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So, the people who've been here a while probably know most of this stuff. I'm a 45 year old man. I've never worked out in my life. I've worked hard my whole life, just never exercised. I smoked a pack of cigarettes a day for about 28 years. Two years ago this June my brother died suddenly of a heart attack. He was a couple of months short of his 45th birthday. He went home from my daughter's birthday party complaining of heartburn, told his wife to go on to bed, and died on the living room floor some time later that night.

As you might imagine this was a freak out for me. It seemed an obvious wake up call as well, so I went to see the doctor for the first check up in probably twenty years. I got the referral and went down for a stress test where they shot me up with radioactive stuff and scanned me, then ran my ass on a treadmill 'till I about dropped to see what kind of shape my heart was in. My cholesterol was a bit high, but otherwise I looked OK. So the Doc tells me, "you know, if you're serious about cutting your risk of a heart attack you could quit smoking since that's, like, the number one aggravating factor." I took the prescription for Chantix and left.

Eight months later, after my wallet with that prescription folded up in it had twice been run through the wash cycle by mistake so that the ink had soaked through to the other side and the folds in the paper had worn through, I sheepishly took it in to the supermarket pharmacy and asked the nice lady pharmacist if it was still good. It was, so I paid the $125 for a months supply and went home with my no smoky pills. I did quit eleven months ago the eleventh, and you can read about that journey a couple of threads down.

My family has a mixed history of both extraordinary longevity and congenital heart problems and diabetes. My Dad has aunts who've lived to 109 and 106. He himself is the youngest of six, the oldest of which is 92. But he had a sister who died at fourteen from congenital heart defects. Her twin, my aunt Margarete has type II diabetes, but she's, I don't know, at least 87. On my Mom's side, however, everyone dies by their early seventies of heart related ailments. So it's a crap shoot what kind of genes you get. My sister has had diabetes since she was five, and my only brother is now deceased. My Mother has the same sort of blood pressure and heart issues that killed her Mom at 72, she's 73 and fading fast, but my Dad is healthier than sh** at 79.

Anyway, so I quit smoking. But then I frickin" ate Detroit and one of the smaller Hawaiian Islands and gained twenty five pounds, all of it gut. I started seeing in the news that there is a statistical correlation between belly fat and cardiovascular health. I thought of my brother's big fat gut that I teased him about, and I started making a realistic assessment of my overall state of health. I was pretty dismayed by what I found. I was deeply in denial about just how wrung out I'd let myself become. I couldn't run two blocks. I still can't touch my toes. If you had seen me you'd think I was big, strong and healthy, but I wasn't.

I'd really like to live a long time. I got a late start- didn't marry until I was thirty three, and I have two girls ages six and eight. I have a lot to live for. Like I said, I quit smoking, that's a biggie, but I needed to start exercising. For one thing, the only way to burn abdominal fat, I've learned, is to do cardio. You make that old ticker work for it, keep you're heart rate above 70% of maximum for a certain period of time, and that's what burns fat. So I need a good cardiovascular exercise. But my knees aren't the best so jogging is out. I don't have time to go to a gym even if I could afford the membership. In fact, I can't cycle because I need to be at home to cover my Dad duties both in the morning early and after work.

I started thinking about buying either a treadmill, an elliptical trainer, or a stationary bike. The treadmill is great for cardio but it does nothing for your upper body, plus all that impact hurts my knees and beats the crap out of the equipment. The bikes are nice, but again, they do nothing for your upper body abs and back. The elliptical trainers seem to offer more of a whole body workout, but the ones I looked at seemed like a sort of stair climber with push-me-pull-you handles attached to give you something to hang on to. It didn't seem like they worked your core other than passively.

I wound up buying a rowing machine, also called an ergonometer. It's the only device I found which works all of your muscle groups and provides the aerobic and sustained cardio work out I wanted in a simple, no impact exercise.

I've been rowing for one month now. I've lost 15 pounds and two inches in my waist band while gaining an inch in my chest. My heart function is visibly improving. I've got to pull much harder now to get my heart rate up into the zone I want to sustain. Half my gut is gone, and I can see the tone coming back into my calves, quads, pecs, bi and triceps.

I was wondering if anyone else wants to talk about their personal fitness program and, or, the trials and tribulations of trying to get/stay fit in middle age and beyond?

