The Present Age Passing Away

The one-twelfth of the year following the spring equinox is called the sign of Aries because Aries is the constellation where the sun was at spring equinox, back about three thousand years when the astrologers named these things. For about the past two thousand years, the sun was actually in the constellation of Pisces at spring equinox, but the one-twelfth of the zodiac counting from the sun's equinox location was still called "Aries" by astrologers even when it stopped overlapping the constellation of Aries at all. Now, the sun is toward the end of Aquarius; it's been that way for a few decades, but there is no point in saying exactly *when* the transition was, because that would mean drawing an arbitrary border line of where one constellation "ends" and another "begins"
 
ah... ok.. got it now.

so, if i may sum up.. .it doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot.

what about the rest of the questions or did Victor really sign off until the year 3000?
 
I think Victor may be on to something .... I have had similar thoughts/visions that pertain to a "new age" or a new "beginning" for our world. We have put our hands to the plow and it is time to reap that which we have sown and/or become the change we wish to see in the world. It can be no other way as far as I can tell. It is time to wake up and realize our responsibilities to our fellow man. It doesn't take a great visionary to see that our world is headed to hell in a hand basket.

Intolerance and religious fundamentalism is growing across the globe, so it is only a matter of time until we either wake up as a collective body, or allow our worlds leaders to destroy the majority of the population. Some say it just isn't possible, but a nuclear winter may very well be in our near future, and those who survive (If it occurs) we be responsible for building a new society, a new world, a better world.

The globe is being sifted as we speak for people who will, when the walls come crumbling down, be best suited for the task of creating a new world .... One that is designed to keep the masses on an equal playing field, where true justice and equality can be realized by those who were chosen to be a part of this project. They will save as many worthy bodies as possible, as well as several species of animals in the event of a global nuclear war, and place them somewhere safe as the rest of humanity is destroyed.

The endeavor itself is called Project J.E.S.U.S. (Justice, equality, service, unity, and strength). The chosen few will be responsible for the survival, the evolution of our kind, and to usher in a new world, a "paradise" on earth. Ones track record of service to others will be vital in regard to who is chosen. Indeed, only those who have submitted their lives to the service of others will be chosen to inherit the new earth, and they will include people of all walks of life, and of every creed and color.

The list is being made, written in what is now called the book of life, while project J.E.S.U.S. is firmly in place .... ready to be instituted even today.


It won't be long until the chosen are herded like cattle to be deemed worthy of life, where they will be separated like sheep are from the goats. Some will be chosen to inherit the new world, while others will refuse to submit and be cast into the darkness of the coming nuclear fallout. There are entities existing in our world today who are doing the choosing. They have been watching us (All of us) and keeping record of our words, our actions, and our dispositions towards others. They have a keen eye when it comes to knowing the condition of a mans heart.

During the nuclear winter, those chosen will be taught, some would call it "brainwashed" into behaving a certain way, whereby it will be impossible for them to create anything other than paradise on earth after they are released from the safety of the project itself. The question is, would you submit to project J.E.S.U.S. or would you choose the death that would result from a global nuclear war? If you are not fit to be chosen, it doesn't matter anyway, but if you are would you submit yourself to such an endeavor, whereby you and all your descendants would one day live in paradise forever?

The Christian concept of the end is being played out even as we speak. What I find sad is that most Christians would not be chosen, whereas many others of different creeds will be and even those who have no theological beliefs at all. In any case ..... Most of you will never know this is going on until it is too late, but if you did know, would you even want to be chosen and undergo the necessary brainwashing?


~GK~
 
The internet is filled with information that is false. It's important to discern the source and to corroborate that information with reputable ones.
And thanks for lending one more rational voice to the thread.
It sounds like you are not wishing to drink the kool-aid. I truly do appreciate that quality. However, if you lack the experience to discern kool-aid from kool aid, then how will you discern what is a rational or an irrational source? How will you discern who is providing you kool-aid, and who is trying to provide you kool aid? I can only see where I misunderstood Victor. I can't see yet where Victor is any less rational than you are. As an example, you say that a person should seek advice from a reputable source, but then you share and obtain information here on a forum with people that you don't really know. Are you an astronomer? An astrologer? Experienced with visions? From my viewpoint, your words seem to shoot yourself down as being a rational voice. Why should I believe you as a source of information to discredit Victor's vision?
 
I can't see yet where Victor is any less rational than you are.

That's cool. If you can't see the difference then I have two options. I can either attempt to demonstrate the difference based on evidence and logical argument, or I can shrug my shoulders and conclude that everybody has a different capacity to understand and accept scientific evidence and leave it at that.

Time does not allow a detailed rebuttal because I'm leaving town for a few days on business, so today I'll have to be content to just shrug. Perhaps when I return we can pick the conversation back up.

I will simply leave you with this thought: scientific evidence is open for examination. It is refutable. It is testable. If you have any issues with the data I provided that show planetary positions for the date 12/21/2012, then by all means please provide evidence to refute it.

I look forward to examining it upon my return.
 
