Knights of Liberty

[sunofmysoul]

James - I was trying to apologize and leave this thread quietly, but you obviously want to continue this discussion, so I will try one last time.

What I am saying is that your OP and your others on this thread are naive. That does not mean you are a bad person, just naive. I gave you a variety of examples of how your approach is too simplistic and in some cases wrong.

The reason I thought you were a high school student is because your approach is sophomoric. DrumR has done more to make your argument for you than you have done yourself. Perhaps you should make him your leader and all follow him. DrumR can articulate a clear vision.

Bringing your friend Tigger here is not going to win the argument either. It is another weak example of blind reliance on comradeship. But it proves again that it is ideas that win the case not blind loyalty. Two weak arguments are no stronger than one.

Also, I am not going to try to build your case for you. If you are unable to do it, just pack it in and go back to the drawing board. Come back when you have some new ideas.

Finally, if you cannot take some criticism when you claim that your goal is to create a better world, you might as well pack it in right now. It takes guts and wisdom to create a better world, not loud hornblowing.

hello Avi..(and all)
I am a friend of Gatekeepers...(and the female with the idea of "knights"...)

I completely realize that this idea, comes off as "naive", and or
"impossible" at best...
but, irregardless, we intend to do something.

I first started a group on facebook, called "speaking up against the hate".

And it was initially to take a stand against all those who "use" the freedom of speech, to "hate" others. And in the wondering HOW, can we best take a stand against that which rather keeps us from evolving in our humanness, and keeps us held down in bigotry and ignorance, many in the group felt we could combat such things best by love.
The question comes of course HOW? How do we combat hate, evil , bigotry, injustice etc....

out of that ideas began to sprout and thoughts began to come together.
Idealist we may be, but every great venture begins in such a way...
a dream...

sometimes we forget, that all big things start small.
That if one keeps shoveling, you WILL get to the bottom...
that one drop of rain, is a part of a larger ocean.

It is easy to think that one small thing may not make a difference,
it is not worth the effort..but that is not true.
Each act of kindness is but a beginning.

This quote from Dean Koontz book "From the corner of His Eye"
says it better than i ever could....


Not one day in anyone’s life is an uneventful day, no day without profound meaning, no matter how dull and boring it might seem, no matter whether you are a seamstress or a queen, a shoeshine boy, or a movie star, a renowned philosopher or a Down’s-syndrome child. Because in every day of your life, there are opportunities to perform little kindnesses for others, both by conscious acts of will and unconscious example. Each smallest act of kindness—even just words of hope when they are needed, the remembrance of a birthday, a compliment that engenders a smile—reverberates across great distances and spans of time, affecting lives unknown to the one whose generous spirit was the source of this good echo, because kindness is passed on and grows each time it’s passed, until a simple courtesy becomes an act of selfless courage years later and far away. Likewise, each small meanness, each thoughtless expression of hatred, each envious and bitter act, regardless of how petty, can inspire others, and is therefore the seed that ultimately produces evil fruit, poisoning people whom you have never met and never will. All human lives are so profoundly and intricately entwined—those dead, those living, those generations yet to come—that the fate of all is the fate of each, and the hope of humanity rests in every heart and in every pair of hands. Therefore, after every failure, we are obliged to strive again for success, and when faced with the end of one thing, we must build something new and better in the ashes, just as from pain and grief, we must weave hope, for each of us is a thread critical to the strength—to the very survival of the human tapestry. Every hour in every life contains such often-unrecognized potential to affect the world that the great days and thrilling possibilities are combined always in this momentous day.




this video is of a fav movie of mine with the same idea...
we can make a change..we can be a light in the small corner of our world, and that light can grow...

YouTube - Pay it Forward - The Power of Three

with love,
soms

 

[sunofmysoul]

Re: Why you want to make this about me I don't know

Good response James. This is the best idea that you have put forward so far. I think you should include these ideas in you organizational description. It makes your organization seem more "real".

agreed

I still think you are getting ahead of yourself. I believe you need to focus more on content and less on process at the early stages of the work, which is where you are. In my view, you still have not defined your goals and objectives clearly.

I think james is really wanting to get ideas, and i feel his openness to criticism from this thread shows that he is looking for suggestions, and
wanting to see how to make it better. It began with, what are your thoughts? and a willingness to change each thing that was specifically addressed....

in this group, we would like to
include all faiths, and even atheist/agnostics who are prepared to harmonize against evil, wherever it may be found...

evolving into action, of defeating evil, and hate, through love, and light...and taking a stand wherever and whenever we must...!

I think one has to evaluate each evil, in its form to come up with a battle plan.
I once thought pacifism was the only way, (after watching Rambo's latest it rather set me back and cause me to reexamine this..)
I was thinking for instance, take racism, or any ism...
It must be battled with education...(any from of ignorance must be..)

hunger? battled with food, and knowledge of how to grow or produce more food, (for some remote areas)

some things will be less easily decided, such as how do we combat
religion zeal-est, who are willing to blow others up for eternal glories?

each "evil" we need its own battle plan...
and battling it with good would of course need us to define good...
and the question of does the end justify the means?

