Why is Christianity loosing the cultural war ?

wow, sol, the world according to you is just full of sinners. We really dont belong here. we are so bad. what should we do? Im a sinner, my children were all born out of wedlock, hell, I was born out of wedlock. come to think of it, so was my mother....
But you know what... we arent bad people, we do try to do a little bit of good in this world.... and YES i know for a fact that God loves me, and my children...so, tel me sol, who should I listen to... YOU or HIM?
 
greymare said:
wow, sol, the world according to you is just full of sinners. We really dont belong here. we are so bad. what should we do?
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I you read the New Testament, Jesus tells us clearly that we are all sinners, that we should repent and change our ways.

greymare said:
Im a sinner, my children were all born out of wedlock, hell, I was born out of wedlock. come to think of it, so was my mother....
But you know what... we arent bad people, we do try to do a little bit of good in this world.... and YES i know for a fact that God loves me, and my children...so, tel me sol, who should I listen to... YOU or HIM?
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God ,as a parent, loves all his children. I love my own children too and I wish for them to be better and grow.
I think a lot is based on our own expectations and also knowing God's expectations.
 
soleil10 said:
The statistics show that in terms of cultural decline like adultery, pornography, divorce, abortions etc Christians are not doing better than the rest of the society. Family breakdown is the # 1 symbol and corner stone of this devastating civilization decline. So called Same sex "marriages" are now the new stage of this cultural and spiritual war.

Many Christian leaders are alarmed by these trends and much efforts are made to strengthen marriage and protect life as sacred. Still when looking at the coming generation we can expect a further decline in Christian faith and values.

What may be the causes behind these trends? Of course, our spirits are affected by constant assaults from the secular and godless forces that are invading our environment on a daily basis but I also think that Christianity is missing a clear family theology of salvation that could resist and overcome these non-stop pressures that surround us. A clear family salvation theology is missing.

In Christianity, salvation is mostly an individual matter. We may go to heaven alone, not as a family. Marriage is limited to our time on earth and is not eternal. Our investment in loving our physical family and becoming one with our spouse seem to be temporary.

In Christian theology, Jesus did not have physical father. He did not marry. He had other siblings that thought he was crasy and who tried to restrain him. The most important symbol in Christianity is a single man, a bachelor crucified on a cross at Calvary. This is the image of the first Christian family coming out of the Christian interpretation of the scriptures.

The Apostle Paul recommends Christians not to marry if they can. For 1000 years priests in the Catholic church have lived a celibate life and are not allowed to marry. Quite often the image projected by Christian theology is that to be closer to God, a believer should become a monk and live a celibate life.

In the cultural war, Gay activits use all these facts and images to pretend that Jesus did not say that homosexuality is wrong. There is not a Jesus family to reject their claim.

The first family in Genesis became a dysfunctional family. The parents had to hide in shame and were kicked out of the Garden. The elder son killed his younger brother, etc...etc.

Jesus loved children but did not have a family that would have been an example that all his followers could model. Sanctity is mostly for single men and women who have rejected a family life model and followed the path of Jesus' sacrifice.

As a whole, Christianity is not projecting and teaching a clear hopeful theology of the family on earth and in heaven. The ideal is not represented by the family.

I think this is a major problem and a huge weakness.

I am curious of what your thoughts are on this issue
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Its because we are nearing the end of this worldly system of things
(mans rule over earth)


The apostles had asked for ‘the sign of Jesus’ presence and of the conclusion of the system of things.’ Jesus foretold wars, earthquakes, food shortages and persecution of Christians. He added: “Because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off.”—Matthew 24:3-12.
 
steadfast199 said:
Its because we are nearing the end of this worldly system of things (mans rule over earth)
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Here's another reason Christianity is losing the cultural war: people keep erroneously predicting the end of the world. It doesn't look good credibility-wise.

Jesus's teachings included predictions of the ending of an age. The first Christians fully expected this to happen in their lifetime. Two thousand years later Christians are still waiting... still predicting... still getting it wrong.

Isn't that God's way of telling you something?
 
soleil10 said:
Netti-Netti said:
I believe that the only real victory is the spiritualization of the human sphere through the influx of the Holy Spirit.
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Netti, could you explain what do you mean and how it would pratically transpire in the society ?
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I can't speak for Netti-Netti, but this what Jeremiah has to say about it:

BibleGateway.com - PassageLookup: Jer 31:27-34;

I especially like the first part of verse 34:
"No longer will one teach his neighbor or his brother, saying: Know the LORD, (G) for they will all know Me, from the least to the greatest of them"​
In other words, it doctrinal teachings will be obsolete when it happens, including your proposed "Christian" "family theology."
 
'Gayby boom': Children of gay couples speak out - CNN.com

It damages the children, says Dale O'Leary, author of "One Man, One Woman: A Catholics Guide to Defending Marriage." .....(and then too funny or sad you can write the book but...) O'Leary says she doesn't personally know any same-sex parents or their children. That's the problem, some children of same-sex children say. So many people are talking about them; not enough are talking to them, they say.

ten million children of homosexual or transgendered parents
 
I'm new here, and haven't read through the whole discussion on this topic, but I believe that Christians have lost their testimony (to a large degree) because they have "lost their first love" as stated in the letter to the Ephesions in Revelations. Most religious Christians are just going through the motions, or trying please God in their own efforts rather than sitting at the feet of Christ and looking to the Scripture for direction.

We (generally speaking) rely on our pastor/clergy to teach us, rather than being taught and led by the Spirit.

I believe that if the Church (all believers everywhere) were to "do the first works" mentioned in Revelation, then revival would happen. The first works, in my understanding is seeking Christ first, and *not seeking religious efforts.

If this were to happen, the family would strengthen, testimony would return. (IMO)

Well, in a nutshell, those are my thoughts.
 
Kimerk28 said:
The first works, in my understanding is seeking Christ first, and *not seeking religious efforts.
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Shouldn't the "first" works be feeding the hungry, tending the sick, etc.? If you would seek Christ, that is where you find him.
 
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