Worshipping of Grovelling ?

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I see a lot of people Grovelling to God at Church and mistaking it for Worship or am I confused ?

I am no longer comfortable with Grovelling to God so what is worship and how is different grovelling and how do they get mixed up if you think they do ?
 
GlorytoGod said:
I see a lot of people Grovelling to God at Church and mistaking it for Worship or am I confused ?
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I think you might be onto something here. But what do you consider groveling? What are people doing that fit that category?
 
Amen, G2G, like the beseeching prayer...some things we grow out of.

That being said, everyone is exactly where they need to be....
 
citizenzen said:
I think you might be onto something here. But what do you consider groveling? What are people doing that fit that category?
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to be honest I am not that clear on the distinction between grovelling and worship.

On Sunday I was at Church and sang a song with this in the Lyrics.

Find me at the cross, down on my knees
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its stuff like that, sounds like groveling, I will try and elaborate a bit, but not today,
 
GlorytoGod said:
to be honest I am not that clear on the distinction between grovelling and worship.

On Sunday I was at Church and sang a song with this in the Lyrics.

its stuff like that, sounds like groveling, I will try and elaborate a bit, but not today,
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Hmm...interesting question. The first instance of grovelling I can think of in the Bible:
Genesis 3:14
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Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
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Many traditions see prostration as a way to combat pride.
 
seattlegal said:
Hmm...interesting question. The first instance of grovelling I can think of in the Bible:
Genesis 3:14
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Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:​
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thats interesting, thanks for that.
 
seattlegal said:
Hmm...interesting question. The first instance of grovelling I can think of in the Bible:
Genesis 3:14
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Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
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Many traditions see prostration as a way to combat pride.
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It does explain something. I guess it could be proper then for one who feels cursed by G!d. As children of G!d though, I think we should all feel blessed and stand tall in grateful thanx.

I'm learning to do that whatever the situation, as all the lessons turn into blessings once I let them. Tis me that stands in the way of G!ds grace.
 
GlorytoGod said:
I see a lot of people Grovelling to God at Church and mistaking it for Worship or am I confused ?

I am no longer comfortable with Grovelling to God so what is worship and how is different grovelling and how do they get mixed up if you think they do ?
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Ezra 9:5 At the evening sacrifice I arose from my fasting; and having torn my garment and my robe, I fell on my knees and spread out my hands to the Lord my God. 6 And I said: "O my God, I am too ashamed and humiliated to lift up my face to You, my God; for our iniquities have risen higher than our heads, and our guilt has grown up to the heavens.

daniel 6:10 10 Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went home. And in his upper room, with his windows open toward Jerusalem, he knelt down on his knees three times that day, and prayed and gave thanks before his God, as was his custom since early days.

luke 5: 8 When Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus' knees, saying, "Depart from me, for I am a sinful man, O Lord!"

ephesians 3:14 For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ

Do not be afraid to get on your knees to the Lord. He is your King. May I suggest getting on a bible website and key in words like knees, Face down, kneel... and let scripture guide you and not other people that may offer un-scriptural advise. :)

all my scipture references were obtained through www.crosswalk.com
 
Faithfulservant said:
Ezra 9:5 At the evening sacrifice I arose from my fasting; and having torn my garment and my robe, I fell on my knees and spread out my hands to the Lord my God. 6 And I said: "O my God, I am too ashamed and humiliated to lift up my face to You, my God; for our iniquities have risen higher than our heads, and our guilt has grown up to the heavens.

daniel 6:10 10 Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went home. And in his upper room, with his windows open toward Jerusalem, he knelt down on his knees three times that day, and prayed and gave thanks before his God, as was his custom since early days.

luke 5: 8 When Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus' knees, saying, "Depart from me, for I am a sinful man, O Lord!"

ephesians 3:14 For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ

Do not be afraid to get on your knees to the Lord. He is your King. May I suggest getting on a bible website and key in words like knees, Face down, kneel... and let scripture guide you and not other people that may offer un-scriptural advise. :)

all my scipture references were obtained through www.crosswalk.com
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Its not about fear or about pride for me.

