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[wil]

It would be useful if you could put something of equal value back in its place, but you never do. Your posts here serve only to unsettle or cast doubt on the faith of others, and provide nothing in return, having none to offer, which is why I confront you more than any other, especially when you present as 'fact' what all agree is only a thesis, and some of yours are more fragile and assumptive than the thesis they seek to undermine.

Namaste Thomas,

I'll gladly call you on that statement.

I've been tiptoeing, guess you've opened that door.

 

[wil]

Now this isn't meant to undermine or create consternation in this forum.

It is just that we often call out name calling or inciting when it is direct, and I'm perfectly happy to find out if the thoughts of Thomas are the thoughts of the crowd.

Now I know my beliefs disagree with others here, not to worry in my mind, we all have slight or major variations on belief.

But in many of my posts I try to tell everyone that this is my opinion, (IMO) my thought, my understanding.

I also felt while I have differences with many we also are often enough on agreement that we can discuss things.

I find it extraordinary that this paragraph provided indicates quite clearly otherwise.

 

[Netti-Netti]

I think the poll questions go well beyond the Bro. Thomas' issue.

Your posts here serve only to unsettle or cast doubt on the faith of others

But that could be helpful!

and provide nothing in return,

It's true - its easy to cast doubt and it is no substitute for developing an affirmative position.

 

[wil]

I think the poll questions go well beyond the Bro. Thomas' issue. But that could be helpful!

Namaste N-N,

I took everyone of them directly from his paragraph, sentence by sentence, in order.

Unless I'm mistaken.

 

[nativeastral]

sorry none of the options above apply to my thoughts on youre thoughts. l respect everyones opinion as l wish they do mine; sometimes catalysts are required as enzymes are in the body, where they themselves do not change. not saying youre not changing though [unless you are an enzyme] through these dialogues- you are not monologic nor diatribic so that counts for a lot in my book!

 

[path_of_one]

For what it's worth, my honest assessment is that you generally present your ideas as your opinions/ideas. I don't know that you talk about facts much at all, and I never felt that you present your opinions as facts. Not that you state "here is my opinion," but I suppose I have a general assumption that we're all stating opinions, since talking about God and spirituality is not exactly a precise science where fact can be established.

That said, I imagine you do cast doubt on many faiths, particularly through the disarming notion that everyone is equally right, or wrong (perhaps accurate and inaccurate would be better wording).

I think doubt is useful. It keeps us honest with ourselves.

 

[citizenzen]

I can't remember your posts.

Please sum them up for me.

Thanks.

 

[Joedjr]

Hi Wil,
These choices are all one sided. Where are the ones that balance these? I'd have to vote none of the above.

 

[bananabrain]

i don't understand the context. i'm sure i don't always agree with you but it seems to me that thomas is being overly harsh. without seeing the context i just don't know.

b'shalom

bananabrain

 

[GlorytoGod]

LOL, sorry Wil I couldn't help myself.

 

[wil]

LOL, sorry Wil I couldn't help myself.

I didn't post it so we could see...didja give me one of everything?

 

[GlorytoGod]

I didn't post it so we could see...didja give me one of everything?

yeah, only joking though

 

[iBrian]

present as 'fact' what all agree is only a thesis

I thought all faith was closer to thesis than fact?

And unless anybody here is claiming to be a higher spiritual authority to be obeyed, I'm not sure why any individual's opinion should be regarded as anything but that?

I seem to be missing context on this as well.

 

[17th Angel]

I am not voting cause I think you got to be a right sum'bitch to judge someone with no value..... But, again we see the trait of "some" questioning others values alot in religion.......

I just wanted to ask... How the hell can there be five 50%'s? that.... like... Don't add up.

 

[greymare]

LOL, geez Wil, you sure did tick somebody off. LOL.
I like all your posts. Whether i agree or not...
Perhaps i hang out too much in the Lounge and not the Serious forums?
I would hate to put a poll up to see how I rate..
Mate, it doesnt matter, I like you.

 

[wil]

Namaste All, and thanx.

Should have put an option in the polling, can't see how I can modify it now. GtG, thanx for all the votes!!

sorry none of the options above apply to my thoughts on youre thoughts.

thank you

you generally present your ideas as your opinions/ideas. ...That said, I imagine you do cast doubt on many faiths, particularly through the disarming notion that everyone is equally right, or wrong (perhaps accurate and inaccurate would be better wording).

I think doubt is useful. It keeps us honest with ourselves.

interesting point, and while I do see a percentage of truth and distortion in each religion I also perceive varying percentages, however I think if folks were to take the virtuous notions and follow them and not focus on the I'm right/your wrong/decieved notions we'd all find spirit and benefit.

I can't remember your posts.

Please sum them up for me.

Thanks.

sure, no problem... imo I believe and occasionally rotflmao. Anything else?

Hi Wil,
These choices are all one sided. Where are the ones that balance these? I'd have to vote none of the above.

Should have put that in, but I suppose that is an example of fragility of my posts Thomas was lambasting me for.

