The Sun, the Moon, and the Stars are 3 forms of government

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dan b

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To understand the Bible's inner message, the Sun and Moon are the primaries. The Moon is the written "Law of Justice." It is Moses's "eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth." Ex.21;24 At the end of each day's creation in Genesis it says "and the evening and the morning was the ...day." Gen.1;5 Although this described time-period is the period of darkness they take it for the light. This is the Moon's light under which people live before the arrival of Christianity.(The Sun) the people following the law of Justice continue even through the 6th day to take the night for daytime. Their light is Moses instead of Jesus.
With the Suns arrival on the 4th day people were then able to choose which light they followed and lived their lives under. The brighter light of the Sun(Christianity) was much more dazzling. But some people still continued to bow their backs, squint their eyes and carry on still under the light of the moon.
They didn't hear the sheppard's voice. Jn.10;3 The Christian people who now live under the Sun have the law of justice inside themselves instead of following a strict mercyless law written in stone. They have it in their hearts and minds. Jer.31;33 Heb.8;10 The Stars were the Prophets that brought us little twinklings of light that also helped our understanding.

"There is one glory of the Sun, and another glory of the Moon, and another glory of the Stars;" 1 Cor.15;41
 
Namaste danb,

You never disappoint.

So the moon light was before sunlight despite it being a reflection of the sun?

And you are relating the Son to the Sun?

And you know an eye for an eye was not the law but the maximum sentence...ie the punishment cannot exceed the crime...the punishment does not always have to be equal to the crime but it cannot exceed it.

You think we are governed by astrology (sun, moon, stars) today?
 
17th Angel said:
Stay in that sun light too long, you'll get skin cancers :)
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17th, now who is the one teasing people? Its you, as usual. Of course the meaning of Genesis is clear. It says "The sun to rule the day and the moon and stars to rule the night" by which we know that there is no such thing as vampires. Of course they'd burn up under the sun, moon or stars and not just the sun; so they are clearly fables. Every question was provided for ahead of time as anyone, even you, can see.
 
dan b said:
The Moon is the written "Law of Justice." It is Moses's "eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth."
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in fact, this law is about monetary compensation and the *value* of the damage sustained - not justice, but restitution.

the people following the law of Justice continue even through the 6th day to take the night for daytime. Their light is Moses instead of Jesus.
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you know, i don't care for your tone. our light is the Torah of G!D - jesus is not a necessary component of the system.

following a strict mercyless law written in stone.
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perhaps, dan, you'd like to give us an idea of this "strict merciless law" and we might discuss how it actually works, as opposed to what they told you at whatever evangelist indoctrination centre you learnt this in?

why not quote the verse you claim to understand and we'll look at it in some detail?

b'shalom

bananabrain
 
....................THE THREE SOCIETIES....................

The Moon and the Stars represent night-time, the Sun represents daytime. Therefore the vision under the Sun(Son), is magnified and made clearer and better that by the mere light of the moon or stars. In this way the three levels of human consciousness are represented in the Bible.
In the area of the world living under the survival of the fittest principle of governance, appear prophets as stars of twinkling light. By this light these primitive societies have built stability and continuity even though it is often at the expense of equality and compassion.
With the arrival of the Moon a much more constant and envisioning light appears but it is still during the night. Under the Moon which is the " law of justice " for one and all, society receives a sense of peace, security and divinity. But this stability is often at the expense of emotional happiness. This occurs when a society lives by the moon but does't equalize it's economic assets evenly among humanity and so therefore there is no brotherhood.
Living under the SUN in broad daylight the people with Jesus's outlook embrace the hight points of human consciousness. Decency, ethics and spirituality become preeminent in their minds. We, in the Christian west today are living in the Day. At this time after 2000AD we have the full enlightenment of daylight and this is just what makes us the most responsible for the direction in which human civilization is now going.
 