Chris
 
well chris l still have to cut the tobacco since my lungs are struggling big time [though been told to start worrying when you cant cough up the gunge:eek:]. so would appreciate your take on that drug you took to help you quit.
fortunately l have always been active, could say too much so but that can bring its own worries. l garden for a living and get a lot of blisters, thorns etc and have basically developed arthritis now through repetitive strain stuff and injuries [using machinery,saws,tools in an less than careful way]; if l didnt smoke then work would be more of a 'breeze'. l've never liked machines cos they seem to be fun and necessary for a while then get folded away to gather dust under the bed- but good for you to lose pounds with such a contraption. personally for the 'aging body' things have to be a little less intense than that aerobic 'burn'. nothing bad about weight bearing, if fact its necessary [talking about bones and joints and synovial fluid and oestocytes]- but simply walking at least half and hour a day does that job. the best exercise is yoga and swimming cos it gently 'stretches' the muscles ligaments and loosens joints when you 'breathe' into them negating any concern of over doing it causing strains etc. l would swim every day if l lived in a warm climate, doing the front/back stroke would get rid of any belly! my folks have the heart/diabetes etc thing too- western diets have a lot to answer for, as well as general modern day living stress - oh the days of the horse and cart!:)
 
Hey, Chris, nice post. My mum recently warned that we have a history of heart problems in the 70's and that I should expect similar.

I'm 37 this year, but I smoke, and am already building up my will to quit - simple things such as not having one as soon as I wake up, and cutting down up to 30% on my normal intake already.

What's frightened me recently is a few things.

For one, I called up my old best friend from school a few weeks back. About 5 years ago his older brother had dropped dead suddenly in the pub. Unexplained sudden death syndrome. My friend had all sorts of checks to make sure his heart was fine, and seemed to come clear. When I called he told me that he's now on dialysis - his adrenaline gland misfired, and sent his heart rate up so high for too long that it burned out his kidneys. He used to go camping and climb the hills - now he has barely any energy and has to be in hospital every three days.

My dad and I are patching things up after he left the family 10 years ago. He always smoked, and now has something I'd never heard of before - which apparently most smokers get - Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD).

My nana died of emphysema.

I recently read in a Terry Pratchett book "There comes a time in every man's life when his six-pack becomes barrel". I always had a six pack but I'm slowly chubbing up. I want my six-pack back. >:

Many thanks on the recommendation of the rowing machine - been thinking of it, but from what you said, it's very much what I need. :)
 
yes, yes yes... a rowing machine is absolutely the best all over body workout.(oh and cardio)..
I however, get bored really easy with exercises, so I like to mix it a little.
Now, i dont exercise as rigourously as i probably should.. but in general, this is what I do..
once a week, I play indoor cricket.. (im not good, its only social, but its heaps of fun).
I have a boxing bag, that gets more use the crankier i get. ( but it only works for me, if I have my music pumping and Im in the mood. )
My son, before he left for the army , generously left his weights and benchpress (free weights) here, so Ive been doing a little of this and a little of that..(once again, i have to have the music up and pumping..)
then, i also do my own, taibo, dancing. stretching.. that i make up as i go along. This only happens with all the curtains closed and the music up..I dont want to scare the neighbours..
I also only have meals on the bread and butter plates, not the dinner plates.. it looks like a lot of food.. and i try to not eat infront of the tv. I like to sit at the table, with my son, talk and savour my meal. I find that if i watch tv while i eat, my mind doesnt realize that i have eaten and i still think i am hungry..
That bein said, my natural father is morbidley obese, and has all the health problems that goes along with that.. however my natural mother has been tiny her whole life, never had any health problems, still smokes a packet of smokes a day and drinks a bottle of whiskey a week. lol.

I have lost over 15kilos in the past year, due to this and other things in my life. I am not fit by any stretch of the imagination, but i am healthy.
oh, i also walk my dog,
Abi, most days..she is old, tho , so its only a gently stroll, not a long walk.
I wish you well, and it sounds like you are doing everything right.
 
oh, i should add, that i eat and drink everything i want, only little amounts tho. And, yes i know that we shuld drink lots of water, but i dont really like the taste of our water and Im too stingy to buy bottled water. LOL. so i always have a jug of cold water in the fridge with a few slices of lemon in it...(or orange).. it makes it palatable.
 
Absolutely GREAT stuff.

