Did Jesus Die?

[Ahanu]

And the Muslim belief that Jesus was raised alive to the heavens comes from that very explicit verse that says that he was not killed nor crucified... and the fact that he is coming back; them hadiths however compliment fitting in the peaces of what happened between

Haha. Explicit? Even the contemporary Muslim scholar Farid Esack admits the truth of the matter:

"Muslims in general deny the crucifixion although the Qu'ran merely states: 'THEY DID NOT SLAY HIM, NEITHER DID THEY CRUCIFY HIM, BUT IT ONLY SEEMED TO THEM AS IF IT WAS SO.'"

The Koran does not say HE WAS NOT KILLED NOR CRUCIFIED, but it says THEY DID NOT SLAY HIM, NEITHER DID THEY CRUCIFY HIM. And what the hell is "IT" referring to in "BUT IT ONLY SEEMED TO THEM AS IF IT WAS SO?" The crucifixion or Jesus?

Perhaps we should go back to the grammatical arguments of early Muslim commentators, Abdullah? Or would you just say scholars have taken these early commentators out of contexts? Or that these early commentators made mistakes?

An appeal to the consensus will not help you escape these facts.

 

[Abdullah]

Haha. Explicit? Even the contemporary Muslim scholar Farid Esack admits the truth of the matter:

"Muslims in general deny the crucifixion although the Qu'ran merely states: 'THEY DID NOT SLAY HIM, NEITHER DID THEY CRUCIFY HIM, BUT IT ONLY SEEMED TO THEM AS IF IT WAS SO.'"

The Koran does not say HE WAS NOT KILLED NOR CRUCIFIED, but it says THEY DID NOT SLAY HIM, NEITHER DID THEY CRUCIFY HIM. And what the hell is "IT" referring to in "BUT IT ONLY SEEMED TO THEM AS IF IT WAS SO?" The crucifixion or Jesus?

Perhaps we should go back to the grammatical arguments of early Muslim commentators, Abdullah? Or would you just say scholars have taken these early commentators out of contexts? Or that these early commentators made mistakes?

An appeal to the consensus will not help you escape these facts.

'kathal'; slain, is basically another word for kill; it can be translated iether way

in the following verse we can see the same word kathal (Qutilū) being used for 'kill':

‘O you who believe! Be not like those who disbelieve (hypocrites) and who say to their brethren when they travel through the earth or go out to fight: 'If they had stayed with us, they would not have died or been killed,' so that Allah may make it a cause of regret in their hearts. It is Allah that gives life and causes death. And Allah is All-Seer of what you do. And if you are killed or die in the Way of Allah, forgiveness and mercy from Allah are far better than all that they amass (of worldly wealth etc.). And whether you die, or are killed, verily, unto Allah you shall be gathered.’
(Surat-aal-Imran (3), ayah 156-158)

transliteration:

Yā 'Ayyuhā Al-Ladhīna 'Āmanū Lā Takūnū Kālladhīna Kafarū Wa Qālū Li'khwānihim 'Idhā Đarabū Fī Al-'Arđi 'Aw Kānū Ghuzzáan Law Kānū `Indanā Mā Mātū Wa Mā Qutilū Liyaj`ala Al-Lahu Dhālika Ĥasratan Fī Qulūbihim Wa ۗ Allāhu Yuĥyī Wa Yumītu Wa ۗ Allāhu Bimā Ta`malūna Başīrun

Wa La'in Qutiltum Fī Sabīli Al-Lahi 'Aw Muttum Lamaghfiratun Mina Al-Lahi Wa Raĥmatun Khayrun Mimmā Yajma`ūn

Wa La'in Muttum 'Aw Qutiltum La'ilá Al-Lahi Tuĥsharūna

Quraan Transliteration

so basically the Arabic word for 'kill' is 'kathal'

 

[Ahanu]

'kathal'; slain, is basically another word for kill; it can be translated iether way

Thank you for the information, but that is not the point. You're putting your own words in for Allah when you say the Koran says "he was not killed nor crucified." I did the same thing with the translation for Koran 3.144 from Free-minds.org.

