The Present Age Passing Away

Victor said:
The info you used shows the planets moving toward a 'gathering' point which is basically what I said...
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Victor, if you had used the tools that I linked to you'd have found that there is no alignment happening on December 21, 2012. I've included screen shots using the web tools that I linked to previously that show the results from midnight on that date.

Please note once again that the two websites corroborate each other's results.

How do you account for this? Is it possible that you could be mistaken in your notion of an impending planetary alignment?
 

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This will sound a little skeptical, but my experience is that people with an escatological bent tend to get really dire as they approach their own demise. There is internal pressure to finish one's work and wrap it all up, and folks who have been looking forward to, and hoping for the end of things would really like to see it all occur before they pass.

Chris
 
citizenzen said:
What's wrong with sounding a little skeptical?

Victor has provided us ample reason to be skeptical.
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Victor is a guy from before your time here. He contributed a lot of really interesting stuff which I enjoyed reading. My point is general: I find that there is a process of closing down that occurs after middle age as a person tries to consolidate their mental processes and looks for confirmation that their world view is correct. There's a point where you either realize your essential fallibility and open up to uncertainty, or you calcify and close down. As I head toward fifty I understand this choice more and more. That's all I'm saying.

Chris
 
To all as best I can:
Noted: I have had these visions since I was 7... EVERY ONE OF THEM HAS COME TRUE EXCTLY AS I HAD THEM! I am out to prove nothing, I have nothing to prove. I have no respensibility to share them with anyone. I never asked to have them... and by the way, I never asked to be a child prodigy in music at the age of 9, it nearly drove me crazy and possibly you may think it did! I thought this important enough to share. The test? The week of Thanksgiving... between the 17th and the 24th of November 2011. Not so long to wait is it? I'm patient, and I do not look down or scoff at those who have never shared this life experience. You cannot possibly understand..... now, citizenzen, obviously I got the info on the planetary alignment from an irresponsible source. I am not a astronmical or astrological expert. Please note that I have given myself a bit of leeway on the date.... also for luecy7. For China Cat Sunflower, I never receieved my theological education from any human being and my studies took me through three universities over 26 years for secondary issues and three major theological thesis published for over 10 years! By the way, along with the gift of sight, I am Empathic, know when I will leave this pleasant little glob of dirt and how! I am satisfied that earthly gain, power and money have never influenced me.... and that's probably why I continue to exist on Social Security, which is an oxymoron! Sorry if I disappointed anyone but lets see what happens in November, okay?

Brian, thanks for the fresh air! Take care.
 
Oh, citizenzen, the planetary issue was NOT part of my visions. It came from another source altogether. Thanks for proving them wrong. We can possibly bypass some sources from which a world-wide event might occur. Aside from that, I made a statement about knowing the end of my material existence.... it doesn't bother me a bit and certainly has not prompted me to 'finalize' any work I may consider unfinished. I'll just let it lay around until the next life!
 
Hey Victor, thanks for contributions to this site which I've enjoyed. You will, perhaps, forgive our normal skepticism of people's prophetic proclivities. I'm sure you can think of any number of encounters you've had with folks who put out similar meanderings. And since there's no way of accurately verifying your proclamations we'll all just have to wait and see. Good luck, and if you're right I'll post a public retraction, but in the event you're wrong I'm sure you'll understand when I rip you a new one.

Chris
 
citizenzen, Sunflower.....
the planetary alignment is all over the internet, that's where I saw it. Did I misinterpret what I read? And I do not accept an 'end of the world' event! I went to ask.com and put in: december 21 2012 planet alignment..

Search Results 2012 Planet Alignment
2012 planet alignment is going to happen. Will the 2012 planet alignment create doomsday! What does the 2012 Mayan calendar predict. Will We Die in 2012?
2012 Planet Alignment - Cached
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2012 Planet Alignment - Mayan Calendar 2012 and Nostradamus 2012 Prophecies and More!
2012planetalignment.org - Cached

You are all very kind, that's why I am at peace in here.... will be back later, much to do over Lent... I'm an Elder in the Church (PCUSA) Hey, an old man has to do something with his life experience.
 