I also started late, had my kids when I was 36, moved from the working in the field as a carpenter to in front of a computer as a manager...metabolism changed and eating habits didn't and poured on the pounds... Agree with Grey, variety is the spice of life..do whatever you can and make it fun. With your age kids becoming a soccer coach etc. will be valuable. I know about the knees currently dealing with 40% ACL and torn miniscus using a cane cuts down on cardio...I like the rowing machine idea...a row boat or kayak would be more interesting to me though.

Kudos to all those quitting smoking. My children only had one Grandma. Two Grampas and one Grandma dead from smoking before they could remember them. That is the one thing that makes me want me to change habits...being able to play with my grandchildren.

Click on the 10 essentials and expand the descriptions...there is some good stuff there.

www.modifyhealth.com
 
oh, i should add, that i eat and drink everything i want, only little amounts tho. And, yes i know that we shuld drink lots of water, but i dont really like the taste of our water and Im too stingy to buy bottled water. LOL. so i always have a jug of cold water in the fridge with a few slices of lemon in it...(or orange).. it makes it palatable.


My mum does that.... lol I think it makes water taste bad :( Water normally has no taste. (well to me...) but then when she sticks a few slice of lemon in it... I cwy :( She doesn't have -real- milk either... Just some white water.... But that's a story for another day...
 
Could I also add, I know what it feels like, truly I do. When something so sudden, so devistating strikes, and strikes so close to you. It indeed makes you think. I went through a period of fear, ah ****... I'm next... I have to be next.... But, fact is it isn't as predictable as I think, people make it out to be.... And that isn't something I feel worth worrying about either. I had a gran who lived to 102.... She smoked, she drank... But, that played no effect on her life. Because she enjoyed life and stress was a word she would have no comprhension of....

I then have family members never smoked never drink or maybe a little, fitness freaks... They have sadly passed At alot younger ages. And the case close to me, my father, he drank... And I mean he really did drink..... Smoked, but not as much as when I was a child....

The doctors told us his condition had -nothing- to do with anything in his lifestyle. One day there at work... Bang... His main artery burst... Just ripped open. This should have killed him instantly... But being who he was that wasn't going to happen... He walked to a hospital and got air lifted from their to a better facility.

Que sera...sera.
 
quiting smoking is hard, I quit 4 years ago after 16 years of it.

I still have the odd one, probably about 2 rollies so far this year I like the nicotine.

walking is a great way to exercise :)
 
Hey Chris, great thread.

I'm 47 and as you know my girls are also six and eight, and I have a family history of heart disease on my dad's side. No extra longevity though. On my mom's side there is a lot of cancer, so I figure between the two the gene deck is stacked against me. :D

I've been fortunate in always being slender, but I was terribly out of shape for a number of years, especially once we had the girls. I have very high cholesterol, but overall my doctor's main advice to me was to start exercising. I took me a while, but last year I started on a 'mind-body-soul' discipline that has helped me a lot.

We have a treadmill, so I decided to start using that for my main cardio. I do not run because I don't want the knee and other problems (plus I hate running), but I manage to get an excellent cardio workout just walking fast (4 mph) at a big incline. I also vary the incline up and down because I've read that is better than one constant speed/incline. Anyway, I do 3 miles per workout at least three times a week.

In good weather I started biking and really love it. Colorado is great for bicycling and I've found to my surprise that I can do 20 miles if I have the time.

I also do fitness yoga and yoga-pilates classes twice a week for flexibility and strength. I should add some weight training of some sort, but I hate weights.

When I started I had no core strength whatsoever. Mostly thanks to the yoga and pilates I am now quite strong in my core, but I've never had a 'six-pack' tummy. :) In fact, one neg. side-effect of core strength in myself and most women I know is that my tummy sticks out a bit more now that it's fit!!
(And I won't start my rant about WHERE I first lose weight if ever I lose weight :D).

I've also added some other things to my life for better balance in mind and soul, but those are probably not for this thread.

Mark's death was a shock and I still miss his presence here. Amazing though that in a way he has given you this gift of intention about your health. Congrats on giving up the smoking and your overall progress in getting fit.
 
I can understand your worries, as I have a rather terrible family history (diabetes on both sides, cancer on both sides, heart disease, dementia [both parents]) and a not-so-good personal history (asthma, elevated cholesterol and weight "issues").