We all make mistakes, Abdullah. We all make mistakes.

 

[Abdullah]

"Say: 'Shall I seek for judge other than Allah?' - when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail.' They know full well, to whom we have given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt. The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: none can change His words: for He is the one Who heareth and knoweth all. Were thou to follow the common run among those on earth, they will lead thee away form Allah. They follow nothing but conjecture: they do nothing but lie."
(Koran 6.114-116)

there is much evidence that the orthodox majority of the Umma is divinely protected from error, such as the sahih hadith related by al-Hakim that "Allah's hand is over the group, and whoever diverges from them diverges to hell" (al-Mustadrak, 1.116). Such hadiths show that Quranic verses like "If you obey most of those on earth, they will lead you astray from the path of Allah" (Quran, 6:116) do not refer to those who follow traditional Islamic scholarship (who have never been a majority of those on earth), but rather the non-Muslim majority of mankind.

Would you advise people to study hadiths on their own?

 

[Ahanu]

As I pointed out in post number 61, admit you make a mistake, Abdullah.

Confess.

Confess the Koran does not say "HE WAS NOT KILLED NOR CRUCIFIED."

 

[True Gabriel]

Haha. Explicit? Even the contemporary Muslim scholar Farid Esack admits the truth of the matter:

"Muslims in general deny the crucifixion although the Qu'ran merely states: 'THEY DID NOT SLAY HIM, NEITHER DID THEY CRUCIFY HIM, BUT IT ONLY SEEMED TO THEM AS IF IT WAS SO.'"

The Koran does not say HE WAS NOT KILLED NOR CRUCIFIED, but it says THEY DID NOT SLAY HIM, NEITHER DID THEY CRUCIFY HIM. And what the hell is "IT" referring to in "BUT IT ONLY SEEMED TO THEM AS IF IT WAS SO?" The crucifixion or Jesus?

Perhaps we should go back to the grammatical arguments of early Muslim commentators, Abdullah? Or would you just say scholars have taken these early commentators out of contexts? Or that these early commentators made mistakes?

An appeal to the consensus will not help you escape these facts.

IMO, the Quran is full of generalization and lacking in specifics. An example is the Ishmael-Isaac story. Muslims claim that Ishmael was the one that was offer for sacrifice even though no name was mention it only mention "son". The Bible on the other hand is very specific it mention the name Isaac.

 

[Abdullah]

Actuallly, I read those verses on a liberal Muslim website: Free-minds.org. Search the site. I've been looking for contemporary Muslims whose beliefs are more similar to the New Testament.

Maybe no Muslims around you believe in swoon theory, but I bet I could find Muslims in India and Africa believing it, because of Zakir Naik and Ahmad Deedat. While looking for refutations from contemporary Muslims, I found this website:

Unchangingword.com

Just click on "Did Jesus Die on the Cross?" You will see he uses al-Tabari and al-Razi to refute their arguments. If al-Razi did not critique substitution theory, then I'm confused as to why so many scholars are using him to show he did not choose which theory was correct, or to show al-Razi critiqued them to show their weaknesses. The article on Unchangingword.com is more scholarly than the one on Free-minds.org.

Even with the translations you posted, Jesus could be among those "many Messengers," right?

Ahmed Deedat was astray in this matter, allthough he might have changed his views in later life; Zakir Naik was influenced by Ahmad Deedad and his organisation; this is why he took in the footsteps of Ahmad Deeded as a comparative religions debater/orator, but he since has been influenced by Salafi beliefs thus his views could have changed; if they havn't, then a few Muslims being astray in the matter is only expected

freeminds.org is an anti-Islam site that mocks and tries to distort just about all traditional views, and the other site seems similar thus their contents are fit only for the bin!