That's cool. If you can't see the difference then I have two options. I can either attempt to demonstrate the difference based on evidence and logical argument, or I can shrug my shoulders and conclude that everybody has a different capacity to understand and accept scientific evidence and leave it at that.

Time does not allow a detailed rebuttal because I'm leaving town for a few days on business, so today I'll have to be content to just shrug. Perhaps when I return we can pick the conversation back up.

I will simply leave you with this thought: scientific evidence is open for examination. It is refutable. It is testable. If you have any issues with the data I provided that show planetary positions for the date 12/21/2012, then by all means please provide evidence to refute it.

I look forward to examining it upon my return.
Trying to resolve n-body problems using irrational numbers is interesting. Until a person has tried to resolve one though, they talk about a scientific method and may not really see the mystery in it. Sort of like GPS: fantastic information tool, from smart individuals, yet merely following it tends to make you dumb. Your scientific method looked to me a little like Victor's conjecture, which was not really the vision that he described.
 
Until a person has tried to resolve one though, they talk about a scientific method and may not really see the mystery in it.

Just enough time for one more short reply...

The only question here is whether there will be a perfect alignment of planets on 12/21/2012.

I presented evidence to show that's not true.

Do you wish to refute that evidence?
 
That's cool. If you can't see the difference then I have two options. I can either attempt to demonstrate the difference based on evidence and logical argument, or I can shrug my shoulders and conclude that everybody has a different capacity to understand and accept scientific evidence and leave it at that.

Time does not allow a detailed rebuttal because I'm leaving town for a few days on business, so today I'll have to be content to just shrug. Perhaps when I return we can pick the conversation back up.

I will simply leave you with this thought: scientific evidence is open for examination. It is refutable. It is testable. If you have any issues with the data I provided that show planetary positions for the date 12/21/2012, then by all means please provide evidence to refute it.

I look forward to examining it upon my return.
Did any of your online tools list the plane of the ecliptic? That is the plane that the earth revolves around the sun at. What you would be looking for is the celestial latitude measurement for each planet, so see if they are all within the plane of the ecliptic. I think that is prolly what Victor was referring to, rather than conjunctions. Most of the planets are pretty close to the earth's plane of the ecliptic most of the time, except Pluto, whose orbital plane is tilted in respect to the rest of the planets in the solar system.
 
Hi SeattleGal —
Most of the planets are pretty close to the earth's plane of the ecliptic most of the time, except Pluto, whose orbital plane is tilted in respect to the rest of the planets in the solar system.
Is that why Pluto got fired?

God bless,

Thomas
 
I think Victor may be on to something .... I have had similar thoughts/visions that pertain to a "new age" or a new "beginning" for our world. We have put our hands to the plow and it is time to reap that which we have sown and/or become the change we wish to see in the world. It can be no other way as far as I can tell. It is time to wake up and realize our responsibilities to our fellow man. It doesn't take a great visionary to see that our world is headed to hell in a hand basket.

Intolerance and religious fundamentalism is growing across the globe, so it is only a matter of time until we either wake up as a collective body, or allow our worlds leaders to destroy the majority of the population. Some say it just isn't possible, but a nuclear winter may very well be in our near future, and those who survive (If it occurs) we be responsible for building a new society, a new world, a better world.

The globe is being sifted as we speak for people who will, when the walls come crumbling down, be best suited for the task of creating a new world .... One that is designed to keep the masses on an equal playing field, where true justice and equality can be realized by those who were chosen to be a part of this project. They will save as many worthy bodies as possible, as well as several species of animals in the event of a global nuclear war, and place them somewhere safe as the rest of humanity is destroyed.

The endeavor itself is called Project J.E.S.U.S. (Justice, equality, service, unity, and strength). The chosen few will be responsible for the survival, the evolution of our kind, and to usher in a new world, a "paradise" on earth. Ones track record of service to others will be vital in regard to who is chosen. Indeed, only those who have submitted their lives to the service of others will be chosen to inherit the new earth, and they will include people of all walks of life, and of every creed and color.

The list is being made, written in what is now called the book of life, while project J.E.S.U.S. is firmly in place .... ready to be instituted even today.


It won't be long until the chosen are herded like cattle to be deemed worthy of life, where they will be separated like sheep are from the goats. Some will be chosen to inherit the new world, while others will refuse to submit and be cast into the darkness of the coming nuclear fallout. There are entities existing in our world today who are doing the choosing. They have been watching us (All of us) and keeping record of our words, our actions, and our dispositions towards others. They have a keen eye when it comes to knowing the condition of a mans heart.

During the nuclear winter, those chosen will be taught, some would call it "brainwashed" into behaving a certain way, whereby it will be impossible for them to create anything other than paradise on earth after they are released from the safety of the project itself. The question is, would you submit to project J.E.S.U.S. or would you choose the death that would result from a global nuclear war? If you are not fit to be chosen, it doesn't matter anyway, but if you are would you submit yourself to such an endeavor, whereby you and all your descendants would one day live in paradise forever?