I personally like to "boogie down" (dance) and walking (not as much since I still have residual difficulties from injuring my ankles back in 2004) plus I'm mostly vegetarian. I belong to a group that has the easiest way to quit smoking - not starting. I also advocate helping out the non-human population if possible (my personal favorites are :kitty:s, but whatever floats your boat [walking dogs can be helpful in adding a bit of exercise, too]). :D

Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine
 
I managed to quit smoking a few years ago - though I restart about two years later.

After various attempts to quit, the only way I actually managed to was one time when I got a heavy respiratory cold and had trouble breathing - to the point where I could barely smoke a cigarette. So point one, I couldn't really smoke.

Pointer two was really focusing on the taste of the cigarette and noting just how foul it can taste. That way it breaks the mental reliance, and when tempted, you just remember that it doesn't taste nice anyway. I found leaving cigarettes out to dry helped make them taste worse, and even lighting a cigarette and then immediately putting it out - only to smoke it later - made it taste like an ashtray, not pleasant. Also smoking a few too close together had a similar distasteful effect.

I figure breaking the mental reliance by associating cigarettes with a bad taste was key.

Ironically, it was quitting smoking that started to harm me more in the short-term due to having no outlet for stress.

I moved to Scotland as a non-smoking teetotaller who didn;t even drink caffeine, and dropped all of those abstentions to manage stress.

Nowadays stress isn;t a problem - just quitting - so am focusing on the mental aspect and a measured withdrawal so it's not so much a shock.

I normally have a lithe youthful body, and a good six pack - after this Christmas, the belly is growing and it totally works against my self image. Need to exercise, and already doing little things such as drive the kids to school, then walk home - walk back to pick them up.

I figure discipline and a routine are important as well - probably rice cakes as well, for when the quit-smoking munchies strike and you needs snacks that aren't going to load you up.

A few thoughts...
 
I'm only 30, but I've already seen in the last few years the damage that is being caused among my friends... mostly from overwork and stress. I eat very healthy- I'm kind of forced into it from a variety of food allergies that basically chalk up to only organic stuff, and all cooked fresh. Feeling immediate and devastating pain from all manner of junk food certainly helps with the motivation to eat healthy. I never smoked- saw my grandmother have half a lung removed when I was a kid and it made a strong impression. Alcohol barely affects me- I guess it's the Irish genes coming through- so drinking never had much allure either. I sometimes have some wine or a dark beer with dinner- that's actually *good* for you. :) Maybe two or three times a year I'll drink a lot at a party, but it's a real rarity and started naturally ending as all of our friends had young children and "late night" got to be around 10 pm. LOL :rolleyes:

My big thing is that I overwork myself to death and am a stress case. I perform very well under stress, too, so it's the aggregate effects that catch up with me eventually. During the storm of impending deadlines or financial troubles or what have you, I'm cool as a cucumber and highly efficient. I just pay the price later.

Somehow I have the metabolism and bloodwork of a vegan marathon runner (according to the doc- and I am neither vegan nor a runner), so I never worried much about exercise. I've always been very active anyway (horseback riding, hiking, etc.). But lately, I've become more dedicated to cardio- not because I need it in the way most people do- it seems I don't. But because it's the only thing to burn off the stress and adrenalin. Five miles on an elliptical and I feel much better. I wish I could run outside, but bad knees run in my family and I'm trying to keep my ability to ride and hike forever. I'll have to look into rowing. I've been looking for a better workout for upper body strength ever since I stopped working in barns mucking out. I'm still trim, but I'm not "ripped" anymore through my back, arms, and abs the way I was when I mucked out a few hours a day. Nothing like shoveling horse manure (or dirt or whatever heavy) to build a lean, but very fit upper body. Once I get back to Cali, I actually intend to work for free at my barn just for the exercise. When I worked at barns, people asked me all the time who my trainer was since I had the lean but highly developed muscles it seems all women are after. I would laugh and say the secret was horse manure... :p

I do Pilates sometimes, but not as often as I should. I've always been able to maintain a fairly strong core and yet keep my stomach flat through horseback riding and consciously holding the muscles in and taught all day. I started slipping in my dedication to core strength during the time I was a tech writer, and while I weigh the same as before, my back hurts more often since I spent two years sitting. So I know I need more core work and also the stretching Pilates gives.

