The Trinity

wil said:
worthy of another thread...
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True, unfortunately the only other place where anything has been mentioned concerning Luciferianism/Satanism is in the Magic section . . . not exactly the association I would make.
 
wil said:
What I'm trying to work toward is trinities that go from the Spiritual/Divine/Heavenly realm, to the primordial ooze/creative realm, to the phyical/created realm.

There is no requirement that you play.
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no but "The Trinity" refers to the Christian Doctrine of the the Trinity, there are other things that are 3 or triunes as Thomas called them but they are not "The Trinity" not to diminish them in anyway.

eat God -> digest -> shit (religion)
 
Etu Malku said:
True, unfortunately the only other place where anything has been mentioned concerning Luciferianism/Satanism is in the Magic section . . . not exactly the association I would make.
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do you reckon you could start a thread and tell us more about Luciferianism/Satanism and what it means to you ?

I would be interested to hear about it.
 
Etu Malku said:
True, unfortunately the only other place where anything has been mentioned concerning Luciferianism/Satanism is in the Magic section . . . not exactly the association I would make.
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belief and spiritualiy, comparative religions....

or Magic (k?), (ck?).

NiceCupOfTea said:
no but "The Trinity" refers to the Christian Doctrine of the the Trinity, there are other things that are 3 or triunes as Thomas called them but they are not "The Trinity" not to diminish them in anyway.

eat God -> digest -> shit (religion)
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And in this thread the intention is to discuss metaphysical applications of that trinity.
 
wil said:
belief and spiritualiy, comparative religions....

or Magic (k?), (ck?).



And in this thread the intention is to discuss metaphysical applications of that trinity.
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thought I was actually, although your misrepresentation's of the Christian Trinity are not to my taste neither its seems are mine to yours.
 
NiceCupOfTea said:
thought I was actually, although your misrepresentation's of the Christian Trinity are not to my taste neither its seems are mine to yours.
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true, while I admittedly have many issues with organized religions your comparision of them to shit does make me uncomfortable. I see where you are going, but no it does not fit my current paradigm.
 
And that's my idea for the impossibility of Trinity:

The Absolute Unity of God



Isaiah says that, absolutely, God cannot be compared with anyone or anything, as we read Isaiah 46:5. "To whom will ye liken Me, and make Me equal to , or compare Me with, that we may be alike?"

Therefore, more than one God would have been unable to produce the world; one would have impeded the work of the other, unless this could be avoided by a suitable division of labour.

More than one Divine Being would have one element in common, and would differ in another; each would thus consist of two elements, and would not be God.

More than one God are moved to action by will; the will, without a substratum, could not act simultaneously in more than one being.

Therefore, the existence of one God is proved; the existence of more than one God cannot be proved. One could suggest that it would be possible; but since as possibility is inapplicable to God, there does not exist more than one God. So, the possibilitly of ascertaining the existence of God is here confounded with potentiality of existence.

Again, if one God suffices, a second or third God would be supperfluous; if one God is not sufficient, he is not perfect, and cannot be a deity.

Now, besides being God absolutely One, He is incorporeal. If God were corporeal, He would consist of atoms, and would not be one; or he would be comparable to other beings; but a comparison implies the existence of similar and of dissimilar elements, and God would thus not be One. A corporeal God would be finite, and an external power would be required to define those limits.

Ben:
 
Ben Masada said:
And that's my idea for the impossibility of Trinity:
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But your idea of the Trinity is based on your idea, not what the doctrine declares, so you're just refuting yourself.

The Trinity does not declare three gods — just the one, thanks.

God bless,

Thomas
 
Ben, points well taken. However you must understand that to trinitarian christians the trinity is (IMHO) merely an act of faith. An act of faith very comparable to what you stated in your argument for G!d's existence. Whereas you (on faith) believe that G!d must have created the universe because we dumb-schmuck physicists cannot explain its existence nor why it is expanding, they believe that the Trinity co-exist in unity, are co-equal, co-eternal, and are of one being.

I understand you intellectually and I understand them intellectually. I do not know what the truth is. But I do know that if these four principles (which date from before Nicea) if applied rigorously do justify the Trinity (I am not saying you or I have to beleive in such).

Pax et amore omnia vincunt!
 
radarmark said:
trinitarian christians believe that the Trinity co-exist in unity, are co-equal, co-eternal, and are of one being.
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Where's the confusion?

The universe is composed of Ying & Yang co-mingling.

Is God not the embodiment of Ying & Yang?

The Vedas say Taoist Ying & Yang is missing the tertiary component:
The Vedas say the universe is composed of the three-Gunas [sattva + raja + tamas gunas] co-mingling. These 'Gunas' cause all the inanimate elements to be in flux, and even in competition with eachother's prompting mundane material movements. [Like the two poles of a magnet repell and thus cause movement].

God delegates material energies through his own potencies to be supervised every inch of the way by Personel that have earned the merits to oversee material universal affairs on the micro-level.

The celestial Demigods are such superintendents here in the material world ---they are born and die like the rest of us common souls ---but while installed in their hard earned posts they live aristocratic lives due to theirown accrued karma-ic works.

Just as Brahma's first birth [as is the case for all sentient beings] in the Material World is a "Brahma---the first born person and projenitor and Engineer and the demigod of Raja-guna personified" . . . he too will die and anwser for the accumilated summation of all his life's works ---and he too must follow the rules of reformation and penitence before he dies so as to leave the material world and return to pastimes of God in Heaven.

When a denisen of heaven looks upon God in Heaven and thinks, "I would like to be lord of all I survey" ---they begin the path of the above mentioned Brahma. Brahma leaves the material world upon death or takes another birth with much merit and yet no recollection and many times cascades into samasara endlessly ---as had all sentient beings here in the material world of time and space.