Victor said:
... the planetary alignment is all over the internet, that's where I saw it.
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The internet is filled with information that is false. It's important to discern the source and to corroborate that information with reputable ones.

The problem is that you've thrown in your hat with end-of-the-world believers and not astronomers. If you want to know the position of planets, I don't recommend looking for that information in Revelations. Likewise, if I wanted to know the latest theories about Armageddon, I wouldn't seek advice from an astronomer.

Our knowledge of our solar system and the position of planets is open to anybody who wishes to seek it. If our space program is advanced enough to put a man on the Moon, rovers on Mars, orbit satellites around Jupiter and Saturn, and plunge probes into head-on into moving comets, then I'm going to assume that they know where these objects actually are.

If you wish to believe others who say that those objects exist somewhere else entirely, then that is your choice.

Not a wise choice... but one you are free to make.
 
Victor said:
citizenzen, Sunflower.....
the planetary alignment is all over the internet, that's where I saw it. Did I misinterpret what I read? And I do not accept an 'end of the world' event! I went to ask.com and put in: december 21 2012 planet alignment..

Sorry had to remove your links that stupid rule

You are all very kind, that's why I am at peace in here.... will be back later, much to do over Lent... I'm an Elder in the Church (PCUSA) Hey, an old man has to do something with his life experience.
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Go here:
Cannot post links some stupid rule about 10 or more posts.

The Mayan Calendar was not mean't as an end time event it's just the end of an ancient calendar. Google May 21, 2011 and see what you get? This is a whacked out prediction by a fellow called Harold Camping. Also take a look at this:

Cannot post links some stupid rule about 10 or more posts.

Since 46 BC there have been more than 220 of these date setting predictions and none have happened. Hollywood and money grubbing authors have turned 2012 into a money pit. Y2K, 1984 all reported as end time years nothing happened. Nothing is going to happen at least not in these predictions anyway.
 
Raven said:
Cannot post links some stupid rule about 10 or more posts.
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It helps to keep the spammers down.

But just a couple more posts and you're good to go.

And thanks for lending one more rational voice to the thread.
 
It is not for you to know the date and time (Job 8:9) NKJV
9 For we were born yesterday, and know nothing,
Because our days on earth are a shadow. (Proverbs 27:1)
1 Do not boast about tomorrow,
For you do not know what a day may bring forth.
(Matthew 24:36 - 44)
No One Knows the Day or Hour

36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
Be prepared, repent of sin, repent of miss deeds, forgive and ask to be forgiven, be born-again and don’t worry. TBN will be broadcasting Christian TV in to Israel starting this year Israel is only 10 percent Christian now, so give them a few years. Then those who were first will be last, those who were last will be first.
 
namaste everyone...

you know i've read this thread from start to finish three times now and yet i have no idea what it is that we're actually talking about.

what the heck does "present age" mean?

how does an age "pass away"?

if an age can "pass away" can that age be prolonged or resuscitated?

why would distant celestial objects have any discernable influence upon the earth given that gravity is the weakest of the four fundamental forces?

my Gregorian calendar starts over every 365 days, why is the Mayan Long Count calendar starting over any different than the Gregorian one?

when ideas like "the whole world will know" are used does that idea include people that are not connected to television or the internet? if so, how would we be able to know this? if not, would that invalidate the prophetic vision?

i'm a being that attempts to found their views/beliefs based on evidence. i've got a bloody boatload of subjective evidence which establishes the correctness of my beliefs/views and that works great for me. however if i wish to convince others of my views/beliefs i must use another sort of evidence, intersubjective evidence. is there any intersubjective evidence to establish the attribution of the previous visions fulfillment?

metta,

~jae
 
Well, I just wanted to note where I heard about the alignment. I did not realize that in doing so I was validating anyone's 'end-of-the-world' theory. I know we are all in sorrow for the living souls in Japan! The tsunami is spreading across the Pacific... even supposed to reach L.A. this A.M. I heard that from the media, but it could be a rumor spread by some radical... but whatever, it's all going to get a lot worse before November. And please, don't quote from Job. The Book of Job is not about a living person, but rather a Rabbinical allegory on God's perfect servant. Enjoy, this is Victor G signing off for the millenium!
 
