One Year in Your Religion

You know what it is like having JW come to your house. Now picture people from every religion on the market invading your cupboard for the rest of your life, a different religion each year, telling you what to believe what not to believe, what to wear, what you can and can't do...and they all chant, this is the revelation and this is the truth.

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creepy thought.
well as a JEHOVAHS WITNESS:) as if you didnt know LOL ,

when i first started my study of the bible with Jehovahs witnesses , no one told mee what i had to believe, and no one told me what to wear, and no one told me what i can or cannot do, it was the bible and what it REALLY teaches that moved mee to make my mind over and transform myself .

and the morphing goes on , and just think instead of being a catapiller i might one day be a butterfly .


when that chrysalis starts to move there certainly is some transforming going on.

Quit being fashioned after this system of things, but be transformed by making your mind over, that you may prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.” (Romans 12:2)
 
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I think there are two general processes: the process of choosing a path, and then the process of actually walking a path. I think that reading, studying, visiting other churches/synagogues/temples/mosques/covens, and even trying out another religion for a year or more could be considered part of choosing a path. But I think that once you've found your path, you start the real work/journey. That's how it's been for me, anyway.

So from my perspective, whether you spend a full year as part of different religions would depend on what your goal is. If your goal is to have a series of interesting, informative, exciting, educational experiences, I think you will! If your goal is to take a step forward on a deeper journey to knowing yourself and the Divine, I don't know if you will one day look back on this exercise as a detour instead of a shortcut?

Those are just some thoughts -- thanks for raising this very interesting idea!
 
If your goal is to take a step forward on a deeper journey to knowing yourself and the Divine, I don't know if you will one day look back on this exercise as a detour instead of a shortcut?

I think it would be the rare person who wouldn't experience it as a detour.

On the other hand, it's the rare person to undertake the mission.

So it all works out in the end.
 
On the other hand, it's the rare person to undertake the mission.

So it all works out in the end.
Human beings' reach will always exceed their grasp. The key to accomplishing things in life and getting real satisfaction, I believe, is to make a larger goal manageable by breaking it down into doable subgoals. People who don't learn this basic skill eventually find themselves stuck in a more or less permanent state of grandiose self-preoccupation in which the person imagines him/herself attaining great things when actually they're accomplishing very little. Eventually the grandiose ideas give way to regrets about missed opportunities.
 
Human beings' reach will always exceed their grasp. The key to accomplishing things in life and getting real satisfaction, I believe, is to make a larger goal manageable by breaking it down into doable subgoals. People who don't learn this basic skill eventually find themselves stuck in a more or less permanent state of grandiose self-preoccupation in which the person imagines him/herself attaining great things when actually they're accomplishing very little. Eventually the grandiose ideas give way to regrets about missed opportunities.

I imagine myself experiencing a fair bit, but I've never been very geared toward thinking I was trying to accomplish anything at all. If anything, I try to cultivate a sense of aimlessness. Life is just worth living to me, that's all. I find other ways of living fascinating and enjoyable, and I find pondering the human condition interesting.

So, I don't know. I guess a lot of people have some idea that they will attempt to do great things? I question why anyone focuses on accomplishment when it's much more fun to focus on, well, fun.

Case in point- if I look at my doctorate as an accomplishment, I'd be very frustrated in the current job market, because it "buys" me very little. But I look at grad school and my research as a wonderful journey in life. I learned a lot about myself, the world around me, and got to experience a very different way of life for a year. I had a blast. I have some wonderful photos out of the deal and a lot of fond memories. I made some friends and had good conversation. I don't really see any of that as an accomplishment. I just followed through on an opportunity life and my imagination gave me to the best of my ability. While I hope to write up the findings in a way that share it with others, if all comes to naught, it was a great experience. I enjoyed grad school and research thoroughly.

I don't really see how life gets better than that.

