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Hello. I am here because I am interested in the role religion plays in society. I believe that by thoroughly examining religious systems and coming thereby to understand the myriad functions they serve in human societies it is possible not only to gain insight into the underlying structures of societies across the earth but also to use this knowledge to effect vast changes in those societies.

By these means I think great things can be accomplished.
 
My name is a Latin name meaning 'light bringer', and which applies most readily to the planet Venus as it appears in the morning sky. Connotations of evil due to a misinterpretation of a reference in a certain holy book to a Babylonian king are unintentional, and serve only to ensure, to my advantage, that this name is rarely used throughout the internet, and, indeed, the world.

Although it is a product of the Latin of the later Latin-speaking world, and not of the August days of Republic and Principate in Rome, I think it bears a certain classical beauty, much like the seemingly austere yet geometrically elegant and deceptively organic forms of Vitruvian architecture.
 
Lucifer said:
My name is a Latin name meaning 'light bringer', and which applies most readily to the planet Venus as it appears in the morning sky. Connotations of evil due to a misinterpretation of a reference in a certain holy book to a Babylonian king are unintentional, and serve only to ensure, to my advantage, that this name is rarely used throughout the internet, and, indeed, the world.

Although it is a product of the Latin of the later Latin-speaking world, and not of the August days of Republic and Principate in Rome, I think it bears a certain classical beauty, much like the seemingly austere yet geometrically elegant and deceptively organic forms of Vitruvian architecture.
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Hi Luci. I'd like to introduce you to 17th Angel. 17th, this is Lucifer...;)
 
Lucifer said:
Hello. I am here because I am interested in the role religion plays in society. I believe that by thoroughly examining religious systems and coming thereby to understand the myriad functions they serve in human societies it is possible not only to gain insight into the underlying structures of societies across the earth but also to use this knowledge to effect vast changes in those societies.

By these means I think great things can be accomplished.
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Welcome to the forums Lucifer, nice to meet you. Good forums here, you are sure to meet a vast vast range of people of many faiths and and within each faith an unbounded amount of paths/opinions. :) So what are you looking for exactly? I mean, this insight, what do you consider to be a "great accomplishment"?

I think I dabble to a degree like that, attempting to gain understandings and insights within many different groups be them of the standard definition of religious groups or groups that do things, stand for things 'religiously'.

Lucifer said:
My name is a Latin name meaning 'light bringer', and which applies most readily to the planet Venus as it appears in the morning sky. Connotations of evil due to a misinterpretation of a reference in a certain holy book to a Babylonian king are unintentional, and serve only to ensure, to my advantage, that this name is rarely used throughout the internet, and, indeed, the world.

Although it is a product of the Latin of the later Latin-speaking world, and not of the August days of Republic and Principate in Rome, I think it bears a certain classical beauty, much like the seemingly austere yet geometrically elegant and deceptively organic forms of Vitruvian architecture.
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Done your home work on your handle nice one, that is something that 'gets me' people understanding the Babylonian king to be "Satan". Question what does the name mean to you personally though? Like is it quite a literal sense you bring light? Or something else? Anyway welcome to the forums buddy. :)
 
Salam Lucifer ... gosh that sounds strange as I have always believed the name belongs to a certain entity EEK.

Welcome to the forum and I look forward to exchanging thoughts and ideas with you.
 
17th Angel said:
So what are you looking for exactly?
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I am looking for understanding.

I was born without religion. I want to know what it is like to be with religion. I don't know if that is possible, I don't even know how to begin to discover that, but I hope that here I might find at least the beginning of that path.


Anyway welcome to the forums buddy. :)
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Thank you.

And thank you everyone else for your kind welcome.
 
I'd like to say welcome to Lucifer....

However in my theology we don't believe you exist.

I do find it interesting that your moniker has not been taken yet....
 
Lucifer said:
I am looking for understanding.

I was born without religion. I want to know what it is like to be with religion. I don't know if that is possible, I don't even know how to begin to discover that, but I hope that here I might find at least the beginning of that path.
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I hear that lol, Although don't think "to be with religion" is the goal that is being seeked, sure it can look like that but it's more than that. You are already starting to discover that, when you start looking and asking and questioning and so forth... Isn't that key parts of understanding? Good luck I am sure the path a head of you is a long one and that's a good thing :)
 
It is difficult to reconcile pursuit of religious understanding with rational empiricism.
 
Hi Lucifer —
Lucifer said:
My name is a Latin name meaning 'light bringer', and which applies most readily to the planet Venus as it appears in the morning sky.
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Indeed it does. Welcome.

Lucifer said:
Connotations of evil due to a misinterpretation of a reference in a certain holy ...
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Not quite .... rather I would say the Fathers of the early Christian era, being schooled in Greek philosophy, looked for the metaphysical principle behind the Scriptural reference. It is that which underpins their doctrine.

Lucifer said:
... and serve only to ensure, to my advantage, that this name is rarely used throughout the internet, and, indeed, the world.
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Hmm, well as the wise ones say, 'be careful what you think about' and by extension, one should be mindful of what people bring to mind when they think about your name, for they attach it to you. That's the mystery of names... but forewarned is forearmed!