Just seeing the little bit of deterioration in how good I feel on a daily basis and how strong I am has made me very dedicated this year to improving and keeping optimal health, including more cardio and maintaining perfect posture with the abs held IN! LOL I knew I'd really gone downhill when I had my first dressage lesson in over a year earlier in 09 when I was down in California at my trainer's and she said- "What happened- your form sucks." LOL And then to feel that burn in my back and abs- I knew I'd gotten lazy and stopped holding my body correctly. My two-year stint in "sit-and-type-forever" land was enough to convince me that it is a very unhealthy lifestyle, and to be sure that I am more attentive to getting the high level of exercise I need to be low-stress and completely healthy.

And Grey- I dance around like a madwoman too, with the music way up. I have no dance training whatsoever. Music just makes me feel good and makes me want to MOVE. :) I don't lower the blinds currently, but since I'm on the 19th floor, I don't think anyone can see me. Unless they are zoomed in on my apt. from the Space Needle. Oh, well. Enjoy the show. LOL
 
I'm a veggie, so tend to have a good diet- I do though like cream, and sugar, and butter, but I also eat grains and fresh stuff, so am none too worried... As a woman I'm careful to make sure I get enough protein, I was occasionally anaemic as a younger veggie person, but now I'm more clued up...

I am beginning to get love handles, (should I admit that in an open forum..?) but generally I have been the same size and shape for most of my adult life, and I aim to stay that way for at least another ten years...

I am 5 foot 8, and weigh ten and a half stone... that makes me a size 10-12-14...depending on where you shop... I did spend some time as a younger gal starving myself and attained a size 8, but it did not last long- I am not built that way... I come from a long line of hardy Celts, and we are by design defined and strong- as a woman, now, I like being strong and healthy, and fast, etc, but as a youth in heels and short skirts I sometimes felt like a man in drag with my brilliant white flesh and my brawny, freckled arms...

u wanna get ripped quick? do Billy Blanks tae-Bo workouts- they destroy fat, and build muscle quickly... if you don't have some basic knowledge of, say, martial arts, or yoga, or if you already have dodgy back or knees, then best not go there as he doesn't usually work through the stances and you can hurt yourself, but for the quickest results these are the best home fitness cardio/kickboxing routines- at least, I think so...

I tend to work out at home using billy and his tae-bo madness, or I use dance tracks and make my own routines- they have to be really quick tempo, though, and I do- stretching, resistance stuff, and martial art moves... it works a treat, and my doctor tells me I have the heart of a sixteen year old boy (hopefully she didn't mean a fat one with spots who sits on the sofa)... I have low blood pressure, and I think this is a combination of genetics, a good heart, and low stress, so even though I smoke like a small furnace, as I sing a lot and exersise I hope to be able to maintain an acceptable level of lung health... although I am thinking about giving up... one day... just not right now... when I can no longer hit the high notes- then I'll give up...

I think that you shouldn't have an issue with food unless you're greedy or lazy... Eat what you like, but that means exersise more... eat a little less when your trousers become tight, and NEVER buy the next size up... unless one has a bun in the oven, or is sick and ill... otherwise, you slowly become fatter and fatter, and then you get a gastric bypass and can never enjoy food again!

my advice to u, OP'er, is this... you have dodgy knees- swimming would be good for you... you need to consciously lower that cholesterol level- eat less fat- especially animal or processed food type fats, giving up smoking really is a good idea for you- and well done for keeping it up... as you have already noticed, thinking about what you eat and exersising a little actually works... if you look after your heart and keep ur fat levels down you should probably pass on the family issues of diabetes and heart disease, etc, and I commend you on your sensible approach...

the current popular consensus in lowering cholesterol is... stay away from lard... not too much cream... adding more whole grains to your diet- bran, wheat, oats, is beneficial in helping to lower cholesterol, but I don't know if that's because once you've eaten 15 bowls of couscous you don't want cream cakes anymore...

I don't know what formula u use, but- 220 minus ur age... that's ur zone... aim to keep ur heart rate at around this level is reputedly maximum efficiency in fat burning terms... keep it there for 20 minutes- and maybe not for the full 20 minutes, say- 3x6.5 minutes in a session, or 2x10min sessions- do this 3 times a week, and you're laughing...

or so they say...

currently with the weather perking up; big blue sky, no clouds, bright sunlight warming my back, thinking about wearing less clothes as it heats up, I too am embarking on a mini quest to tone up a little- nothing too strenuous, of course, only want to shift a few pounds of fat, nothing too hardcore...
 