Hijacking the thread:
Speaking of skin cancer......
Actually there are 3 kinds of UV light: A, B and C.
A & B are the ones that will toast you and cause cancers whereas UVB is actually good for you (stimulates vitamin D production, and such).
The thing is UVB occurs during the mid-day (when they tell you to stay out of the sun and wear sunblock) .
20 minutes or so is usually sufficient exposure to get your vitamin D dose for the day.
When the angle of the sun is low the UVC is allowed through and the UVB is blocked.
UVA is mostly blocked by the atmosphere at a constant rate.

Thing to be aware of is that fluorescent lights give off UVC and so are not very healthy.
 
Namaste Shawn,

Well it looks like we are gonna be ready for the ole hippy to teach us about the fifteen degree info soon enough...maybe that will play into the ABC of UV
 
so you're not going to respond to my question, then? just going to carry on with these fatuous assertions about non-christians being "in the dark"?

you do know this is an interfaith *dialogue* board, right?

b'shalom

bananabrain
 
bananabrain said:
so you're not going to respond to my question, then? just going to carry on with these fatuous assertions about non-christians being "in the dark"?

you do know this is an interfaith *dialogue* board, right?

b'shalom

bananabrain
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I'm thinking the lack of interaction has to do with him wanting to lay out the rest of his manifesto/philosophy before talking. The theory may be that some philosophies are no good as parts and components and that the big picture is what really matters. He wants to show you the whole package first. I can say this from experience. I had that attitude in the past. I have learnt a lot from these forums and a lot of my thinking has changed. Actually, I think I still retain much of that attitude: that it is the "whole package" that matters, that the parts and components of any radical philosophy must work in synergy. My ideas have changed, but I continue to believe, to some extent, in the power, or at least the value, of a fully-formed package as compared to the sum of its parts.

Well actually, maybe that's an exaggeration. I believe bits and pieces can often be far more meaningful than the whole if you choose or encounter powerful ideas. That has often relieved me of the need to see everything, allowing me to appreciate the little that I know about something.
 
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17th, now who is the one teasing people? Its you, as usual. Of course the meaning of Genesis is clear. It says "The sun to rule the day and the moon and stars to rule the night" by which we know that there is no such thing as vampires. Of course they'd burn up under the sun, moon or stars and not just the sun; so they are clearly fables. Every question was provided for ahead of time as anyone, even you, can see.
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where the f did I say vampires?

Dan B is taking the self righteous bs way of typical christians... The sun is christianity? And everyone else is in darkness... lol b.s.

And as I stated... Nothing but sun Would, give you skin cancers :) And the world Would perish. :) :/ You want darkness ;) You crave darkness...... You, need, darkness.
 
Angel is correct. That's all I'm going to say about your post, Angel.

Self righteousness is a typical problem. In the good times love can make up for many such misunderstandings. Unfortunately, love is like the sun, and there are periods of time where there is more of less of it. There comes a time when a person actually has to be a light, like the moon. That is the time when self hatred (which appears as self righteousness) is shown for the darkness it is. I know.

Dan you are not unusual in your light treatment of the place the law takes. I am right there with you, but I urge you to go back over it. Ours is a common issue with starting from the NT fundamentalist approach, and this is unfortunately well known about many christians. (I feel bad for the christians that aren't self righteous who always catch flak along with the rest.) It has a lot to do with this misunderstanding about the relationship between christians and the law. Don't take something good and foundational to christianity and mistake it for an evil thing or even something that can be replaced. There are serious foundational cracks as a result, self hatred is just one of them. It is just the most obvious one.

Self righteousness I suggest is really guilt and self hatred disguised as humility. A NT christian should learn humility instead of guilt! It is impossible to love other people and God when you hate yourself constantly. You can start out with a great family life be open and loving, but in the end self hatred erodes your ability to love other people at all. It erodes your will to do good, and the whole time you mentally are trying to make yourself humble and love other people! Argh!
 
dan b said:
We, in the Christian west today are living in the Day. At this time after 2000AD we have the full enlightenment of daylight and this is just what makes us the most responsible for the direction in which human civilization is now going.
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Wow, aren't we special, then? Enlightened, and civilized, and full to the brim with all the self-righteousness that Jesus despised...