I suspect this journey would be about the same. I'd have some questions to ponder and maybe I'd come out with something that I could share with others. But I don't really think any of it would be accomplishing anything, nor would that be the point. The point would be the experience, the personal growth itself. I find such personal social experiments very enjoyable. You could say that although my spiritual life is what I consider the most significant part of my life, it's also a favorite hobby. That is, I do such things out of sheer joy of it and out of satsifying a very curious and imaginative mind... not so much with a particular goal in mind, or indeed, as most people do in order to seek out a particular religion.

I guess I'm just odd that way. I tend to see the goal as letting go of goals. I find I can have questions and reasons for doing things without any expected outcome or goal in mind. The questions and reasons are just what prompt me to think up some sort of personal social experiment or to journal and philosophize or what have you. But the reason why I do things like this is because I find it makes for an entertaining, engaging life. A lot of people seem to find stuff rather daunting that I find really enjoyable, so I think most people tend to view my explorations in culture and religion as something that must be driven by certain goals. Whereas I have some general vague hope that my life experiences and my ideas might one day be useful, but that isn't the purpose. The purpose is just to challenge myself in ways that make my life entertaining, interesting, and new to me.

Religion is certainly tied to my spirituality, and as such is perhaps a "deeper" type of this experimentation, but it's not the only experiment I've ever dreamed up or followed through. I've held a number of different jobs by this point, am interested in traveling, and try out new hobbies regularly. I like new places, new people, new ideas. Quite frankly, I rather like being uncomfortable and having to figure things out. I enjoy challenges. There has been no greater sense of challenge and learning curve than my relationship with God, and I figure each of the religions has an interesting and unique way of approaching the spiritual life.

I wouldn't say any of that is accomplishment. It's just having fun and enjoying life in a way that doesn't seem to make sense to a lot of people. LOL In a similar vein, most people think learning languages, playing musical instruments, and so forth are accomplishments... and I just view all these sorts of things as interesting ways to pass time. So was my ten years of college. So is my job I have now. I guess to many people things that require hard work are, well, work. To me, hard work can be very enjoyable so long as I'm not bored while doing it. :)

I do have a sense of deeper purpose in life, but it's something I can accomplish every moment no matter where I am. So, all the external trappings seem to be unique ways to approach that deeper purpose...
 
Previously you wrote: "Since my profession is anthropological research, I figure I might as well do the thing properly and give the usual solid ethnographic year that is field-approved for participant observation, put serious work into understanding the beliefs and practices, history and so forth behind the religion, and dedicate serious time to the depth of it." (your post #36) To me this sounded like someone planning an involved study.

It is. But not one bound by science, anthropological or otherwise. Using the anthropological toolkit, as it were, doesn't mean that I'm bound to the entire anthropological approach, or more generally, the scientific approach. I suppose this could fit under the phenomenological approach, which has been used to some degree in anthropology (though mostly in European anthro). But I don't feel the need to justify an experiment that would involve my own life and is avowedly personal. At the same time, it seems to me to be foolish not to use the skills, ethical understandings, and so forth that I have acquired professionally to make this personal experiment as thorough and well-informed as possible.

It might help in avoiding personal bias.

I think that is a mistake in Western science- to assume the antithetical argument lacks bias. Atheism is as biased as any other way of approaching theism. One could say agnosticism is an approach that lacks personal bias, but to be honest I have never met a person who lacked bias altogether.

I think the more honest approach is to deeply reflect on one's biases and then acknowledge them, particularly in any kind of social science.

It's very hard to take on existing theories. They may be are easy to dispute a a theoretical level, but gathering replicable evidence that actually disconfirms the predictions made from a theory is very difficult. It usually takes a series of studies to rule out the possibility of negative results due to methodological flaws. Studies that report negative findings are usually not publishable because a scientific field is set up for the systematic confirmation and refinement of theories that most scientists can agree on. Scientists build on each others' work. The likelihood of someone coming along with something really innovative is very slim because of the fundamentally conservative way that science grows.

Yep, I agree. Which is why I am not particularly interested in pursuing this from a scientific approach.