The Christian concept of the end is being played out even as we speak. What I find sad is that most Christians would not be chosen, whereas many others of different creeds will be and even those who have no theological beliefs at all. In any case ..... Most of you will never know this is going on until it is too late, but if you did know, would you even want to be chosen and undergo the necessary brainwashing?


~GK~

The Christian concept of the end is being played out even as we speak.

And what end is that? Nothing is going to happen in 2011, 2012 or any other date these morons cook up. It's scare monger tactics to sell books and movies......220 + end time dates have been set since 46 BC and nothing happened...in the year 1000 people were led to believe that this jesus was returning. Sold off everything they owned and were left sitting in the cold when it did not happen....2000 years this prediction as been going on and 2000 years it's been a complete failure and destroyed millions of lives in the process its time to end the hoax and tell people the truth!
 
And what end is that? Nothing is going to happen in 2011, 2012 or any other date these morons cook up. It's scare monger tactics to sell books and movies......220 + end time dates have been set since 46 BC and nothing happened...in the year 1000 people were led to believe that this jesus was returning. Sold off everything they owned and were left sitting in the cold when it did not happen....2000 years this prediction as been going on and 2000 years it's been a complete failure and destroyed millions of lives in the process its time to end the hoax and tell people the truth!

The post was err tongue in cheek. Sorry to cause any misunderstanding. :eek:
 
Hi SeattleGal —

Is that why Pluto got fired?

God bless,

Thomas

One of the reasons. An astro-blog had a post, "Venus is like the cheerleader, and Jupiter the captain of the football team; but Pluto was that goth chick who sits in the corner writing poems about dead birds."
 
The post was err tongue in cheek. Sorry to cause any misunderstanding. :eek:

Not a problem...was not directed at you...venting at the people who continually put this stuff out with no other motive than to be the center of attention and haul in the $$$$$$$$$ :D
 
Just enough time for one more short reply...

The only question here is whether there will be a perfect alignment of planets on 12/21/2012.

I presented evidence to show that's not true.

Do you wish to refute that evidence?
If I understood Victor correctly, the question was: 'when will this madness end?' I don't think Victor sees madness in the alignment of the planets, do you? It seems to me the planets are in perfect alignment every day of every year, though I know I can't prove that to you, nor provide you with sufficient evidence. I find that an n-body problem is impossible for any-body to resolve... towards perfect alignment.
 
Hi Bobx —
"Venus is like the cheerleader, and Jupiter the captain of the football team; but Pluto was that goth chick who sits in the corner writing poems about dead birds."
Love it!
 
If I understood Victor correctly, the question was: 'when will this madness end?' I don't think Victor sees madness in the alignment of the planets, do you? It seems to me the planets are in perfect alignment every day of every year, though I know I can't prove that to you, nor provide you with sufficient evidence. I find that an n-body problem is impossible for any-body to resolve... towards perfect alignment.

Have you considered a career in politics? That post hints to a talent for obfuscation that should not go to waste.

But for the record, yes, I too find the alignment of planets to be just fine as they are. I wouldn't change a thing. :rolleyes:
 
soo..... i've been thinking about this...

wouldn't it be the case that many ages have come and gone based upon a particular cultural frame of reference?

is there any particular reason why this age is any different or that the cultural framework of this age schema is more apt to be accurate or prophetic?

metta,

~v
 
That long ago I began to have a dream that repeated at least twice a month. I was driving high up in the hills, beautiful round-top mountains, deep green valleys.... but as the dream reocurred, the valleys began to fill with water. As the dream progressed through the following two years the water filled the road and reached the mountain tops until I dreamed of running through for my life, through houses, basements with water pouring in after me.

I have two things to share related to the above:

The first I don't know where I got the quote from, but here it is "There is a river flowing now very fast. It is so great and swift, that there are those who will be afraid. They will try to hold on to the shore. They will feel they are being torn apart and will suffer greatly. Know the river has its destination. The elders say we must let go of the shore, push off into the middle of the river, keep our eyes open,and our heads above the water. And I say, see who is in there with you and celebrate." so, celebrate this vision.

the second is about a prophecy that comes from an ancient Hawaiian chant that there will be a great "wave to be called Kai-a-ka-hulumanu which means 'sea of the bird feathers' because a sea of waves will pour over the mountains killing the birds living in the trees" . The inner meaning of the prophecy is a positive thing however, not a negative event. It is all good. he hawai'i au, poh
 
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Have you considered a career in politics? That post hints to a talent for obfuscation that should not go to waste.

But for the record, yes, I too find the alignment of planets to be just fine as they are. I wouldn't change a thing. :rolleyes:
A simulation is only as good as the information that goes into it. I was keying off a different definition for your term, 'perfect alignment'. The ability to measure and predict the position and momentum of multiple objects in space through time is never perfect. It is always an approximation, and current models could become inaccurate due to unforseen changes. I would say the alignment appears to always be perfect, but man's knowledge of that alignment using scientific methods will never be perfect.
 
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