What do you consider sacred?

Shawn: Ground isn't just ground.... My "back yard" is filled with life.... Mighty oak tree's that have surpassed most humans.... Birds, insects, deers, fish... The grass the plants... There is more life than you could even imagine...
I should have been less brief and more clear then.
I see lots of pictures of so called "sacred places" which are just another patch of real estate, although very pretty and awe inspiring at times, but I have found great wonder in some of the most ordinary and mundane locations which most people would just walk on by, on their way to some "real special place".
Yet, every place is special and magical, if one finds the right perspective, and one need not do mushrooms first (although that is helpful at times).

So I am well aware of what you are saying, and agree.
Hope you get what I am meaning.
 
I consider bibles sacred. but Im sure thats no surprise! :p

I agree the Bible is an inspiring and sacred text.

FS says bibles plural, j123 says the Bible. It makes more sense to me to talk about the scripture as opposed to the book which is a commercial product as well as religious. Can something sacred be mass produced and sold as a commodity? Just askin'.
 
It makes more sense to me to talk about the scripture as opposed to the book which is a commercial product as well as religious. Can something sacred be mass produced and sold as a commodity? Just askin'.

Dunno. Surely since the advent of the printing press, and now the internet, there are a lot of (I would guess for practical purposes *all*) sacred texts are mass produced and sold as a commodity.

Walk into Barnes and Noble or take a casual look through Amazon...sure, there are various translations of the Bible. And Suttas, and Vedas, Bhagavad Gita, Quran, various Jewish commentaries and ancillary works, and even ancient texts no longer with much of a following like the Popul Vuh and Epic of Gilgamesh. Let us not forget our humanist friends with such pseudo-sacred texts as "Atlas Shrugged," and "the Fountainhead," "the Blind Watchmaker" and "the Selfish Gene." So I'm afraid your point is lost on me, I don't understand what you are getting at. Sacred texts are a commodity, and have been for centuries and will continue to be as long as there is currency. Just sayin', even in Buddha land.
 
Just sayin', even in Buddha land.

I completely agree. I remember hearing that there are more statues of Buddha than any other figure, but I would never call the vast majority "sacred". They are trinkets.

Likewise, it seems to me that while a few Bibles could be considered "sacred" I would not consider every Bible as such. They are just books.
 
I completely agree.

Likewise, it seems to me that while a few Bibles could be considered "sacred" I would not consider every Bible as such. They are just books.

Will wonders never cease, we find agreement once again.

I think like a college degree, it isn't the ink or the paper...it's what you do with it. The book itself is just that, a book. It is the message conveyed and the ethical lessons to be learned that make a Bible or any sacred text sacred. If a sacred text decorates a shelf, it is just a book. If it is read and the lessons put into practice, it becomes sacred. It would be superstitious to think any book is sacred just for being a particular book.

Can you ward off vampires with a Buddha statue? ;)
 
Anywhere which is isolated, secluded, deserted, solitary.....

Anywhere that hasn't been touched by mankind, Nature, the wild.... What is left of it.

As far from humanity as possible.

The more dense the population of man, the more I feel ill.

My spirituality seems to be nearly the precise opposite of yours on this issue. I find the sacred in human powers and potentials.

Even while walking alone in the forest, which I experience as peaceful, the forest is still sacred in relation to my experience of it. To put this another way, if humanity were to go extinct, there would be no experiences of nature of the sophisticated and sublime sort that human beings are capable of having, and this makes me feel sad.


eudaimonia,

Mark
 
"If mankind were to go extinct...." Nothing would notice nor care Euda. lol.... The world would thrive. Like in my previous post, my example of chernobyl but on a much greater scale. All traces of our existance would crumble and be consumed and covered by nature. Seriously, it wouldn't effect anything in any serious or large way though, Mankind is but a spec... Some real tiny insignificant lot, I know mankind has a real big ego, But to think mankind must be present for nature to be sublime and sophisticated lol.... Oh deary deary me......
 
"If mankind were to go extinct...." Nothing would notice nor care Euda. lol.... The world would thrive.

Not necessarily. For example, the Sun itself has been getting brighter and hotter naturally over the past few billion years, and this trend continues. In half a billion years or so, this could very well lead to climate and atmospheric changes that could end life on Earth for good, so that Earth would look just like its Martian brother. Human beings could be the means for extending the "lifespan" of the Earth's ecosystem.

http://www.newscientist.com/article...in-is-life-its-own-worst-enemy.html?full=true

But, of course, I was talking about human experiences of nature's sacredness, which would sadly come to an end if humanity were to go extinct. And I care about humanity. I'd like to see both humanity and humanity's nursery (the ecosystem) continue for a long time.


eudaimonia,

Mark
 
I meant bibles plural.. I would never abuse one ...I get very upset when I hear people abusing them burning them.. whatever. I dont care that they are mass market produced the words inside them are living to me.
 
I meant bibles plural.. I would never abuse one ...I get very upset when I hear people abusing them burning them.. whatever. I dont care that they are mass market produced the words inside them are living to me.