Lucifer said:
I think it bears a certain classical beauty...
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So do I, as a matter of fact.

Then again, in the New Testament, Lucifer has other, and more providential references:
"And we have the more firm prophetical word: whereunto you do well to attend, as to a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts" (2 Peter 1:19)

"As I also have received of my Father: and I will give him the morning star."
Apocalypse 2:28

"I Jesus have sent my angel, to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the root and stock of David, the bright and morning star."
Apocalypse 22:16

God bless,

Thomas
 
17th Angel:

I can, of course, only speak for myself, but I have been finding it highly difficult to understand the reasons people adopt religious beliefs. I'm not here to argue. I simply do not understand. A woman I spoke to yesterday told me that God was real, but she also said that God's existence could not be discovered through "reason or experiment" or "other means", or even, as I suggested, "innate understanding".

This is just one person, but the point is, although I don't understand the reason, there must be a reason, since to people who have these beliefs the beliefs are certainly real. It seems to me that there is a hole somewhere in my understanding of the origin of these beliefs, which, for whatever reason, I cannot see.
 
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Lucifer said:
17th Angel:

I can, of course, only speak for myself, but I have been finding it highly difficult to understand the reasons people adopt religious beliefs. I'm not here to argue.
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Oh no I am not arguing at all! I just pointing out I've heard people say how can I with rational thinking, practice and methods come to accept this as truth and there is a gd! Then I've heard others saying How can I -not- with rational thinking practice and methods accept this as truth and there is a gd! Just tickles me is all my bad!

Exactly we can only speak for ourselves..

Lucifer said:
17th Angel:

A woman I spoke to yesterday told me that God was real, but she also said that God's existence could not be discovered through "reason or experiment" or "other means", or even, as I suggested, "innate understanding".

This is just one person, but the point is, although I don't understand the reason, there must be a reason, since to people who have these beliefs the beliefs are certainly real. It seems to me that there is a hole somewhere in my understanding of the origin of these beliefs, which, for whatever reason, I cannot see.
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I am currently looking into Judaism here and there... And do you know how many names they have for him? lol LOADS! And I guess that is cause maybe everyone's understanding is a personal relationship between that one person and the divine maybe? Or at certain situations, times, events, it is a different thing? So perhaps trying to understand anothers understanding isn't the answer to your understanding? There is one Hebrew name for him which translates to "the place" I think that is where my current understanding of it is. But, that doesn't mean it should be your understanding too does it? I dunno if I am making sense... Still waking up :/
 
17th Angel said:
Oh no I am not arguing at all! I just pointing out I've heard people say how can I with rational thinking, practice and methods come to accept this as truth and there is a gd! Then I've heard others saying How can I -not- with rational thinking practice and methods accept this as truth and there is a gd! Just tickles me is all my bad!
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Oh no, I didn't mean that you were arguing! I just wanted to make sure it was clear that I am not here to pick fights with religions I don't understand. Sorry for the misunderstanding!

I am currently looking into Judaism here and there... And do you know how many names they have for him? lol LOADS! And I guess that is cause maybe everyone's understanding is a personal relationship between that one person and the divine maybe? Or at certain situations, times, events, it is a different thing? So perhaps trying to understand anothers understanding isn't the answer to your understanding? There is one Hebrew name for him which translates to "the place" I think that is where my current understanding of it is. But, that doesn't mean it should be your understanding too does it? I dunno if I am making sense... Still waking up :/
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I think you are completely right. Everyone I have talked to has a new perspective on what God is to show me. Some of them are very personal, others more impersonal, but I think that they are all part of the same thing.
 
Lucifer said:
Oh no, I didn't mean that you were arguing! I just wanted to make sure it was clear that I am not here to pick fights with religions I don't understand. Sorry for the misunderstanding!
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Thanks for the reply,

Ah that's cool thought as much ;D

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I think you are completely right. Everyone I have talked to has a new perspective on what God is to show me. Some of them are very personal, others more impersonal, but I think that they are all part of the same thing.
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An omnipresence in regards to what he has to show you then? I've been starting to look more to whatever it is that he want's to show me, he'll show me cool to find out and hear how others have been effected and their experiences, but come to terms with that's theirs and I'll get mine ;) lol.
 
Lucifer said:
17th Angel:

I can, of course, only speak for myself, but I have been finding it highly difficult to understand the reasons people adopt religious beliefs. I'm not here to argue. I simply do not understand. A woman I spoke to yesterday told me that God was real, but she also said that God's existence could not be discovered through "reason or experiment" or "other means", or even, as I suggested, "innate understanding".

This is just one person, but the point is, although I don't understand the reason, there must be a reason, since to people who have these beliefs the beliefs are certainly real. It seems to me that there is a hole somewhere in my understanding of the origin of these beliefs, which, for whatever reason, I cannot see.
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The Buddha warned against conjecture in a few choice areas: that they would lead to "madness and vexation."
Acintita Sutta: Unconjecturable

I like to speculate that the reason for this madness and vexation is a protection against "social engineers," but such speculation could also lead to madness and vexation. ;)

Welcome to Interfaith.org :)
 
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