 

[Ahanu]

Well, well, well. Earlier you said the Koran says:

HE WAS NOT KILLED NOR CRUCIFIED.

However, as E. E. Elder remarked: "The verse does not say that Jesus was not killed, nor was he crucified. It merely states that they (the Jews) did not kill or crucify him." So we're back in the same scenario as before. Does it mean God killed Jesus, as is implied in John 19.11? Does it mean the Jews killed the physical body, but not the spirit? Or, as you suggest, does it mean Jesus was not killed at all?

Back to the discussion at hand: when did Jesus die? As we have seen, Abdullah says Jesus will die sometime in the future, but what does the Koran say?

Muslim scholars and Christian scholars agree on this: John the Baptist died! In Koran 19.15, we read the following about John the Baptist: "So Peace on him the day he was born, the day that he dies, and the day that he will be raised up to life (again)!" The linguistic structure here is similar to the verse uttered by Jesus about himself: "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)! Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute" (Koran 19.33-34)." In fact, it is Jesus uttering both of these verses! But Muslims refuse to apply the same interpretation to John the Baptist!

Why does Abdullah change the interpretation according to his own bias? How is it Koran 19.15 refers to John the Baptist's death, whereas Koran 19.33 refers to Jesus' future death after his second coming?! Parrinder has already said: "There is no futurity in the grammar of the Quran of verse [Mary] 19.33 to suggest a post millennial death. The plain meaning seems to be his physical death at the end of his present human life on earth."

 

[Abdullah]

As I pointed out in post number 61, admit you make a mistake, Abdullah.

Confess.

Confess the Koran does not say "HE WAS NOT KILLED NOR CRUCIFIED."

Abdullah Yusuf Ali:
4:157-158 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-


Ahanu, take a look at that verse; it says that 'they say in boast we killed Jesus'; now who was it that said that in boast?; ofcourse the enemies that thought they had killed Jesus by crucifying him, thus when Allah says they did not kill him, even if the word can be translated as slain, this is obviously reffering to him not being killed by crucifixion; crucifixion can be a type of slaying, for a person is nailed to the crucifix and killed thus in a violent way

I think Farid Esack might have been influenced by Ahmed Deedat; obviously if they back the swoon theory or something than they will try and cite whatever type of evidence they can to throw doubt on opposing opinions but what they dont realise that in the process they are throwing away their common sense


Mufti Taqi Usmani:
4:157-158 and for their saying, .We have certainly killed the MasiH =Isa the son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah., while in fact they did neither kill him, nor crucify him, but they were deluded by resemblance. Those who disputed in this matter are certainly in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it, but they follow whims. It is absolutely certain that they did not kill him, but Allah lifted him towards Himself. Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.


Marmaduke Pickthall:
4:157-158 And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger They slew him not nor crucified, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture ; they slew him not for certain, But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, wise.


Sahih International:
4:157-158 And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain. Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise.


Mohsin Khan:
4:157-158 And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Îsa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them [the resemblance of 'Îsa (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man)], and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Îsa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), But Allah raised him ['Îsa (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise.


Shakir:
4:157-158 And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the messenger of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure. Nay! Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

 

[Abdullah]

Abdullah Yusuf Ali:
4:157-158 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-


Ahanu, take a look at that verse; it says that 'they say in boast we killed Jesus'; now who was it that said that in boast?; ofcourse the enemies that thought they had killed Jesus by crucifying him, thus when Allah says they did not kill him, even if the word can be translated as slain, this is obviously reffering to him not being killed by crucifixion; crucifixion can be a type of slaying, for a person is nailed to the crucifix and killed thus in a violent way

near the end the verse goes on to say that 'those who differ therein' obviously meaning those who differ with the view that he weren't killed, i.e those who say he died by way of crucifixion, only follow conjecture, for a surety Jesus [pbuh] was not killed; so there we have the word 'killed/slain' again; reffeing to what?; obviously that he weren't killed/slain by the way they guess him to have been, i.e by way of crucifixion

after the word killed, the verse goes on to say, nor did they crucify him, i.e, he weren't even hung up; nailed to that crucifix!; this would probably refer to this and not particularly 'death by crucifixion' for the 'death' part has allready been repudiated

