Rapture reality or not?

So where does the rapture fit into this view? For example: It is written that "the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption, and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God." (Romans 8:19-21)

Do you mean the human sons or the literal divine ones like Michael the Archangel?
 
Dont you think that a miracle of this kind should happen so that those in the world can see that maybe their destructive behaviors isnt getting them anywhere they really want to be?

I think the children of life will come together one day and free creation from its bondage to corruption, or rather be caught up together with (In) Christ and work together to not only free creation from bondage, but also usher in a new Eden (Paradise).
 
I think the children of life will come together one day and free creation from its bondage to corruption, or rather be caught up together with (In) Christ and work together to not only free creation from bondage, but also usher in a new Eden (Paradise).

Wouldnt these children of life have to have the power of life to combat the others? The archangels do. Daniel....At that time Michael shall stand up the prince who protects the people. This refers literally to the
Archangel Michael on earth at the time of the fulfillment of that verse.
 
Do you mean the human sons or the literal divine ones like Michael the Archangel?

Of course I mean humanity ..... Those whom have been reconciled with the divine essence of life itself. 1Co 6:3 "Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life!"
 
Of course I mean humanity ..... Those whom have been reconciled with the divine essence of life itself. 1Co 6:3 "Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life!"

That phrase really means to judge your own divine selves not the heavenly beings in gods kingdom or from gods kingdom. Michael the Archangel is literally GODS firstborn son of the heavenly kingdom much bigger than the human adam and consists of much more light. Since this kingdom is a smaller version of this kingdom in its image do you think anyone in this kingdom has the right or power to judge anyone from the heavenly kingdom?

Remember the fallen angel tried to raise himself above god human beings shouldnt try to raise themselves above elohim. Archangels are really elohim. Its all about being one big happy family. Its not about judgement its about love.
 
Wouldnt these children of life have to have the power of life to combat the others? The archangels do. Daniel....At that time Michael shall stand up the prince who protects the people. This refers literally to the
Archangel Michael on earth at the time of the fulfillment of that verse.

Don't underestimate the power of Christ's body, that which we (Humanity) represent. Likewise, don't underestimate the power of love to create the change I speak of through us. You are of course free to your own interpretations, but many have awoken from the slumber and have realized that the earth is in our hands.
 
Of course I mean humanity ..... Those whom have been reconciled with the divine essence of life itself. 1Co 6:3 "Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life!"

Don't underestimate the power of Christ's body, that which we (Humanity) represent. Likewise, don't underestimate the power of love to create the change I speak of through us. You are of course free to your own interpretations, but many have awoken from the slumber and have realized that the earth is in our hands.

I am not saying you cant do it , more power to you but you do need his help and you will need that power. There are seals literally and they will be opened when He OPENS THE SEALS.
 
That phrase really means to judge your own divine selves not the heavenly beings in gods kingdom or from gods kingdom. Michael the Archangel is literally GODS firstborn son of the heavenly kingdom much bigger than the human adam and consists of much more light. Since this kingdom is a smaller version of this kingdom in its image do you think anyone in this kingdom has the right or power to judge anyone from the heavenly kingdom?

Remember the fallen angel tried to raise himself above god human beings shouldnt try to raise themselves above elohim. Archangels are really elohim. Its all about being one big happy family. Its not about judgement its about love.

We are gods (elohim). "Is it not written in your Law, 'I said, you are gods'? (John 10:34)

Albeit fallen elohim we are, yet many also risen together in Christ (The rapture).
 
I am not saying you cant do it , more power to you but you do need his help and you will need that power. There are seals literally and they will be opened when He OPENS THE SEALS.

The power comes from the Spirit (The Lord is Spirit) and the Spirit is love, no? "Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God."
 
Don't underestimate the power of Christ's body, that which we (Humanity) represent. Likewise, don't underestimate the power of love to create the change I speak of through us. You are of course free to your own interpretations, but many have awoken from the slumber and have realized that the earth is in our hands.

I definately believe in the power of love , you have no idea how much. I do know though that there really are seal openings and bindings literally that involve miracles that go hand in hand with human realities. I also know that the rapture is going to happen and for a reason. Do I believe that people can change the world for the better definately. So start doing it already
 
Don't underestimate the power of Christ's body, that which we (Humanity) represent. Likewise, don't underestimate the power of love to create the change I speak of through us. You are of course free to your own interpretations, but many have awoken from the slumber and have realized that the earth is in our hands.

I definately believe in the power of love , you have no idea how much. I do know though that there really are seal openings and bindings literally that involve miracles that go hand in hand with human realities. I also know that the rapture is going to happen and for a reason. Do I believe that people can change the world for the better definately. So start doing it already

Believe me I know all about GODs power and christs power as well. I have to go I will be back in an hour if your still posting.
 
Ripples

I definately believe in the power of love , you have no idea how much. I do know though that there really are seal openings and bindings literally that involve miracles that go hand in hand with human realities. I also know that the rapture is going to happen and for a reason. Do I believe that people can change the world for the better definately. So start doing it already


Much like a ripple created from a pebble dropped in a pond; our actions have far reaching consequences. With that being said, we start by instilling the value of love in our children, and by becoming a light to those around us.