All that said, at least in anthropology this is a little more open because of the inherent nature of the field. It is nearly impossible to replicate anything, so theory still tends to build on itself, but in a way that is not so dependent on the work from before. In some ways, it builds on itself through the anthropology of anthropology itself. That is, we learn over time of methodological flaws through turning a critical lens back on our own field and work rather than hoping research will reveal it, since culture change and the researcher's presence itself has effects that put replicability as suspect. In many regards, we are closer to astronomy than to chemistry. We have to build our science on observation, since we cannot experiment with society, past or present. Yet, unlike even astronomy, our presence impacts the observation...

I'm talking about the short term. Recognition in the field can be helpful in getting funding. Making a name for oneself is a major concern for many academics, especially if they're employed by a research university.

That's why I do other stuff as an academic. While this sort of journey could certainly inform the other stuff- give some ideas, give some venues and contacts for survey or interview work, etc.- it's not something you can write a series of brief academic articles about. And, quite frankly, it isn't something that I'd want to boil down into a few boring lines written for a limited audience. :eek:

For starters, having publications can be important to getting a job. I'm aware of some folks who landed positions who had 10+ publications before they even got out of graduate school. The decision to hire or to tenure a professor is rarely based only on numbers of publications. But if you don't have enough of them, you're at a disadvantage compared to folks that do have them. This is more an issue in an environment that's geared toward research grants. The ability to get grant money is highly dependent on publications, which is why promotions and tenure at a research university are directly influenced by number of publications.

Yes. I find it sad, in some ways, but all institutional systems are imperfect. There is no real universal proxy measure of the depth of one's contributions, so publications have to do.

However, I think the problem is that the academic journals encourage a style of writing that is inaccessible to the public, so much of science never gets anywhere in "real life." Which is all really too bad, since we use the public's money to do our work and ostensibly should be contributing something back to public education and life. Yet, there is real resistance in making any field transparent to the public, getting stuff out of the ivory tower and recognizing that what we do, as a whole in academia, is not so different from your average person's ponderings... we just learned to do it more self-critically and systematically.

Essentially, I am told I have to write boring articles and get grant money over time, and I know this. I was a grant writer for two years and am well used to constructing them. But to be honest, I found getting millions of dollars in grants to be not much excitement compared to really sharing my field's unique perspective with the public. I figure I will publish what I must, if I must, in the academic style. But my joy is in writing creatively for myself and for the public.

I am finding quite a bit of leeway if I play my cards right. Anthropology at least allows for quite a bit of creative license in ethnography, and there is no rule against publishing other stuff that is non-academic so long as you fulfill your academic obligations. So, I see it as just having to be more prolific than average. We'll see how it all works out, I suppose. If I fail at something, I'd much rather fail in being a good academic than in contributing something to society in general. And I am very much into art and see writing as art as well; I write a lot of prose and poetry as well as this sort of extensive journaling. If I had to pick and choose, I'd take the art of writing over academia.

Regarding research funds, maybe the project you have in mind does not call for them now. But you could easily decide to broaden the scope in a way that would require financial support.

I could, but then it'd ruin it for me. Having financial support means having some of my own artistic and creative license taken away. It means having to work within the limitations and goals of some or another institution. I'd rather keep the project separate from this sort of thing. If I absolutely had to go after support with a project like this, I'd go after private foundation funding. My experience has been they allow far more creative license on the part of the researcher. But I'd prefer to just do my own thing. There are other things I do that require grant funding, and I'd far prefer to keep my personal projects separate from those I do with grants.

It's quite possible that a funding agencies dont even look at grant aplications prepared by investigators who have fewer than thirty publications. They just put them in another stack.

It depends a lot on the grant and funding institution. But naturally I understand the need to publish if one is going to work at a research university. I just don't think my personal projects are what I want to public academically. I do other work that is far more amenable to the usual academic trajectory and that are far less demanding on my intellect, but somehow more valuable to most academics. I guess it works out nicely.

Unless you play the game, the tenure evaluation committee will get the impression that you don't value the game.