 

[Ahanu]

Ahanu, take a look at that verse; it says that 'they say in boast we killed Jesus'; now who was it that said that in boast?; of course the enemies that thought they had killed Jesus by crucifying him, thus when Allah says they did not kill him, even if the word can be translated as slain, this is obviously reffering to him not being killed by crucifixion; crucifixion can be a type of slaying, for a person is nailed to the crucifix and killed thus in a violent way

I think Farid Esack might have been influenced by Ahmed Deedat; obviously if they back the swoon theory or something than they will try and cite whatever type of evidence they can to throw doubt on opposing opinions but what they dont realise that in the process they are throwing away their common sense

HAHA! The issue is not over the translation of the word "kill," Abdullah. Quit beating around the bush--just chop it down! The fact is this: your denial of the crucifixion is rooted in tafsir, not the Koran! The passage can be read numerous ways.

For example, when the Koran says "That they said (in boast), We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah,'" the Koran is saying they did not kill the Reality of Christ, or, in the terms of one Ismai'li text, "the Sublime Temple of Light":

"The immaterial soul and the Sublime Temple of Light cannot be killed or crucified, nor even die. That which dies is only the 'superficial covers' of the body made of flesh and blood, which are nothing but an outward representation (mithal) of the immaterial Temple of Light."

Jesus' soul--the Light (nur) of God--did not die, and this concept can be found in the Koran:

"They desire to put out the Light of Allah (nur Allah) with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His Light (nur), though the unbelievers are averse"
(Koran 9.32)

And, in the Bible, according to Abu Hatim al-Razi, we see a similar concept:

"Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather fear Him who can destroy both soul and body in hell"
(Matthew 10.28)

And Abu Hatim al-Razi quotes the following verses from the Koran as proof:

"And do not say about those who are killed in the way of Allah, 'They are dead.' Rather, they are alive, but you perceive [it] not"
(Koran 2.154)

"And never think of those who have been killed in the cause of Allah as dead. Rather, they are alive with their Lord, receiving provision, rejoicing in what Allah has bestowed upon them of his bounty, and they receive good tidings about those [to be martyred] after them who have not yet joined them--that there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve"
(Koran 3.169-170)

Indeed, take a look at the following quote from Razi in A'lam al-Nubuwwah, showing that the New Testament and Koran agree:

"An example of this is in the Evangel (al-Injil) is [to be found] in the Gospel of John (Bushra Yuhana): 'The Messiah died in body (bi-al-jasad), whereas he is alive in spirit (bi-al-ruh).' So they thought that he who died in the body was delivered from sin. And in the Gospel of Luke (Bushra Luqa) [it is said]: 'I say to you, oh my dear friends (awliya'i), do not fear those who kill the body, but cannot do more than that' . . . And in the Gospel of Matthew (Bushra Matta) [it is said]: 'Do not fear those who kill the body but are not able to kill the soul, and do fear the one who can [both] destroy the soul and cast the body into the fire [of hell]' . . . these passages from the Gospels are consistent with the Qu'ran in terms of their actual meaning, since both the scriptures attest that Jesus could not be killed in the full sense, that is, in both body and soul."

So now we can interpret the phrase "but so it was made to appear to them" (wa-lakin shubbiha lahum) as follows: what appeared to be crucified was Jesus' human nature (nasut), but his enemies could not crucify his soul.



As for your comment on Farid Esack, that will not fly--unless you have proof. And you mention throwing away common sense, when those legendary hadiths report all kinds of nonsense. For example, look at this one I found:

Al-Bukhari recorded that Ibn `Abbas said, "The moon was split during the time of the Prophet .'' Al-Bukhari and Muslim collected this Hadith. Ibn Jarir recorded that Ibn `Abbas commented on Allah's saying:

(The Hour has drawn near, and the moon has been cleft asunder. And if they see a sign, they turn away and say: "This is magic, Mustamir.'') "This occurred before the Hijrah; the moon was split and they saw it in two parts.''

