There is a benefit to making progress along the path.
"...it is not something that is difficult to obtain it is simply the base nature of all things and hence part of us already."
--> I disagree. Our soon-to-be evolved self is not part of us now.
"if fate were so cruel as to send us to an alien planet or realm...."
--> It would not be cruelty, it would be an act of kindness.
"...where our earthly understanding and striving would mean little...."
--> Our earthly understanding and striving would mean a great deal there. We are on a Path, we are learning a lot on this Path, and the knowledge we are learning would be put to good use there.
"...then what is the point of all we do?"
--> To make progress along the path to nirvana, no matter where that progress occurs.
"secondly, what exactly is it that determines our fate!"
--> (1) our progress along the path, (2) the bad karma we burn off, and (3) the good karma we create. The more we slack off, the more we delay entry into nirvana. We have no one to blame but ourselves.
"if you don’t believe in god/s then you are putting it all down to our own natures [as buddhism does]...."
--> It is your nature to strive for nirvana, or be a slacker. The choice is yours.
"...why be persecuted for what is natural. we don’t have control over...."
--> Don't worry, karma compensates for all of that. Once you have burned off all of your bad karma, things will get a lot easier. I believe we all have tons of bad karma we still need to burn off.
"if anyone can show me how an action we take becomes part of our inner being then please do so!"
--> When we learn to be more calm, we end up, well, more calm. It is all about cause and effect. It is a perfectly logical system. That is why this system works so well, and makes so much sense.
You said,
"...no one agrees with such a scenario when i use it to say why christ isnt the son of god [many planets in the universe etc]."
--> I do not understand what you are saying. I see no need to connect Christ to a discussion on nirvana. (I am not Christian, so I see no need to bring Christ into this discussion at all.)
"why strive for the original self?"
--> I do not see it as a striving for the original self. It is a striving for a more evolved form of the original self. A fifth-grader is not the same person they were, back when they were in fourth grade. There is a benefit to making progress along the path.
"...it is not something that is difficult to obtain it is simply the base nature of all things and hence part of us already."
--> I disagree. Our soon-to-be evolved self is not part of us now.
"if fate were so cruel as to send us to an alien planet or realm...."
--> It would not be cruelty, it would be an act of kindness.
"...where our earthly understanding and striving would mean little...."
--> Our earthly understanding and striving would mean a great deal there. We are on a Path, we are learning a lot on this Path, and the knowledge we are learning would be put to good use there.
"...then what is the point of all we do?"
--> To make progress along the path to nirvana, no matter where that progress occurs.
"secondly, what exactly is it that determines our fate!"
--> (1) our progress along the path, (2) the bad karma we burn off, and (3) the good karma we create. The more we slack off, the more we delay entry into nirvana. We have no one to blame but ourselves.
"if you don’t believe in god/s then you are putting it all down to our own natures [as buddhism does]...."
--> It is your nature to strive for nirvana, or be a slacker. The choice is yours.
"...why be persecuted for what is natural. we don’t have control over...."
--> Don't worry, karma compensates for all of that. Once you have burned off all of your bad karma, things will get a lot easier. I believe we all have tons of bad karma we still need to burn off.
"if anyone can show me how an action we take becomes part of our inner being then please do so!"
--> When we learn to be more calm, we end up, well, more calm. It is all about cause and effect. It is a perfectly logical system. That is why this system works so well, and makes so much sense.
N
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Hi Z
no one agrees with such a scenario when i use it to say why christ isnt the son of god [many planets in the universe etc].
why strive for the original self? it is not something that is difficult to obtain it is simply the base nature of all things and hence part of us already.
I think you have it backwards.
Is the orignial self of a broken dish the dish itself or its broken parts? We are like the broken parts of a dish that seeks to become a dish again. As parts though, we don't understand what the united self, our origin, is.
no one agrees with such a scenario when i use it to say why christ isnt the son of god [many planets in the universe etc].
why strive for the original self? it is not something that is difficult to obtain it is simply the base nature of all things and hence part of us already.
I think you have it backwards.
Is the orignial self of a broken dish the dish itself or its broken parts? We are like the broken parts of a dish that seeks to become a dish again. As parts though, we don't understand what the united self, our origin, is.