The good news is after taking quad-drillions of births since time immemorial a soul that acheives salvation (aka, mosha or mukti) and returns to the spiritual Kingdom of God (where everything is composed of energy called Sat-chit-ananda ~eternal-cognisant-blissfull; BTW, the spirit soul is composed of this same sat-chit-ananda) ---when a soul returns to the spiritual Kingdom of God the original state of eternal self-identity of Servent of God is re-established; and, all the eons of repeated birth in the realm of time & space is experienced as an expanse of time that lasted for just the blink of an eye . . . and one resumes the reciprocal pastimes they were engaged in with God and/or God's entourage before they started taking repeated births in the material world of God's "External Energy" (God's External Energy is known as Maya, because it is temporary; Maya-Prakriti is: Created, maintained & desolved ---this is done by the three gunas).

Our spirit soul is not affected by the three Gunas ---but our egos take on all sorts of karma-accruing activities that make us falsely indentify our selves as what ever it is we find ourselves born into.

"We are spirits in the material world"
 
A tertiary color is a color made by mixing one primary color with one secondary color, in a given color space such as RGB[1] or RYB.[2]
Unlike primary and secondary colors, these are not represented by one firmly established name each, but the following examples include some typical names. Brown and grey are sometimes known as Tertiary colors and can be made by mixing complementary colors.

Tertiary color - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Is God a colored Person?

Which came first: The rainbow palate or the blank palate?
 
Thomas said:
But your idea of the Trinity is based on your idea, not what the doctrine declares, so you're just refuting yourself.

The Trinity does not declare three gods — just the one, thanks.

God bless,

Thomas
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No, my idea of Trinity is from the NT. Read Matthew 28:19. Then, we have Luke declaring that Jesus, after his passion, appeared for about 40 days to his disciples, by many infalible proofs that he was alive in flesh and bone. (Acts 1:3) There is nowhere that Jesus left his body back before he went back to heaven, according to the NT. If the Father and the Holy Spirit are pure Spirit and not in flesh, and Jesus is in flesh, it means that the three are not one. And all it takes for polytheism is just one more than one god. Therefore, viva Monotheism.
Ben
 
radarmark said:
Ben, points well taken. However you must understand that to trinitarian christians the trinity is (IMHO) merely an act of faith. An act of faith very comparable to what you stated in your argument for G!d's existence. Whereas you (on faith) believe that G!d must have created the universe because we dumb-schmuck physicists cannot explain its existence nor why it is expanding, they believe that the Trinity co-exist in unity, are co-equal, co-eternal, and are of one being.

I understand you intellectually and I understand them intellectually. I do not know what the truth is. But I do know that if these four principles (which date from before Nicea) if applied rigorously do justify the Trinity (I am not saying you or I have to beleive in such).

Pax et amore omnia vincunt!
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Hey Radarmark, I do not believe (on faith) that God must have created the universe. I do believe He might have. It means I believe on the basis of the concept of probability. I cannot declare for sure something that I do not know for sure. I would be a fool if I did it. That's what King David meant in Psalm 14:1. "Fools declare in their hearts that God does not exist." That's why they are fools. They don't know; although they behave as if they did.
Ben
 
Kewl! From a philosophical or analytical point of view that is a splended answer. So substitute an absolutist opinion of the creator G!d for my incorrect categorization of your viewpoint. I am sure you have met a few. Still works.
 
radarmark said:
Kewl! From a philosophical or analytical point of view that is a splended answer. So substitute an absolutist opinion of the creator G!d for my incorrect categorization of your viewpoint. I am sure you have met a few. Still works.
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Yes, I have met a few, especially Jesuit Astrophysicists; but better than any one I have met, I have read about one who gathers around him all the scientific credits one can achieve: Albert Einstein.
Ben
 
Ben Masada said:
No, my idea of Trinity is from the NT.
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OK. The NT can be construed many ways, not all of them correct.

Ben Masada said:
... we have Luke declaring that Jesus, after his passion, appeared for about 40 days to his disciples, by many infallible proofs that he was alive in flesh and bone. (Acts 1:3)
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Yes.

Ben Masada said:
There is nowhere that Jesus left his body back before he went back to heaven, according to the NT.
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Au contraire, mon vieux, there is rich attestation to the doctrine:
"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."
Matthew 12:40

"Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, nor suffer thy Holy One to see corruption. Thou hast made known to me the ways of life: thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance ... he spoke of the resurrection of Christ. For neither was he left in hell, neither did his flesh see corruption"
Acts 2:27-28, 31

"Because Christ also died once for our sins, the just for the unjust: that he might offer us to God, being put to death indeed in the flesh, but enlivened in the spirit, In which also coming he preached to those spirits that were in prison"
1 Peter 3:18-19

"For, for this cause was the gospel preached also to the dead: that they might be judged indeed according to men, in the flesh; but may live according to God, in the Spirit."
1 Peter 4:6

"Wherefore he saith: Ascending on high, he led captivity captive; he gave gifts to men. Now that he ascended, what is it, but because he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended above all the heavens, that he might fill all things."
Ephesians 4:9-10

Ben Masada said:
If the Father and the Holy Spirit are pure Spirit and not in flesh, and Jesus is in flesh, it means that the three are not one.
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Not so. They are three, differentiated in act and operation, but one in essence, substance and being, as much as these terms apply analogically to the Divinity. The Incarnation is a union of the divine and the human — two distinct natures in one person, inasmuch as the Divine can be termed a 'nature'.

Ben Masada said:
And all it takes for polytheism is just one more than one god.
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Quite. That's why Christianity asserts dogmatically nothing less than the One True God, and the dogma of De Deo Uno et Trino.

God bless,

Thomas
 
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