Victor said:
The tsunami is spreading across the Pacific... even supposed to reach L.A. this A.M. I heard that from the media, but it could be a rumor spread by some radical...
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Not a radical... just a newscaster.

And the tsunami will reach L.A.

Though it will probably be too small to have much of an impact.


Prayers for Japan. _/!\_
 
Vajradhara said:
namaste everyone...

you know i've read this thread from start to finish three times now and yet i have no idea what it is that we're actually talking about.

what the heck does "present age" mean?

how does an age "pass away"?

if an age can "pass away" can that age be prolonged or resuscitated?

why would distant celestial objects have any discernable influence upon the earth given that gravity is the weakest of the four fundamental forces?

my Gregorian calendar starts over every 365 days, why is the Mayan Long Count calendar starting over any different than the Gregorian one?

when ideas like "the whole world will know" are used does that idea include people that are not connected to television or the internet? if so, how would we be able to know this? if not, would that invalidate the prophetic vision?

i'm a being that attempts to found their views/beliefs based on evidence. i've got a bloody boatload of subjective evidence which establishes the correctness of my beliefs/views and that works great for me. however if i wish to convince others of my views/beliefs i must use another sort of evidence, intersubjective evidence. is there any intersubjective evidence to establish the attribution of the previous visions fulfillment?

metta,

~jae
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Its really not complicated....The Age of Pieces is passing and we are moving into the Age of Aquarius, Zodiac stuff....the Age of Aquarius is supposedly to be a an age of rebirth. Sound familiar? (Mayans). There have been numerous adjustments to the Gregorian calendar so no one really knows when the Age of Pieces really started.... if you Google it you will find tons of links on it.....this jesus was supposed to have lived during the Age of Pieces hence the fish connection....
 
hi Raven,

thanks for the post.

ok.. i'll bite. what is an "age of Aquarius" supposed to actually mean? does the term age here just indicate the starting and stopping of some epoch or planetary alignment?

metta,

~jae
 
Vajradhara said:
hi Raven,

thanks for the post.

ok.. i'll bite. what is an "age of Aquarius" supposed to actually mean? does the term age here just indicate the starting and stopping of some epoch or planetary alignment?

metta,

~jae
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Yes basically...an astrological age is 2,150 years, Aquarius is the astrological sign know as the water bearer..the Zodical Ages are referred to as the Precession of the equinoxes) if you check out this link it will tell you more. The below link will explain more on the Age of Aquarius:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Aquarius

There is a particular subject name for this its called AstroTheology its short term definition is worship of the heavens.
 
Vajradhara said:
ok.. i'll bite. what is an "age of Aquarius" supposed to actually mean?
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From wikipedia...


Each astrological age is approximately 2,150 years-long, on average, but there are various methods of calculating this length that may yield longer or shorter time spans depending upon the technique used.

The approximate 2150 years for each age corresponds to the gyration of the Earth's northern zenith points toward each of the twelve Zodiac regions in the sky (Earth's 25,800 year gyroscopic precession divided by the twelve Zodiac points).

Unlike sun-sign astrology where the first sign is Aries, followed by Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, and Pisces, whereupon the cycle returns to Aries and through the zodiacal signs again, the astrological ages proceed in the opposite direction or order – normally termed retrograde. Therefore, the Age of Aquarius follows the Age of Pisces. It has been said that we are currently shifting into the Aquarian Age.​


Or it's a song from the musical Hair and later released by the 5th Dimension...

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