_Z_
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nick the pilot
original self is infinite [0]. one may not advance beyond it, as it is in a sense, the beginning and the end.
i disagree, as it is, the most advance form of you already exists within you. worldly affairs turn our gaze in other [relevant] directions but it is still there. put it this way; when you reach your ultimate version/nature, would it be another person? when you learn a given thing let us say, of the fifth grade level, it is the fourth grader who has learned it! so all the time there is the truth within us, we cannot learn anything but by this.
i disagree, firstly nirvana or elysium would be the kinder act, certainly to be born into an environment in which we have 0 experience would be an unfair setback in the least. we may not be able to understand anything that is going on at all, we would have no instincts and innate traits on language or anything with which to understand the new world we have been thrown into.
and if the universe ended? if all the heavens collapsed? my original scenario would be intact. the point being that;
1. if our spiritual evolution and the way we act are determined by outside factors, then if a change in said factors changes the resultant outcome of our actions, then it follows that our actions are not primary, hence not at fault.
2. in short, the karmic effect would be determined completely by extraneous factors!
>define karma?_! i.e. as something that is part of the soul.
the cause is largely or most probably completely environmental, as such is extraneous to us. if there were none we could not learn from it. everything is there for a reason. secondly cause and effect of the material form, exist in and only in the material form.
nick a
i don’t believe we are a broken dish, the original self is the base nature, not the all nature ~ which is universal and infinite [hence is variable].
original self is infinite [0]. one may not advance beyond it, as it is in a sense, the beginning and the end.
i disagree, as it is, the most advance form of you already exists within you. worldly affairs turn our gaze in other [relevant] directions but it is still there. put it this way; when you reach your ultimate version/nature, would it be another person? when you learn a given thing let us say, of the fifth grade level, it is the fourth grader who has learned it! so all the time there is the truth within us, we cannot learn anything but by this.
i disagree, firstly nirvana or elysium would be the kinder act, certainly to be born into an environment in which we have 0 experience would be an unfair setback in the least. we may not be able to understand anything that is going on at all, we would have no instincts and innate traits on language or anything with which to understand the new world we have been thrown into.
and if the universe ended? if all the heavens collapsed? my original scenario would be intact. the point being that;
1. if our spiritual evolution and the way we act are determined by outside factors, then if a change in said factors changes the resultant outcome of our actions, then it follows that our actions are not primary, hence not at fault.
2. in short, the karmic effect would be determined completely by extraneous factors!
>define karma?_! i.e. as something that is part of the soul.
the cause is largely or most probably completely environmental, as such is extraneous to us. if there were none we could not learn from it. everything is there for a reason. secondly cause and effect of the material form, exist in and only in the material form.
nick a
i don’t believe we are a broken dish, the original self is the base nature, not the all nature ~ which is universal and infinite [hence is variable].
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hi
this thread reminds me of the film 'what the beep do we know?', one of the contributers a physicist called Goswami did a paper on quantum monistic idealism Physics within Nondual Consciousness
Author(s): Amit Goswami
Source: Philosophy East and West, Vol. 51, No. 4, Nondualism, Liberation, and Language: The
Infinity Foundation Lectures at Hawai'i, 1997-2000 (Oct., 2001), pp. 535-544
Published by: University of Hawai'i Press
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this thread reminds me of the film 'what the beep do we know?', one of the contributers a physicist called Goswami did a paper on quantum monistic idealism Physics within Nondual Consciousness
Author(s): Amit Goswami
Source: Philosophy East and West, Vol. 51, No. 4, Nondualism, Liberation, and Language: The
Infinity Foundation Lectures at Hawai'i, 1997-2000 (Oct., 2001), pp. 535-544
Published by: University of Hawai'i Press
Stable URL: JSTOR: An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie
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Z
This is like that old question as to which came first the chicken or the egg or as I prefer, the oak or the acorn.
Since I believe in Plato's world of forms where what we know of as things exist in potential, then naturally an oak is its original self or base nature.
Since I believe man is dual natured, having both an animal and spiritual origin, the animal part returns or devolves to its origin, dust to dust, and the budding spiritual part has the potential to evolve or return to its origin. Of course if you do not make that distinction it is natural to assume our base nature is purely animal.
This is like that old question as to which came first the chicken or the egg or as I prefer, the oak or the acorn.
Since I believe in Plato's world of forms where what we know of as things exist in potential, then naturally an oak is its original self or base nature.
Since I believe man is dual natured, having both an animal and spiritual origin, the animal part returns or devolves to its origin, dust to dust, and the budding spiritual part has the potential to evolve or return to its origin. Of course if you do not make that distinction it is natural to assume our base nature is purely animal.