I don't value the game, though I do value the purpose behind it. All that said, not approaching every project in my life academically and writing about it academically does not mean I do not have other projects. I just pick and choose. I know a great deal about horseback riding, too, and have long pondered what it is to be human given my extensive experience with horses as other social mammals, but I don't consider that suitable for academic publication either. ;)

Young academics often have a hard time getting anything going because they initially move around before they get a permanent post. A project that may be personally interesting but has a low probability of yielding publishable articles could complicate matters. A book would give you only one byline. A series of articles might make more sense. Just some thoughts.

Thanks for the input, Netti! At this point, I have enough data from my dissertation fieldwork to keep me in articles for a long, long time. I also have an ethnography to put out later this year, and another book I am co-authoring on for 2010 on anthropology of religion (and no, it isn't like the stuff I write here- I'd like to think it is not exactly boring, but it is strictly academic).

I think what I am entertaining at this point is whether or not I want to devote a substantial amount of my life writing things in a style that doesn't appeal to me as a writer or artist. But then, I find academic writing far easier than creative writing, so it isn't like it takes up a ton of my time. The research takes a lot of time, but I enjoy that anyway. So far, I find that I can take much more extensive projects such as this one I am proposing- that are for me, personally- and section off some sub-set of the inquiry that works well with anthropology and do that "properly" and write the results up academically. It's just a matter of comparmentalization and approaching some small portion of a much larger interest of mine in the "correct" way given my field.
 
I suspect this journey would be about the same. I'd have some questions to ponder and maybe I'd come out with something that I could share with others. But I don't really think any of it would be accomplishing anything, nor would that be the point. The point would be the experience, the personal growth itself. I find such personal social experiments very enjoyable. You could say that although my spiritual life is what I consider the most significant part of my life, it's also a favorite hobby. That is, I do such things ... not so much with a particular goal in mind....

I guess I'm just odd that way. I tend to see the goal as letting go of goals.
Interesting and refreshing. Most young doctorates I've known are hardcore careerists and very goal oriented - always looking for new opportunities to publish and ensure tenure. They were quite self-conscious about it and compared it to basketball players getting a lifetime contract.
 
That's why I do other stuff as an academic. While this sort of journey could certainly inform the other stuff- give some ideas, give some venues and contacts for survey or interview work, etc.- it's not something you can write a series of brief academic articles about. And, quite frankly, it isn't something that I'd want to boil down into a few boring lines written for a limited audience.
Some highly technical research gets channeled into popular media outlets, so it may not be the mutually exclusive situation you describe.

Yes. I find it sad, in some ways, but all institutional systems are imperfect. There is no real universal proxy measure of the depth of one's contributions, so publications have to do.
I've never talked to a scientist who embarked on a long-term research project that didn't plan to publish it. They'd say it wasn't worth it unless they'd publish it. Besides, publication and dissemination of knowledge is part of what it is to do science.

If I fail at something, I'd much rather fail in being a good academic than in contributing something to society in general.
Publishing in a scientific journal may actually go farther than popular press because the work gets entered into data bases

But I'd prefer to just do my own thing.
I think most of us do. The trick is to have it count toward a desired career path.

it's not something you can write a series of brief academic articles about. And, quite frankly, it isn't something that I'd want to boil down into a few boring lines written for a limited audience. :eek:
The options are fairly limited. If you publish a article in a scientific journal, they pay for it. As I understand it, it is very hard to get anything published in a book form - unless you publish it yourself at your own expense or give it away on the Internets.
 
Interesting and refreshing. Most young doctorates I've known are hardcore careerists and very goal oriented - always looking for new opportunities to publish and ensure tenure. They were quite self-conscious about it and compared it to basketball players getting a lifetime contract.

Yes, I see this too. It's just not my gig. If I can be competitive while still having a rich life full of other things, great. If not, I will take living my life over career.

This all might be related to how I came to be an anthropologist in the first place. My overarching sense of purpose has been, since I was a little girl, to heal people in some way. To help alleviate suffering in some way. Anthropology gave a pretty broad toolkit for me to understand the causes of suffering and how people think about their world, and I figured it might assist.