BAHAHA! Such fantastic tales! Pure fanaticism.

 

[Ahanu]

Why does Abdullah change the interpretation according to his own bias? How is it Koran 19.15 refers to John the Baptist's death, whereas Koran 19.33 refers to Jesus' future death after his second coming?! Parrinder has already said: "There is no futurity in the grammar of the Quran of verse [Mary] 19.33 to suggest a post millennial death. The plain meaning seems to be his physical death at the end of his present human life on earth."

Any Muslim want to refute this? I'm waiting . . .

 

[Ahanu]

For example, when the Koran says "That they said (in boast), We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah,'" the Koran is saying they did not kill the Reality of Christ, or, in the terms of one Ismai'li text, "the Sublime Temple of Light":

Oops. I got too far ahead of myself. I meant to say, "they boasted in killing the Christ" means to boast in killing Christ's physical body, according to this interpretation, and then the rest explains the following verses.

 

[Abdullah]

Well, well, well. Earlier you said the Koran says:

HE WAS NOT KILLED NOR CRUCIFIED.

However, as E. E. Elder remarked: "The verse does not say that Jesus was not killed, nor was he crucified. It merely states that they (the Jews) did not kill or crucify him." So we're back in the same scenario as before. Does it mean God killed Jesus, as is implied in John 19.11? Does it mean the Jews killed the physical body, but not the spirit? Or, as you suggest, does it mean Jesus was not killed at all?

Back to the discussion at hand: when did Jesus die? As we have seen, Abdullah says Jesus will die sometime in the future, but what does the Koran say?

Muslim scholars and Christian scholars agree on this: John the Baptist died! In Koran 19.15, we read the following about John the Baptist: "So Peace on him the day he was born, the day that he dies, and the day that he will be raised up to life (again)!" The linguistic structure here is similar to the verse uttered by Jesus about himself: "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)! Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute" (Koran 19.33-34)." In fact, it is Jesus uttering both of these verses! But Muslims refuse to apply the same interpretation to John the Baptist!

Why does Abdullah change the interpretation according to his own bias? How is it Koran 19.15 refers to John the Baptist's death, whereas Koran 19.33 refers to Jesus' future death after his second coming?! Parrinder has already said: "There is no futurity in the grammar of the Quran of verse [Mary] 19.33 to suggest a post millennial death. The plain meaning seems to be his physical death at the end of his present human life on earth."

there dont need to be any 'future tense' in that verse, for Jesus [pbuh] has only one life, not two; Muhammad [saw] went to the heavens too during his lifetime, but yet he had only the one life, and he died at the end of it; Jesus [pbuh] has only gone to the heavens for a longer period thats all, and soon he'll be back down and continue his life, and it will end like all lives eventually ends

and since your paying attention to the supposed 'interpretations' of dissenters, then take a look at the exegesis of the experts in this field; it will break down for you as to how exactly they have come to the conclusion they have:

JESUS (PBUH) DID NOT DIE - Harun Yahya


And i mentioned this before that do people refer to Jesus' soul dying when they say he was killed on the cross/; ofcourse not for all three Abrahimic faiths believe that the soul lives on, thus they mean that his body was killed... and this is what Allah says did not happen

i've shown you verses previously where Allah says martyrs are killed by humans and they die also, thus if Jesus [pbuh] was killed in the body and people say so, then there would be no need for ALlah to say that they are only conjecturing and that such a death did not happen

 

[Abdullah]

Ahanu, you are ignoring the fact that Allah's Messenger [saw] interpreted the Quran, and the hadiths mention that he will die on his return; also there is a Quranic verse that very clearly expresses a future tense regarding his death:

