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Not that I recommend TM, mantras are not useful, you are just distracting the mind rather than actually relaxing it... totally different. I am just seeing whether his words hit a chord with anyone really, perhaps hearing it from a man that actually teaches the topic will allow people to be more open to the validity of the subject? We'll see, I am at a loss personally of where else to go, so I hope so.
radarmark
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That is one physicist's opinion. It is my opinion (and I have my degree in nuclear physics as well) that he might be right, but it is not provable within QM.
Pax et amor vincunt omnia, radarmark
Pax et amor vincunt omnia, radarmark
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I consider quantum physics to be theory based on fact and not fact, it is interesting to explore though.
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I think this is where I err, in the unified field theories, in quantum mechanics, I see an experience I have had being explained rationally and I think people will comprehend it. Thing is, perhaps I am projecting this onto their words and thus people who haven't experienced do not see the same thing because it is more raw to them, they aren't looking for this approximation. It is just that those that despise religion can go along with Science, and through rational thought I think most religious people can come to terms with it as well. Somehow, it must be realized by all because otherwise this planet cannot continue, how to do it though?
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Have you attempted to experience it first hand? Can you go so deep into consciousness that you can reach the unified field within your own being? Certainly, this is not scientific truth, no, it is genuine proven truth if you have experienced it yourself - then how can you question?
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Pharmacuticals "relax" the mind.
It is written:
"The Mind is the greatest friend or the greatest enemy"
In eastern disciplines "Mantra Meditation" is the definition of "Meditation".
I recommend TM to everyone ---as I have posted here:
http://www.interfaith.org/forum/classical-silent-mantra-meditation-12727.html
Meditation focuses the mind on the "Conscious-Self" ---by avoiding mental 'stream-of-consciousness' ramblings and distractions and whimsical day-dreaming.
Meditation allows the attention of one's own consciousness to be 'un-dividedly' or 'single-mindedly' aware 'in-the-moment', it allows one to be in the Zone.
Mantra-meditation allows one to become aware of the singular individual conscious-being ---rather than to identify "One's Self" as part of the mundane Group-Think that is in vogue.
The self within is made of Brahman ---the unified field is called Brahman.
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You have qualified it "mantra meditation", there are two words. If you have had to qualify, how can it be truth? In fact, you have defined your own tradition as the only Eastern discipline. Yet, I am not for any Eastern discipline either because it is just activity, for what? None of these activities assist in the goal, they are just busy work until you are ready to realize the goal is already the case.
That is the point though, mantra's allow the mind to be single-minded, it is a mind exercise - this is not meditation, this will not flower. Correct meditation is difficult to master, so always these exercises are provided so you know where meditation is - it can help with this. Eventually you must arrive at a place, though, where none of the activities are necessary, it is just you state.
Meditation is merely surrendering completely to this very moment, being totally still inwardly, not reacting to anything. At first it is necessary to not engage in movement even of the body, but it can be possible to stay centered and perfectly still inwardly while completing tasks as well.
This is the whole trouble, we cannot even agree on the words so how can we use them to point at truth?
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I can not find logic in this Proclamation.
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Authentic authoritative Meditation is . . . Authentic & authoritative meditation.
The results are obtained by samurai and Monks since time-immemorial.
Many Conflate this Authentic & authoritative tradition with the daily headlines thinking that one is connected to the other.
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You're such a sweet person. To be honest, you annoy me to no end at times when you state your word as fact. But I also feel...perhaps sorry for you...
It must be terrible to have this...understanding of the world and also feel that you have to spread the word to save the world. I don't know you very well, but I would make a guess it would be that you don't have a very good understanding of how, some, other people think.
What I see is that you assume the position of teacher, before proving you ability as such. Not many will listen to you if you're not a little more...humble.
As I read though this I understand that it is a bit hash, but I really wish you all the best and I just want you to understand how, some, other people view you, even if you don't intend to change anything.
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You say it is a technique for focusing the mind, but every teacher will talk about no-mind. Focusing strengthens the mind, so you are going in the totally wrong direction. Mind is exactly the nature of maya, it is the illusion and doubt generator.
The master has assigned these tasks for a simple reason: you are not yet ready for proper meditation. Yoga positions, mantras, prayer, whatever, it is all for a basic purpose. It is to take focus away from mind, but they are all actions of the mind. The mind is focusing on the yoga position, mind is remembering the mantra to chant, mind it thinking of what to say in prayer, but at least it is not occupied with itself. When the mind can learn to shut up, which is the exact purpose of these techniques, then real meditation can begin, then you can venture towards the void - not before, mind cannot conceive of void, so how can it come on the journey?
The master has assigned these tasks for a simple reason: you are not yet ready for proper meditation. Yoga positions, mantras, prayer, whatever, it is all for a basic purpose. It is to take focus away from mind, but they are all actions of the mind. The mind is focusing on the yoga position, mind is remembering the mantra to chant, mind it thinking of what to say in prayer, but at least it is not occupied with itself. When the mind can learn to shut up, which is the exact purpose of these techniques, then real meditation can begin, then you can venture towards the void - not before, mind cannot conceive of void, so how can it come on the journey?
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This is your whole issue, your seeking is of mind, of ego. You want to master, you want to achieve, you want to be the best seeker there has ever been - all ego. Mind is involved, it is qualifying everything, it is saying "yes, I agree, this is valid and makes sense to me". Who is this "I" to make sense of it, though? This is what is to be sought, nothing else.
Placebo's too, are of mind, if you understand this, it is not useful to even bother having a placebo. Just know you will get better and it will be so, this is the power of the mind, but no one correlates.
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Prove that anyone has awakened during a mantra and I will accept its validation - it has never happened.
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Again, I can not find logic in this Proclamation.
I quote authorities as mentors.
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Maybe the path to "Voiding" one's self is known by some? But not others?
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You are partly correct, except this is my proving ground. I do not even discuss such topics when I am out and about - I only point out things relevant to discussion. I have not had a single feedback of anything I have said that is effective in finding truth yet, though, so how can I pursue it in my community?
Bhaktajan II
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Please explain. I do not follow as such.
Please don't ask question upon question-- after expositions that contradict each other.
Remember, some thinkers use the reasoning skills from Venus others are from Mars.
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Logic is of mind, so it pleases me that logic cannot decipher the statement.
You do not void yourself, the void is Brahman in your literature. The only ones that cannot journey there are the ones that think they cannot - again, the mind wants to doubt... "why should I be able to? krishna is an incarnation of god! I am merely a man"...
If Krishna is an avatar, then so am I, but I tell you it is nothing special. Krishna is merely a man whose teachings have become popular - I can name thousands of other teachers perhaps more profound!
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This pseudo stuff makes me ill.
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I have already explained, this statement is merely a direct example. Maya is mind, awakening is pure consciousness. You awaken from the lies of mind, the projections of mind, the perceptions. How can you utilize maya to escape maya? Even in contemplation or concentration exercises, you must arrive at a place where you realize you are not the doer. You can watch this practice as it is taking place, can a mirror reflect itself?
If you have a feminine mind, be worshipful at all times, fill with love until it begins to spill out of you. Every morning, meditate solely on unceasing love. You will hit instances where it will feel like it is too much, but your capacity will grow more and more.
Still, mind cannot be involved, it must all be from the spiritual heart. Still, it is not useful to perform all these distractions.