But over time, I learned that healing others and myself is not a career. Sometimes, all that is needed is a kind word, a smile, a gentle touch. I can cultivate peace, joy, and love in myself and give that to others whether I'm a housekeeper or a horse trainer or an anthropologist. I hope that one day my writing brings someone some drive toward critical thought, some peace, some compassion for their fellow beings. But if not, I have already seen in my life that each of us is significant and makes a difference for someone... for one person at a time. That's what matters to me. I had a couple students that I helped avoid suicide, for example. If my entire 12 years of work so far in academia is only for meeting those two students and getting them some help they needed, then I am still totally content with it.

I see anything I choose to do, academic or career wise, as just part of my life's journey. So I choose things I take joy in. I briefly detoured into the career-first track, and was miserable. I can't figure out why people choose to live that way. I figure I do things that I love to do, and then have faith that somewhere along the way, I will meet up with people to whom I might be of some assistance in some way.

I certainly try to use my degrees to foster understanding, compassion, and tolerance in people. But I have recognized that this comes mostly through teaching- sometimes in college and sometimes in odd places with random people. And it only really works if I am also learning. Partly what makes me skeptical of a purpose in academic writing is its limited public impact and the rest is that it presents an expert view... it's necessarily one sided rather than invitational to all. I don't know if I'm expressing that concern well, but it's my best shot to describe my discomfort.
 
Some highly technical research gets channeled into popular media outlets, so it may not be the mutually exclusive situation you describe.

Perhaps not. I hope that my ethnography is decently interesting. But I don't see much technical research get taken up by the public in anthropology. One is expected to contribute to theoretical discourse, which most people find rather dry.

I've never talked to a scientist who embarked on a long-term research project that didn't plan to publish it. They'd say it wasn't worth it unless they'd publish it. Besides, publication and dissemination of knowledge is part of what it is to do science.

Yes, and I don't want to sound too jaded about science. I think it has its place, and I do find scientific inquiry and the process of building method and theory valuable. But I am skeptical as to its value in what I am trying to do with this personal project.

In terms of whether it's worth it... it might help to know that I have always been at least as into art and creative writing as I have been into science. I see this particular project as some union of the two, I suppose. But because of this, it is unsuitable for science. But it's still suitable for art. So I hope that it will yield something that I can give to others in creative writing or in art.

Publishing in a scientific journal may actually go farther than popular press because the work gets entered into data bases

I'm not sure what you mean. In anthropology, there is one cross-cultural ethnographic database, but it's still in its infancy in terms of how to use it to do ethnological work, building theory that spans multiple people's data. That said, many anthropologists are engaged in either activism of some sort or in writing for the public as well as for academic circles. I find it somewhat amusing the very different tone that comes out of each.

I think most of us do. The trick is to have it count toward a desired career path.

True, that.

The options are fairly limited. If you publish a article in a scientific journal, they pay for it. As I understand it, it is very hard to get anything published in a book form - unless you publish it yourself at your own expense or give it away on the Internets.

I'll see. I currently have two interested presses in my ethnography and the book on religion is unlikely to have problems in publication because the co-author has published at least half a dozen books at this point. In terms of popular presses, I have yet to see about this, but I'm not too concerned. I write for myself first and for publication second, so if nothing ever got published, I would not regret my time spent. I really enjoy writing- it's a way of expanding my thoughts and refining them over time. Poetry is my favorite, but I doubt I will ever publish any of my poetry. I have bits and pieces of several novels, too, but doubt I'll ever publish those either. It's fun anyway.
 
I had this crazy idea that it would be fun, exhilerating, exhausting, and stressful... but ultimately potentially very enlightening, to participate in each of the major religious systems for one year.

what's the state of play, PoO?

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Still considering the options... This will take a long time to plan if I decide to do it. I just moved, so currently I'm mostly just unpacking. LOL But still thinking it through... :)
 
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