I think though, without getting into too many questionable methods,
There is enough we can do, in our own small corner....to stand against evil...
and I think if we can join together reaching over boundaries of belief, theology, doctrine, non belief,... we can take a higher step then has yet been taken in mankind...(embracing a university in diversity) and an ability
to stand together on common ground: that of resisting evil...

the group itself can work to decide what specific evils (as we run into them) we can pursue more aggressively...

using whatever talent, and resources we have amongst us...

and formulate a plan or plan of action for each project we choose.




soms

 

[Gatekeeper]

Evil is such a broad and undefined term, so perhaps it would be best to define evil. I myself think anything that might cause harm to others would classify as such. Hunger, addiction, poverty, violence, racism, hatred, etc. would be a few "evils" that we as a group can attempt to counter in time. But, these are lofty goals and not as easy as one man coming up with a solution. It will take many minds and many people dedicated to helping.

I rewrote my spill and reworded the code. It still needs work I'm sure, but that is exactly what I'm here for - To get help.

"To love one another isn't just a call to love others in heart, but it is a call to take action as well. Our calling in life is one of perseverance. It is my personal belief that we exist on this earth for the sole purpose of making it a better place for all people. This group is designed to help us organize and unify our efforts for this very goal. By working together, we can help those who need it most. By doing so, we will ultimately help change our world (One person at a time).

Members of our council and regular members alike will be able to discuss various methods and strategies to help us reach those who are desperately in need of help. We will locate community outreach services and post them as events, where you can then volunteer in your community. We will (In time) organize our own efforts and reach out to those in need by offering our own unique services, which are to be decided.

Some simple yet helpful strategies that most of us can do now, include volunteer work at soup kitchens, donating to goodwill and to the salvation army, and befriending those whom are less fortunate than we are, lending them ongoing support and encouragement.

Here at “Insert Name” you can connect with others who are like minded, and share in our vision to make a positive difference in the lives of others."

To Become a Member (Requirements)

To become a member of “Insert Name” you need to have a genuine care and concern for the well being of others and the world we live in. You will need to be bold and courageous enough to go into the world, reaching out to the wounded in heart. You will need to be willing to help those (At your own capacity) whom need help the most, despite their personal character. We also encourage our members to live in accordance to "Insert Name"' code of ethics.

Code of Ethics

1) To be honorable and trustworthy.

(Live for freedom, justice, equality, and that which is right - Exhibit self discipline by avoiding deceit and by maintaining one's principles. Never abandon this noble cause, and never betray one's friendships; keep one's word of honor).

2) To be courageous and compassionate.

(Combat calamities with determination, goodness and love for the inflicted; help the weak and innocent when opportunity presents itself).

 

[17th Angel]

Respect the authority? LOL.

You can't make progress/change without Removing (yes remove... Vanish... Dissapear....) those whom attempt to keep it how it is and even make it become more inclined to how things are.... I can get you weapons... Seriously... lol. Get some rifles... Reach out and touch someone


JIHAD!

-EDIT-

Ah fudge nuts... Somone already commented on the respect authority bit :/ I feel like a tit.

 

[Gatekeeper]

Project J.E.S.U.S

We ditched the requirements. If someone is interested in making a positive change in the world, then why complicate things by placing requirements on membership? It is no longer called Knights of Liberty, either. It is now called Project J.E.S.U.S, which stands for Project Justice, Equality, Service, Unity, Strength.

If someone has a hang up over the name, and refuses to join the group because of, then so be. If they are truly interested in making a difference, they can do so w/o belonging to a group on facebook.

The defined goal of the group is simple .... To help make a difference in the lives of others. For now, the group is for basic discussion and meant to be used to encourage our members (Website coming in the next several months).

We have posted links to relevant sites where you can find outreach services in your own community and then volunteer. We also have a very useful community toolbar that you can download for free (Search powered by Google).

We are not a solely Christian group, but the Christian principles shared among other religions are common theme. Far too many want to sit idle and do nothing. Life has become all about them, and nothing of those they share the world with.

We each 'should' [IMO] pursue goodness with all our being, and share our blessings (Making increase) with and in others. This is not only our reasonable 'duty', but it should also be an 'honor'.

Jesus said that He was the light of the world. As I read scripture and learn more about Him, I am coming to understand more and more about what He meant about being the light....

He healed the sick, befriended the the needy and led them to liberty; He gave sight to the blind and even brought the dead back to life. His miracles were reflections of what we ourselves can and should do.

We can help heal the wounded in heart through care and compassion; we can help lead those who are bound by vice to understand the liberty in virtue. We can help give vision to those who have none, and we can help put life back in those who have lost the will to live ... By acting on our love, care, and concern for those we share our world with, lives will change.

"In Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love." Gal 5:5-6 (KJV)

"Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."

"As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men ....

Brian, I'm gonna post a couple links ... If this is against the rules, then I won't be too terribly sore at you for deleting them, lol. If anyone here is interested in joining us, please do so. We only have 41 members so far, but we are adding new members daily. Also, if you would like to be an administrator or officer of the group, let us know and we'll try to accommodate.

Project J.E.S.U.S

Project J.E.S.U.S Toolbar


James aka "GateKeeper"

 

[Avi]

Re: Project J.E.S.U.S

James, it looks like you have now found your voice !!

Congrats !!

 

[Gatekeeper]

Thank you Avi ... You helped a great deal whether you realize it or not. I've been working on the project off and on since I first posted the idea here. It's coming along slowly but surely. I have had a few friends join, and they have had a few of their friends join, and so it goes ....

Thank, Avi ... I hope this proves to be a successful endeavor ...

James