_Z_
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nick a
would you say that the world of forms has purpose? i wonder if evolution is a way of bringing souls into being and developing them. so the question for me is not of going back to simplicity or our unmanifest form, but of ‘becoming’ [whatever that may be].
maybe we eventually end up in nirvana, but life's story must be told, in this we are simply actors, no need for karma as what is there is supposed to be there.
the subtle twist may be that we arrive at the end of our part in the great play, and thence find ways to become one with ‘the end’. in this karma is relevant [for those who find there way by it], i am just saying that actions do not touch the soul, karma is not a fascist monster trying controlling us, as we do have inner freedom, free will if you like. if we don’t have that inner freedom, then it is not our choice to become free of karma!
along with this i think we must have inner freedom that we can become detached at all.
would you say that the world of forms has purpose? i wonder if evolution is a way of bringing souls into being and developing them. so the question for me is not of going back to simplicity or our unmanifest form, but of ‘becoming’ [whatever that may be].
maybe we eventually end up in nirvana, but life's story must be told, in this we are simply actors, no need for karma as what is there is supposed to be there.
the subtle twist may be that we arrive at the end of our part in the great play, and thence find ways to become one with ‘the end’. in this karma is relevant [for those who find there way by it], i am just saying that actions do not touch the soul, karma is not a fascist monster trying controlling us, as we do have inner freedom, free will if you like. if we don’t have that inner freedom, then it is not our choice to become free of karma!
along with this i think we must have inner freedom that we can become detached at all.
from the Pali canon:
"Parinibbana [parinibbaana]: Total Unbinding; the complete cessation of the khandhas that occurs upon the death of an arahant."
A Glossary of Pali and Buddhist Terms
SN 6.15: Parinibbana Sutta
s.
Regarding my OP:
"The essence of the Buddha's teaching can be summed up in two principles: the Four Noble Truths and the Noble Eightfold Path."
- The Noble Eightfold Path
s.
"The essence of the Buddha's teaching can be summed up in two principles: the Four Noble Truths and the Noble Eightfold Path."
- The Noble Eightfold Path
s.
"Intention, I tell you, is kamma. Intending, one does kamma by way of body, speech, & intellect."
- Intentional action
I think the Buddha rejected the notion of an inherent abiding soul.
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the cause pre exists in the effect or the effect pre exists in the cause or is that an oxymoron
the cause pre exists in the effect or the effect pre exists in the cause or is that an oxymoron
“It is only when we look at life as a process moving through time that we can find the law that we call causation. It does not exist itself as an entity at this moment, and yet it is a true description of the process of events. The law of causation exists from one viewpoint and yet does not apply to this moment itself.”
(from the Preface)
“In the reality of the present moment, there is only unbroken and undivided wholeness. Actions neither emerge from conditions, nor are free from conditions. They are in the middle area, the present moment; bound by, and yet transcending causality. After the effect has manifested itself, the karma is gone.”
(from Chapter 17)
-Between Heaven and Earth - by Michael Eido Luetchford.
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snoopy
we all know that my freind. what i meant was; how does it stick to you, it is just an action it has no body or form etc. karma if anything is of the body, not the spirit. buddha can say what he wants he is just another Übermensch [wiki it], reality is not entirely composed of emptiness, there are other elements too. the soul is the body of the spirit, one which is malleable, both are empty as is the will, yet they are still something.
cause and effect are cause and effect, as yet we havent defined karma.
we all know that my freind. what i meant was; how does it stick to you, it is just an action it has no body or form etc. karma if anything is of the body, not the spirit. buddha can say what he wants he is just another Übermensch [wiki it], reality is not entirely composed of emptiness, there are other elements too. the soul is the body of the spirit, one which is malleable, both are empty as is the will, yet they are still something.
cause and effect are cause and effect, as yet we havent defined karma.
nativeastral
fluffy future
karma-fruits of past deeds, present actions the seeds of the fruit experienced in the future; punna or merit an auspicious act affecting karma [eg giving alms]. action -reaction a natural law? dunno but l certainly get instant karma at times and l know exactly why...my dogs called karma so l dont have to say bad karma lol!
I put the OP in the Buddhist forum in order to maintain the content to a Buddhist perspective. You may think there is such a thing as “soul”, as clearly do others, but from a Buddhist perspective my understanding is that there is no abiding entity which is called a soul. It would run entirely counter to the fundamentals of Buddhism (specifically Anatta). If someone would like to correct me on this understanding of the dharma then I am all ears.
Are "we" trying to create our own definition of karma? I have provided it from the Buddhist perspective - post 32 and hyperlink provides the Buddhist definition of karma from the Pali canon. For the Buddhist forum I think this is entirely appropriate.
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