Aayat No.159 of Surah Nisaa' states : �And there will be none of the Ahl -e-Kitaab, but he will believe in him (Isaa) before his Maut (death).�
In the tafseer of this aayat, Hadhrat Abu Hurairah (radhiyallahu anhu) said:

�Nabi (alayhis salaam) said: �Most assuredly, the Son of Maryam will descend (to earth) as a just ruler. Then he will most certainly slay Dajjaal, kill pigs and destroy crosses. And,(at that time) Sajdah (worship) will be exclusively for Allah Rab-bul Aalameen.' Then Abu Hurairah said: If you wish recite(aayat No.159)' He added: �Before the Maut of Isaa. He repeated this thrice.� (Maaariful Qur'aan)

All members of the Ahl-e-Kitaab (people of the book: Jews/Christians). will ultimately accept Imaan (faith) at the hands of Nabi Isaa (alayhis salaam) before his death. This too testifies to the belief of him still being alive. Millions and millions of Ahl-e-Kitaab have not yet believed in Hadhrat Isaa (alayhis salaam) in the way Islam requires belief. This will happen after his Nuzool (descent) from the Heavens.
THE QURAAN
..................

so as we can see, all christians and jews will have to believe in him before his death and this has been interpreted in the hadiths that on his return, only Islam will be accepted on earth as a religion, thus whatever non-Muslim dont accept Islam will perish; this weren't the case in the past was it?; thus Jesus [pbuh] could not have died yet

there are other hadiths too that say that every single person who dont accept Islam on Jesus' return will perish:


Narrated Abu Huraira(RA) that the Prophet of Allah(SAW) said:

By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, Son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizyah (a tax taken from the non-Muslims, who are in the protection, of the Muslim government). Then there will be abundance of money and no one will accept charitable gifts.
(Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 3, Book 34, No. 425)


Narrated Abu Huraira(RA) that hazrat Muhammad(SAW) said:

The Hour will not be established until the Son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizyah tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts).
(Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 3, Book 43, No. 656)


Allah's Apostle(SAW) declared:

I swear by Him in Whose hands is my life that soon there will descend among you Hazrat Isa Ibn-e-Mariam as a Just Ruler; so (he) will break the 'cross', kill swine and prohibit war!
(Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 1, No. 668, Book of Prophets, P. 490)


Narrated Abu Huraira(RA) he heard Allah's Apostle(SAW) say:

By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely (Jesus,) the Son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind justly (as a Just Ruler); he will break the Cross and kill the pigs and there will be no Jizyah (i.e. taxation taken from non Muslims). Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it, and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) will be better than the whole world and whatever is in it." Abu Huraira added "If you wish, you can recite (this verse of the Holy Book): -- "And there is none Of the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (i.e Jesus as an Apostle of Allah and a human being) before his death. And on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness against them." (Quran 4:159)
(Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 4, Book 55, No. 657; Fateh-ul Bari, Vol. 7, P. 302)
A similar narration by Ata(RA) has been recorded by Muslim with the following sentence added at the end:
Mutual hatred, jealousy and grudge will disappear.
.......................


the abolishing of the jiziyah [non-Muslim tax] and abolishing war indicates that there would not be any non-Muslim left; iether the people will convert to Islam or perish

here is a hadith that clearly says ALlah will perish all religions except Islam:

Narrated Abu Huraira(RA) that the Prophet(SAW) said:

There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus (peace be upon him). He will descent (to the earth). When you see him, recognize him: a man of medium height, reddish fair, wearing two light yellow garments, looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet. He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizyah. Allah will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him.
(Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 37, No. 4310)


Narrated An-Nawwas ibn Sam'an(RA) that Rasulullah(SAW) said:

