What I'm saying is if Jesus is God or of God and had something to do with writing the Laws of Physics, one must consider the probability that Jesus could and can make use of those laws, to his advantage.
We all use the laws of Physics to our advantage. I don't see how this advances your argument. I agree, God exists unchanging outside time. Jesus was born in Bethlehem, according to the Gospels.What I'm saying is if Jesus is God or of God and had something to do with writing the Laws of Physics, one must consider the probability that Jesus could and can make use of those laws, to his advantage.
If God is the God of yesterday, today and tomorrow and is outside of time, then our linear time does not apply to God.
Occams Razor..."all things being equal, that which is left regardless of how improbable...must be possible".
So Jesus the man could not in any way be God. We also know he prayed to God, and even in Gethsemane pleaded with God. These actions are inconsistent with his being God in a literal way.
Jesus the man who put away his Godhead for a time, was born to a woman. When he completed his mission (after relying soley on God the father as a perfect human should), and after he gave up his life, received his Godhead back, and takes his place as one with God the Father, and God the Holy Spirit. These are not my argumental points. They are two thousand years old.
Sorry, I didn't intend to drag this out so long. Occam first. I think you must be looking at a different Wiki from me. Mine says:Jesus the man who put away his Godhead for a time, was born to a woman. When he completed his mission (after relying soley on God the father as a perfect human should), and after he gave up his life, received his Godhead back, and takes his place as one with God the Father, and God the Holy Spirit. These are not my argumental points. They are two thousand years old.
Not so sure about the Holmes origination thought...
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Of two equivalent theories or explanations, all other things being equal, .... the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." ...
We are so close to agreemnet on the other issue. You are saying, with scriptural authority, that Jesus put aside his quality of being God. That's fine by me. He put it aside - he didn't then have it. He couldn't put it aside and still have it.
Sorry, I didn't intend to drag this out so long. Occam first. I think you must be looking at a different Wiki from me. Mine says:
We are so close to agreemnet on the other issue. You are saying, with scriptural authority, that Jesus put aside his quality of being God. That's fine by me. He put it aside - he didn't then have it. He couldn't put it aside and still have it.
But this could run and run. I think we're as close as we're going to get.
Jesus was a great man, reformer, and preacher of a new kinder compassionate religion. Some of his ideas have survived but most were blacked out by the Christian Church to make the great man Jesus into the Revelations genocidal killer leading an army of killer angels. Jesus knew he was not god. He never claimed to be God. He said he was subordinate to God, and preached God's message. However that message was polluted and turned nearly 180 degrees by the Catholic Church which began rule of oppression, torture, persecution, and perversion by Theodosius II.
Jesus was good. He was persecuted because he preached liberation from the Old Testament God. Did the High God change his mind in some holy epiphany? Did the High God regret his crimes and truly reform?
This is not supported by logic or by the gospel accounts. Jesus did not die (brain death and necrosis). If he walked out of the tomb, he suffered a transient coma from early brain with neural recovery lying supine. Thus he appeared to be dead but was not dead. That is a common experience. That is why they had burials in England with a rope in the tomb to the surface where it could ring a bell if the person awoke. They were called bell ringers.
Jesus is not a god. He never claimed to be God. More important is his message of justice, charity, love, compassion, and forgiveness.
Let's go easy on the criticism. There is nothing wrong with one expressing their concerns, hopes, and frustration. It is obvious Amerigen doest not hate Jesus, only what man appears to have done to force Jesus into a box.
I think it would be better to avoid accusations of insanity. The Soviet Union used to incarcerate dissidents in mental asylums on the grounds that you would have to be mad to criticise the Communist regime. If all those with a religious faith were psychotic we would have a very strange world indeed. It does not make sense to call a system psychotic - a system cannot have hallucinations.
You can certainly criticise the Church. That's fair game. Just about all Christians criticise the Church.