But lately I have been thinking of myself as the prodigal son and as a son and an heir and if thats true then there is no need for me prostrate my self.
 
GlorytoGod said:
Its not about fear or about pride for me.

But lately I have been thinking of myself as the prodigal son and as a son and an heir and if thats true then there is no need for me prostrate my self.
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You are on the right track.
God is not angry with you.
It is people who are angry with God.
 
GlorytoGod said:
But lately I have been thinking of myself as the prodigal son and as a son and an heir and if thats true then there is no need for me prostrate my self.
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Really?

The Parable is one about humility which, along with detachment, the ancients regarded as the highest virtue of them all ... today, it's just seen as weakness ... says a lot about today, in my book.

Thomas
 
maybe first ask yourself, how much of this "groveling" that maybe makes you feel uncomfortable has to do with you and what you are used to seeing as appropriate worship. Example, in some cultures it is common to sway back and forth, others lift their hands to heaven, others kneel down during service, others recite scripture over and over, and others cover their heads. Even within the same culture some may hold hands during communion and some may skip out of that due to being uncomfortable with touching strangers, some may cry while others hold back tears on purpose, some may shout phrases out to the Lord while others are quite and reserved. Not only is it different between countries, but there are differences between gender, classes, and ethnicities. So, maybe there are diverse ways of worshiping the Lord, and as humans we have to learn to deal with diversity.
 
GlorytoGod said:
Its not about fear or about pride for me.

But lately I have been thinking of myself as the prodigal son and as a son and an heir and if thats true then there is no need for me prostrate my self.
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psalm 95:6 Oh come, let us worship and bow down; Let us kneel before the Lord our Maker

I really think that you are putting on the flesh and thinking of this in the way of the world not thinking in Spirit. God gave us scriptures to tell us His will and Jesus was our example in practicing Gods will.

matthew 26:39 He went a little farther and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, "O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will."

If Jesus, THE Son (perfect and sinless ) humbled Himself and was obedient to the point of death.. who are you?

I can only say one more thing about this topic If you do not bow before God now... You certainly will later. Thats a truth. :)

phillipians 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father


all my scipture references were obtained through www.crosswalk.com
 
Namaste FS,

Of course the bible is not without references of glorifying G!d by raising your hands and looking up towards heaven.

But of course if we were to contemplate bowing or looking up toward heaven to G!d we wonder how this applies to direction...eg are the australians, or the chinese or the europeans, or the north americans or south americans....just who is looking up in the right direction and who is bowing correctly so as not to be showing their rear to G!d?

Jesus refered to the kingdom within, and the kingdom in our midst...of course to me direction doesn't matter, I can only look away from G!d by choice.
FS said:
I can only say one more thing about this topic If you do not bow before God now... You certainly will later. Thats a truth. :)
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honour and respect is ok, but crawling round on the floor grovelling is pathetic.

are we not sons and daughter of God, does God want us to grovel ?

I think that maybe some confuse honouring and worshipping with grovelling .
 
All of the bible references in the world will only show how people worshiped in that culture.

As to what God wants, who can say?

Do you feel more enlightened to it all, a better person, closer to God, more understanding of God, when you worship? Groveling or otherwise?

I'd say look to what gives you that inspiration, raises the veil as it were. If you feel divine inspiration and an acceptance of God and his creation whilst running stark naked through a mall, have at it. (though you may find it difficult)

It's all about what works for you. Groveling works for some. Not others. It's all relative.
 
Groveling makes the groveler feel good about himself for making the display. That is the difference
 
Let me tell all of you something. I am a man of means. I am an officer in the military, the most powerful military force on earth. My uniform is ironed crisp and not designed for crawling around the floor, nor is my demeanor.

But...I bend my knee in deference to God, and I don't care what happens to my dress blues or my whites, just because they happen to come in contact with the ground...that isn't groveling. It is simply respect, where respect is due. That, is worshipping God.

I will tell you another thing. David, the most powerful of kings, went before the Lord, dancing and leaping in wild abandon...such was his happiness to be in the presence of the Lord... and he, was worshipping God...

something to think about. :eek:
 
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