bob x
Well-Known Member
This is well-known as the latest addition to the New Testament, appearing in Latin texts only, during the sixth century AD.
radarmark
Quaker-in-the-Making
No. Oh, I forgot, for you we are not Christians.
Pax et amor vincunt omnia. radarmark
Pax et amor vincunt omnia. radarmark
radarmark
Quaker-in-the-Making
Well, let us just agree to disagree. 1John1:5 is scientifically discernable as an addition, besides why did not the early Church Fathers bother to use it as source material when they were discussing the Trinity during the Nicean era?
If being a trinitarian is necessary to being a Christian, what about the other famous fractures -- like monophysitism or Revelations (the Ethiopeans do not consider it part of canon, the Armenians rcommend you do not believe it, no Orthodox Church uses it in Litergy). Do these beleifs (which go back much further than your or my Protestantism) make them "Sects" or "cults"?
It is possible to consider Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three separate divine entities or aspects of one entity whgich is greater than any of the three and still believe in the literal diety of Christ Jesus. These may be different than your beliefs but I (and most of the world) do not believe either against him or his teachings.
P.S. the vast majority of Quakers are trinitarians, we are not very exclusionist, so unitarians, universalists, Buddhists, Jews, atheists, and pagans all are welcome (at least to most Meetings).
If you wish to consider these groups along with Unitarians, Universalists, and Quakers as "sects" or "cults" that is an abuse of either term. If you believe that non-Trinitarians and Monophysmatics and the Armenian Church and the Ethiopean Church and the Coptic Church all "against him and Christian teachings", I suggest you pay attention to the plank in your eye before you point out the mote in ours.
Pax et amor vincunt omnia, radarmark
If being a trinitarian is necessary to being a Christian, what about the other famous fractures -- like monophysitism or Revelations (the Ethiopeans do not consider it part of canon, the Armenians rcommend you do not believe it, no Orthodox Church uses it in Litergy). Do these beleifs (which go back much further than your or my Protestantism) make them "Sects" or "cults"?
It is possible to consider Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three separate divine entities or aspects of one entity whgich is greater than any of the three and still believe in the literal diety of Christ Jesus. These may be different than your beliefs but I (and most of the world) do not believe either against him or his teachings.
P.S. the vast majority of Quakers are trinitarians, we are not very exclusionist, so unitarians, universalists, Buddhists, Jews, atheists, and pagans all are welcome (at least to most Meetings).
If you wish to consider these groups along with Unitarians, Universalists, and Quakers as "sects" or "cults" that is an abuse of either term. If you believe that non-Trinitarians and Monophysmatics and the Armenian Church and the Ethiopean Church and the Coptic Church all "against him and Christian teachings", I suggest you pay attention to the plank in your eye before you point out the mote in ours.
Pax et amor vincunt omnia, radarmark
Saltmeister
The Dangerous Dinner
It's supposed to be "the water, the blood and the baptism" according to modern scholars.
There are three main things that make up a living being. Spirit which is pure whole body consciousness, the soul which is a multicolored light that is literal emotion, and the body which is the senses part like a skin. The actual trinity has two aspects to it. One is the individual union of these three parts. The other aspect is wholeness. A being that has "infinite" life consists of two halfs of opposite genders that mirror each other anatomically. These two have a threefold(trinity) consciousness that is each individually but also one as well. This along with the union of body soul and spirit makes us whole again. I do believe that one individual can be brought into the separate state but is still connected to its opposite. Just talking about the male aspect of the Creator(s) is only half the picture. Please dont confuse eternal life with infinite life. Eternities are measured, infinite life is never ending.
They are simply symbolic terms to reprsent spirit soul and body but also each terms element is related to that reality.