I can't say I've ever heard about anybody abusing/burning a Bible.

Is there a proper way to dispose of a Bible that is falling apart? (Like an American flag.)
 
I can't say I've ever heard about anybody abusing/burning a Bible.

Is there a proper way to dispose of a Bible that is falling apart? (Like an American flag.)

I dont know what other people do.. personally, I keep mine .. marked up and highlighted and full of notes that dont mean anything to anyone else besides me. All of them are personal.. like diaries and I can go through them and remember the journies I'd been on with each one. Discarding them would be like discarding a diary.

and there are people that burn bibles. :*(
One of my most precious possessions is the bible that my dad used while he was dying of cancer. I will go through it and read his highlighted verses and his notes in the margins and I feel very close to him.

I wouldnt even put the flag in the same catergory because the flag is not personal just something I show respect to for its symbolism.
 
I don't know if there is a proper protocol for disposing of old Bibles... interesting question. If you're in a Christian family, you invariably seem to end up with lots of Bibles. People give them to each other, you inherit some, you buy ones that are translations or with commentaries you particularly want. I have somewhere between 6 and 10, I can't remember. I clean out old Bibles that aren't personally meaningful or useful by donating them to local Christian bookstores or thrift stores, or just offering them to friends who are Christian and can use them in some way.

I don't see the point in burning books, but it doesn't particularly offend me that people do that. But it just seems wasteful when there are people who will like books another person no longer wants. I think Americans are far too much a culture that just throws away stuff they don't think is useful anymore. In most other parts of the world, our trash is considered useful for a long time yet. In general, I am for passing books I can't use any longer on to someone who can. And like FS, I find the old, worn-out Bibles from our old family members to be treasured possessions. They meant something to those people, and I feel good being care-takers for those items. I also lug around a bunch of other household goods that I don't really use or like that much, like glassware, that mean a lot because they were our grandparents' and it is the memory that we honor by bringing them out on special occasions.

That said, it isn't about the Bible in particular for me, but rather respect for things and what they mean to other people, as well as the work and resources that go into creating them. I have a collection of books on southern California ethnobotany, for example, from my long-time academic mentor. Even if I wasn't into ethnobotany (I am, but say I wasn't), I would still take care of them and cherish them because they are linked to who he is. One day, it is partly how I will remember him in a visceral way. For whatever reason, things that people loved and put their energy and attention into are linked to how I viscerally remember them- not events, but recalling how I felt in their presence. When I hold items of my grandfather's, I hear his laugh and feel his rough hand holding mine or his bear hug. Rather than remember an event with him, it is like I get a moment of being in his presence, even though he is gone. Because of this, things matter to me in that they are linked to people and I tend to reduce clutter by consuming new items very lightly rather than throwing out old items.
 
Books and bibles.... I had a thought when we were discussing Gideons. And how some hotels instead of bible in every room had the bible, the koran, the upanishads, the vedas, etc. behind the desk and available at the asking.

I was considering starting a group like the Gideons, but this is what we'd provide/encourage in hotel lobbies and attempt to make standard. A small library. Whether it is one bookshelf or ten... a library of used books... take one leave one, and an idea in every community that if you have books you want to get rid of, simply take them to the hotel... And while you are traveling you walk in, look thru the available books and take one to your room...didn't finish it? no worries take it home and take it to the next hotel and leave it when you are done.
 
Well, sorry to revert back to topic, but the most sacred place for me is inside my head, when I'm in my bed about to go to sleep, wrapped up in all my thoughts and with my imagination going crazy, randomly flitting about. When all of that clears away, and sleep is two steps away from taking me over, I feel that the silence in my head is sacred. I feel like my consciousness can expand and I can understand things that aren't possible normally.

Nature is sacred. The universe is sacred. People are a small part of the sacred whole.

Love is sacred.
 
I don't see the point in burning books...

I don't ever recall hearing of a Bible being burned. Could anybody provide an example?

Here, let me provide the one instance that I found searching "Bible burned" on Google News...

‘Kristallnacht’ at Homesh: Arabs Burned Holy Books by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu

Arabs raided the yeshiva of Homesh in Samaria on Wednesday and torched dozens of books of the Talmud and of the Five Books of Moses, leaving behind a pile of ashes. The arsonists ignored personal equipment, including beds, tables and chairs, and concentrated all their energies on Jewish texts.​

A search of the terms "Bible burning" came up with only one hit on Google News...


It is not a news story, but a posted commentary to a news story, and concerns unconfirmed allegations.
 
I wasn't saying Bibles are being burned, but rather just responding in general (as a hypothetical). I've never heard of people burning Bibles myself. The only books I hear of being burned on a regular basis are the "banned books" type thing when ultra-conservatives get upset about the corruption of young minds.

I was more broadly talking about Americans treating old books like trash and throwing them away. Books can generally be rebound and continue to be used, and one can read even if there are notes or highlighting. I am a big fan of reuse/recycle.
 
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