We start by sharing our blessings with others, increasing love in the world, whereby the pebble of our own lives will create ripples, and the ripples created will affect the lives of others, and perhaps motivate them to change also, whereby the ripples of their lives will also affect the lives of others and so on.


Rome wasn’t built in a day, but with time and perseverance it was made to become a mighty nation. The same is true when it comes to the kingdom Jesus spoke of (Patience and perseverance, brother).
 
I believe a lot of people are living in a fog of their present reality not really thinking about the whole picture and caught up in the present reality and they need to see there is a divine reality.

I have met a lot of people living in a fog of their present reality BECAUSE they think there is a divine reality, i.e. that their reality awaits them not on this earth (where they should be focusing their attention, IMO) but instead in some future eternity...

We should be focusing our efforts in the present moment on helping others and making this world a better place. Easier said than done but that's my motto...
 
I have met a lot of people living in a fog of their present reality BECAUSE they think there is a divine reality, i.e. that their reality awaits them not on this earth (where they should be focusing their attention, IMO) but instead in some future eternity...

We should be focusing our efforts in the present moment on helping others and making this world a better place. Easier said than done but that's my motto...

Isnt the whole point of divine reality focusing efforts in the present on helping others and making this world a better place? The whole concept of human divine is love , compassion, kindnesss ect. So I agree with you. Its not divine reality that causes the fog I am talking about , its living in the moment not thinking about the future or even tomorrow.
 
Re: Ripples

Much like a ripple created from a pebble dropped in a pond; our actions have far reaching consequences. With that being said, we start by instilling the value of love in our children, and by becoming a light to those around us.


We start by sharing our blessings with others, increasing love in the world, whereby the pebble of our own lives will create ripples, and the ripples created will affect the lives of others, and perhaps motivate them to change also, whereby the ripples of their lives will also affect the lives of others and so on.


Rome wasn’t built in a day, but with time and perseverance it was made to become a mighty nation. The same is true when it comes to the kingdom Jesus spoke of (Patience and perseverance, brother).

Unfortunately there are other fish in the pond who like to steal pebbles and use it to create destructive waves. I believe in patience but I also believe GOD give man gifts to help him along the way and these gifts or help are needed.
 
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personally, this "rapture" thing sounds to me like a load of self-serving, tendentious bollocks thought up to make certain types of christians feel smug and superior. isn't there some series of dreadful books based on it? and what happens if you're driving a bus full of the non-caught-up at the time? their driver disappears suddenly? aren't these saved people going to be directly responsible for a lot of other people dying?

doesn't sound that holy to me.

b'shalom

bananabrain
 
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personally, this "rapture" thing sounds to me like a load of self-serving, tendentious bollocks thought up to make certain types of christians feel smug and superior. isn't there some series of dreadful books based on it? and what happens if you're driving a bus full of the non-caught-up at the time? their driver disappears suddenly? aren't these saved people going to be directly responsible for a lot of other people dying?

doesn't sound that holy to me.

b'shalom

bananabrain

My belief on the rapture is that no one that is going would be driving a bus at the time so that something like that wouldnt happen. Also its not going to be any one people or any one religion that will go but a mixture of people from all relgions and peoples that are all sealed for this event showing that its not about what religion or ethnic background you are but rather knowing who the creator truely is.
 
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Unfortunately there are other fish in the pond who like to steal pebbles and use it to create destructive waves. I believe in patience but I also believe GOD give man gifts to help him along the way and these gifts or help are needed.


I agree, but I am curious what gifts you speak of.
 
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I agree, but I am curious what gifts you speak of.

Well, each persons own personal gifts to start with. Some have the apptitude for science, some for art , some to teach ect.

Since people have these own personal gifts god gives people the knowledge through those he sends to use their gifts to make the world a better place. If mankind was left totally on their own without any guidance from GOD the world probably wouldnt be here right now. Children need guidance to help them along the path. Those he has sent are incarnated into the human body making them also a child but at the same time a prehuman divine being hence the scripture and a little child shall lead them. The problem with incarnations is that the human body is like a vail so that the predivine beings preincarnated self is inside and is only filtered out and sometime may get blocked which is where the human flaws come into play but yet the knowledge is always correct.
 
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Well, each persons own personal gifts to start with. Some have the apptitude for science, some for art , some to teach ect.

Since people have these own personal gifts god gives people the knowledge through those he sends to use their gifts to make the world a better place. If mankind was left totally on their own without any guidance from GOD the world probably wouldnt be here right now. Children need guidance to help them along the path. Those he has sent are incarnated into the human body making them also a child but at the same time a prehuman divine being hence the scripture and a little child shall lead them. The problem with incarnations is that the human body is like a vail so that the predivine beings preincarnated self is inside and is only filtered out and sometime may get blocked which is where the human flaws come into play but yet the knowledge is always correct.

May sound strange but it reminds me of a line from the movie the fifth element when the divine being says to bruce willis look at what you do with it.
 
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