...He will then call (that young man) and he will come forward laughing with his face gleaming (with happiness). It will at this very time that Allah will send Christ, son of Mary. He will descend at the white minaret on the eastern side of Damascus, wearing two garments lightly dyed with saffron and placing his hands on the wings of two Angels. When he lowers his head, there will fall beads of perspiration from his head, and when he raises it up, beads like pearls will scatter from it. Every non-believer who smells the odor of his body will die and his breath will reach as far as he is able to see. He will then search for him (Dajjal) until he catches hold of him at the gate of Ludd (Jerusalem) and kills him.
Then a people whom Allah had protected will come to Jesus, son of Mary, and he will wipe their faces and inform them of their ranks in Paradise. It will be under such conditions that Allah will reveal to Jesus these words: I have brought forth from among My servants such people against whom none will be able to fight; you take these people safely to Tur, and then Allah will send Gog and Magog and they will swarm down from every slope. The first of them will pass the lake of Tiberias and drink out of it. And when the last of them passes, he will say: There was once water there...
(Sahih Muslim, Book 40, No. 7015)


so will Islam all of a sudden change as for now no non-Muslim will be killed unless ofcourse if they fight and try to kill Muslims, so why will all non-Muslims perish when Jesus [pbuh] returns; well that will be a plague from Allah via the holy breath of Jesus [pbuh]; as we can see in the above hadith, and in another sense it is part of Islam now, for the end of signs times are part of Islam


Narrated Abu Huraira(RA) that hazrat Muhammad(SAW) taught:

How will you be when the Son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you and he will judge people by the law of the Quran and not by the law of Gospel.
(Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 4, Book 55, No. 658; Fateh-ul Bari, Vol. 7, P. 304-305)


there are hadiths which say Allah will take all Muslims from the earth before the last hour, and the hour will come upon only the wicked, but this will be after the earth is only inhabited by Muslims, and many years thereafter people will start to go astray again, and soon after the earth will once more be filled with both Muslims and non-muslims:


Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr(RA) that:

Someone came to him and said: What is this hadith that you narrate that the Last Hour will come at a certain time? Thereupon he said: Hallowed be Allah, there is no god but Allah (or words to the same effect). I have decided that I shall not narrate anything to anyone now. I have only said that you will see after some time an important event: that the (sacred) House (Ka'bah) will be burnt and it definitely happen.
He then reported that Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: The Dajjal will appear in my Ummah and he will stay (in the world) for forty -- I cannot say whether he meant forty days, forty months or forty years. Allah will then send Jesus, son of Mary, who will resemble Urwah ibn Mas'ud. He (Jesus Christ) will chase him and kill him. Then people will live for seven years, during which time there will be no rancor between any two persons. After that Allah will send a cold wind from the direction of Syria. None will survive on Earth, having a speck of good in him or faith in him: he will die. Even if some among you were to enter the innermost part of the mountain, this wind would reach that place also and cause your death.
I heard Allah's Apostle (peace be upon him) as saying: Only the wicked people will survive and they will be as careless as birds with the characteristics of beasts. They will never appreciate good nor condemn evil...
(Sahih Muslim, Book 40, No. 7023)

 

[Abdullah]

ps: there would be a raging battle just prior to Jesus [pbuh] returning, between christians and Muslims, in that the christians will be defeated; after Jesus' [pbuh] return, there will be a raging battle between the Muslims on one side and Jews, the anti-christ and all other non-Muslims on the other, thus vast numbers of them will be wiped out in these battles; the rest will be wiped out via the plague sent by ALlah...