I'm only 30, but I've already seen in the last few years the damage that is being caused among my friends... mostly from overwork and stress. I eat very healthy- I'm kind of forced into it from a variety of food allergies that basically chalk up to only organic stuff, and all cooked fresh. Feeling immediate and devastating pain from all manner of junk food certainly helps with the motivation to eat healthy. I never smoked- saw my grandmother have half a lung removed when I was a kid and it made a strong impression. Alcohol barely affects me- I guess it's the Irish genes coming through- so drinking never had much allure either. I sometimes have some wine or a dark beer with dinner- that's actually *good* for you. :) Maybe two or three times a year I'll drink a lot at a party, but it's a real rarity and started naturally ending as all of our friends had young children and "late night" got to be around 10 pm. LOL :rolleyes:

My big thing is that I overwork myself to death and am a stress case. I perform very well under stress, too, so it's the aggregate effects that catch up with me eventually. During the storm of impending deadlines or financial troubles or what have you, I'm cool as a cucumber and highly efficient. I just pay the price later.

Somehow I have the metabolism and bloodwork of a vegan marathon runner (according to the doc- and I am neither vegan nor a runner), so I never worried much about exercise. I've always been very active anyway (horseback riding, hiking, etc.). But lately, I've become more dedicated to cardio- not because I need it in the way most people do- it seems I don't. But because it's the only thing to burn off the stress and adrenalin. Five miles on an elliptical and I feel much better. I wish I could run outside, but bad knees run in my family and I'm trying to keep my ability to ride and hike forever. I'll have to look into rowing. I've been looking for a better workout for upper body strength ever since I stopped working in barns mucking out. I'm still trim, but I'm not "ripped" anymore through my back, arms, and abs the way I was when I mucked out a few hours a day. Nothing like shoveling horse manure (or dirt or whatever heavy) to build a lean, but very fit upper body. Once I get back to Cali, I actually intend to work for free at my barn just for the exercise. When I worked at barns, people asked me all the time who my trainer was since I had the lean but highly developed muscles it seems all women are after. I would laugh and say the secret was horse manure... :p

I do Pilates sometimes, but not as often as I should. I've always been able to maintain a fairly strong core and yet keep my stomach flat through horseback riding and consciously holding the muscles in and taught all day. I started slipping in my dedication to core strength during the time I was a tech writer, and while I weigh the same as before, my back hurts more often since I spent two years sitting. So I know I need more core work and also the stretching Pilates gives.

Just seeing the little bit of deterioration in how good I feel on a daily basis and how strong I am has made me very dedicated this year to improving and keeping optimal health, including more cardio and maintaining perfect posture with the abs held IN! LOL I knew I'd really gone downhill when I had my first dressage lesson in over a year earlier in 09 when I was down in California at my trainer's and she said- "What happened- your form sucks." LOL And then to feel that burn in my back and abs- I knew I'd gotten lazy and stopped holding my body correctly. My two-year stint in "sit-and-type-forever" land was enough to convince me that it is a very unhealthy lifestyle, and to be sure that I am more attentive to getting the high level of exercise I need to be low-stress and completely healthy.

And Grey- I dance around like a madwoman too, with the music way up. I have no dance training whatsoever. Music just makes me feel good and makes me want to MOVE. :) I don't lower the blinds currently, but since I'm on the 19th floor, I don't think anyone can see me. Unless they are zoomed in on my apt. from the Space Needle. Oh, well. Enjoy the show. LOL
Path, 30 you say? Not only is my son older than you but my beard is too.:D earl
 
I recently read in a Terry Pratchett book "There comes a time in every man's life when his six-pack becomes barrel". I always had a six pack but I'm slowly chubbing up. I want my six-pack back. >:

I'd settle for a two pack!

Many thanks on the recommendation of the rowing machine - been thinking of it, but from what you said, it's very much what I need. :)

I bought one from these guys. http://www.concept2.co.uk/ I liked that you can still get parts for their oldest model machines. Also check out the rowing software that's available here. http://www.digitalrowing.com/

Chris
 
A six pack isn't a sign of health... and is as useless as tits on a bull..... I have one... Yet I am the most unhealthy person here I'd wager.... I'd rather be able to grow a beard... That would be awesome. I'd stoke it from dusk til dawn.
 
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