LOL, geez Wil, you sure did tick somebody off. LOL...I like you.

I like you to. And Thomas as well. I think I was a little over the top taking advantage of a moment where he was over the top.

My bad brother. I may just delete this thread.

 

[Dondi]

wil, to be honest, I find it hard sometimes to respond to you posts, simply because I don't know really where you are coming from. From your avatar, you seem to embrace the whole gamet of beliefs. I meant I admire that you seek the unity of all disciplines, but it doesn't tell me much about you. You are just vague enough that I often don't know what defines you or what you believe. Forinstance, in this post from the "Christians: Do you accept the supernatural and the miracles of the NT?" thread

I don't believe in the supernatural, I believe it is all natural.

I don't believe in miracles, I believe it is all a miracle.

these things and greater ye shall do...

I believe faith can move mountains, I believe it all can happen, I just don't know if it did.

But I also believe that you could do it as well.

Didn't the prophets say ye are G!ds?

Lastly there is so much more to the 'miracle' than the miracle. It is the story, the allegory, the underlying principle, the metaphor, the metaphysical aspect that I can utilize in my life today that intrigues me, not arguments over what did or did not happen in the past.

I'm ok with folks that believe it all, and those that believe none of it. I have issues with those that can't tolerate the other.

I'm still kinda scratching my head on this one.

It's not that I don't value your opinion. I quite liked what you said in the "Can We Bargain With God" Thread:

Namaste Dondi,

I don't think so. I think 'G!d's laws' were all set during the creation of the universe. We don't change them or G!d. Prayers, to me, make me move closer to G!d, closer to understanding and being within the laws. Prayers change my perception of reality, assist me in 'putting on the mind of Christ' as Paul indicates we should strive for.

Can we bargain with G!d, sure. Will we change G!d, no.

As in 'all our prayers are answered' and sometimes the answer is 'no'.

It's just I don't know your identity too well. You seem to have a slide-rule of faith. Ya know what I mean?

BTW, I didn't vote because I don't feel any of the options correctly describes what I see.

 

[lunamoth]

I doubt Thomas would agree with any of those comments out of context. I think it was probably said out of the heat of the moment.

I like you wil and (for better or worse ) you helped open up the Christianity forum in a way that I supported and was glad to see happen.

But I must admit I share some of Thomas' frustration with your negativity toward anything 'traditional.' There are a lot of people who share your views on this and well, it is what it is. :shrug: I just try to stay out of those conversations.

 

[wil]

It's just I don't know your identity too well. You seem to have a slide-rule of faith. Ya know what I mean?

Namaste Dondi and thank you for your response. We are close by we should spend some time together someday...

Slide-rule of faith. I like that. I'm not sure what you mean. I think you may mean that I'm a little wishy washy, however a slide rule, I actually take that as an incredible compliment. That I use a tool to look at faith that is a. incredibly accurate, b. multifunctional, c. can be used by anyone (without batteries) and d. when it comes down to nuance requires some interpolation by the user.

I doubt Thomas would agree with any of those comments out of context. ...

But I must admit I share some of Thomas' frustration with your negativity toward anything 'traditional.'

Namaste Luna,

Now I agree with the heat of the moment, but when you use words like never, always, only...you can't be taken out of context as you are not referring to any particular discussion but all discussion that I participated in. That is what I allowed to get my goat, again, I see the error in my ways and am debating whether to toss it all under the rug. But the discussion is good.

Negativity toward anything traditional?? I don't believe so, but I could be wrong. I do have issues with tradition that we now know are based on inaccuracies or outdated thought. ie it was tradition that blacks rode on the back of the bus and moved off the sidewalk and averted their eyes when white folks approached... I am opposed to that. In work situations I've heard the traditional 'well that's the way we've always done it' and thankfully we'll do it that way no longer.

And yes I have some issues with tradition like repeating the our father on infinitum where to me it is asked 'how' we should pray, not 'what' and I think the our father provides a very detailed 'how'. So if tradition has value, I can respect it, if it is just done because that is the way we always did it (the mother who cut the ends off the roast....) without knowing whether the why is still valid... sorry I've got no use for it.a That being said, if it floats someone elses boat to stand on their head and spit wooden nickels, I'm all for their own way of celebrating an growth. But if that same person wishes to tell me that it is the only way to enlightenment, I'll offer that they pound sand.

 

[Dondi]

Namaste Dondi and thank you for your response. We are close by we should spend some time together someday...

I'd like that. Perhaps lunch. I'm free every other Saturday.

Slide-rule of faith. I like that. I'm not sure what you mean. I think you may mean that I'm a little wishy washy, however a slide rule, I actually take that as an incredible compliment. That I use a tool to look at faith that is a. incredibly accurate, b. multifunctional, c. can be used by anyone (without batteries) and d. when it comes down to nuance requires some interpolation by the user

What are you today? Christian? Buddhist? Muslim? Jewish? Hindu? Christian-Buddhist? Jewish-Muslim? Can't we all just get along?

(ETA: I think there is a song in there somewhere)