 

[Abdullah]

there are hadiths which say Allah will take all Muslims from the earth before the last hour, and the hour will come upon only the wicked, but this will be after the earth is only inhabited by Muslims, and many years thereafter people will start to go astray again, and soon after the earth will once more be filled with both Muslims and non-muslims :


Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr(RA) that:

Someone came to him and said: What is this hadith that you narrate that the Last Hour will come at a certain time? Thereupon he said: Hallowed be Allah, there is no god but Allah (or words to the same effect). I have decided that I shall not narrate anything to anyone now. I have only said that you will see after some time an important event: that the (sacred) House (Ka'bah) will be burnt and it definitely happen.
He then reported that Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: The Dajjal will appear in my Ummah and he will stay (in the world) for forty -- I cannot say whether he meant forty days, forty months or forty years. Allah will then send Jesus, son of Mary, who will resemble Urwah ibn Mas'ud. He (Jesus Christ) will chase him and kill him. Then people will live for seven years, during which time there will be no rancor between any two persons. After that Allah will send a cold wind from the direction of Syria. None will survive on Earth, having a speck of good in him or faith in him: he will die. Even if some among you were to enter the innermost part of the mountain, this wind would reach that place also and cause your death.
I heard Allah's Apostle (peace be upon him) as saying: Only the wicked people will survive and they will be as careless as birds with the characteristics of beasts. They will never appreciate good nor condemn evil...
(Sahih Muslim, Book 40, No. 7023)

And just to clarify, this dont mean all non-Muslims are wicked, but the one's left in the end of time will be; as for now; there are different degrees of good and bad pertaining to non-Muslims; there are many that have not been presented with a clear picture of Islam and they just dont believe out of ignorance; many out of them will inshALlah be saved on the Day of Judgement for they would have believed if presented with the prophet's [saw] veracity as a Prophet, thus they're good; i think this is why there are so many good non-muslims about

Others are relatively good and ofcourse, bad, just like relative good and bad exists amongst all people

the last day will come upon the wicked as there would be a lot of extreme punishment involved for anyone unfortunate enough to stay on earth when the last day befalls

 

[True Gabriel]

ps: there would be a raging battle just prior to Jesus [pbuh] returning, between christians and Muslims, in that the christians will be defeated; after Jesus' [pbuh] return, there will be a raging battle between the Muslims on one side and Jews, the anti-christ and all other non-Muslims on the other, thus vast numbers of them will be wiped out in these battles; the rest will be wiped out via the plague sent by ALlah...

I guess that is how Muslim view it, unfortunately according to Revelation is that the anti Christ will be defeated and the anti Christ are all those who deny the deity of Jesus Christ, those who preach false gospels, those who undermine Jesus Christ and those who have intentionally wage wars against Jesus's revelation but most of all those who proclaim themselves as tge messiah.

And because Jesus Christ has already died and resurrected as God, He can no longer die and He will be the final judge. While the Muslim-Jesus will have to die first before he can fully be immortal or be with God and that means Muslim-Jesus is susceptible to death.

 

[True Gabriel]

And just to clarify, this dont mean all non-Muslims are wicked, but the one's left in the end of time will be; as for now; there are different degrees of good and bad pertaining to non-Muslims; there are many that have not been presented with a clear picture of Islam and they just dont believe out of ignorance; many out of them will inshALlah be saved on the Day of Judgement for they would have believed if presented with the prophet's [saw] veracity as a Prophet, thus they're good; i think this is why there are so many good non-muslims about

Others are relatively good and ofcourse, bad, just like relative good and bad exists amongst all people

the last day will come upon the wicked as there would be a lot of extreme punishment involved for anyone unfortunate enough to stay on earth when the last day befalls

Jesus will still forgive and accept all those who were victims because of their innocence and ignorance and there are many Muslims who are victims because their religion.

"Father forgive them for they know not what they do"

 

[Abdullah]

I guess that is how Muslim view it, unfortunately according to Revelation is that the anti Christ will be defeated and the anti Christ are all those who deny the deity of Jesus Christ, those who preach false gospels, those who undermine Jesus Christ and those who have intentionally wage wars against Jesus's revelation but most of all those who proclaim themselves as tge messiah.

And because Jesus Christ has already died and resurrected as God, He can no longer die and He will be the final judge. While the Muslim-Jesus will have to die first before he can fully be immortal or be with God and that means Muslim-Jesus is susceptible to death.

however much you would like to believe all that GAB, yet distorted sources are not worth the paper they're written on!