The Christian west? There's no such thing, and if you believe there is than I think you should pull your head out of the clouds and take a good, long look at the direction that the west is taking the world-- even better, where it itself is going. Perhaps you may like to visit a sweatshop in the third world, and ask one of the ten year old boys if he can take time out from his twelve hour day and give his thoughts on the moral superiority of the west.

This is not the Kingdom of Heaven...
 
I thought that under the "heading of Christianity" I could talk as a Christian. dan b
 
At least in my experience, I've never heard of anyone being shut down just because they hold a different position. At the same time, Christianity touches other religions sometimes like Islam, Baha'i, Judaism; so they can comment as long as they're respectful. Its within the rules. Its not like I'm a moderator, but of course you can talk like whatever you think a christian should say. You can even turn around and go over to another forum like the Judaism or Islam forum and respectfully disagree if they say something about Christianity that you feel is in error. Its a laid back atmosphere mostly. I think what is not allowed is to go to another religion's forum and try to convert people andor kill their religion. You could (and some people have) go over to Islam forum and disagree with something they say about Christianity. You could not go over there and attempt to convert them to Christianity or denigrate their Prophets, because you'd get a warning. Just that is how it has gone for about the year I've been here.
 
dan b said:
I thought that under the "heading of Christianity" I could talk as a Christian. dan b
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Namaste dan b,

You are correct as is Dream in his explanation.

However Christianity is a wide birth, we have Orthodox of various varieties, folks like Jehovah's Witness, Mormons, Unificationists, and those liberal new thought folks like myself...some of us are considered cultist or fringe, some of us are more mainstream. Your discussion is obviously not middle of the road Christianity. But you seem to object to questioning of your beliefs.. but you knew that, from the various forums you put your info out, I'm sure you are questioned there as well (since you accuse me of following you)

All that being said, we Christians here discuss our nuance and differences, we don't just pontificate as a prophet. I said before, if you have a book to sell or want to start an evangelical program this isn't the space.
 
dan b said:
I thought that under the "heading of Christianity" I could talk as a Christian. dan b
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You most certainly can, and should....speak your mind.....and don't let the turkey's get you down.
Thing you need to have to do so here is a thick skin, and an open mind, ....and a sense of humor really helps.:D
 
dan b said:
I thought that under the "heading of Christianity" I could talk as a Christian. dan b
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Dan b, I invite you to finish your manifesto so that we can all offer our criticism. You are obviously a believer in the idea that the "whole package" has more value than the sum of its parts.

If you're done, we can get started picking your philosophy apart.

But as wil has said, you can't speak for the rest of us. It annoys me whenever other Christians claim to represent the entire collective. Your ideas are just a perspective.

You may find that people here in the Christianity forum aren't fans of "preachy preachy" Christianity. I suppose there is a sense of imbalance and bias in that and it is somewhat unfair that the more liberal factions have become dominant here. But I consider that reasonable because I am sure that many other "Christian forums" on the Internet would be far more dogmatic, "traditional" and fundamentalist. There are already plenty of "Christian forums" out there that have been dominated by dogmatic, legalistic and fundamentalist thinking. We don't have to add to that collection. This forum seems to have evolved into an alternative environment.

You are welcome to try and turn the tables.:)

To some extent, however, I am somewhat bored with the domination of the liberal faction. I would like to see more posters of the dogmatic/legalistic flavour. I'd like to argue with them.:D

I was just being honest and frank.
 
If thats all this forum is about I just may not continue posting. I thought that under the heading of Christianity there might be people who are actually interested in ideas about the Holy Bible. I think that Jesus told us to just walk away from biting dogs.Whenever I respond to someones post it's seldom not to find fault, it's because I see merit and reason to discuss. My how the world has changed since I came out of the woods. peace and understanding dan b
 
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