The Trinity
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What about mother daughter holy spirit? Seems everyone forgets about that. Infinite life has a six fold existence with a 7 stability existence. The 7th thing is the place where the two are one and remain one no matter what. Its where the two are connected infinitely. Each of us has only ONE opposite for infinite life. You may have more than one for eternal life, eternities are measured but for infinite life there is only one. This is the highest knowledge. Even the gods didnt know this ultimate reality.
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According to Vedic civilization, there are seven mothers, of which the cow is one.
According to Vedic understanding, the cow is considered one of our mothers because we drink her milk, just as at birth we drink our mother’s milk.
The Vedas lists seven mothers: our own mother, the wife of our teacher or spiritual master, the wife of a brahmana, the wife of the king, the nurse, the cow, and the earth.
According to scriptures also, there are seven mothers: (1) the real mother, (2) the wife of the spiritual master, (3) the wife of a brahmana, (4) the wife of the king, (5) the cow, (6) the nurse, and (7) the earth. All of them are mothers. Even by this injunction of the sastras, the stepmother, who is the wife of the father, is also as good as the mother because the father is also one of the spiritual masters.
Shakti-tattva—persons who are plenary expansions of the Lord’s internal potency; the various energies of the Lord.
The saktya-avesa-avataras are categorized into (1) forms of divine absorption (bhagavad-avesa), such as Kapiladeva or rsabhadeva, and (2) divinely empowered forms (saktyavesa), of whom seven are foremost: (1) Sesa Naga in the Vaikuntha world, empowered for the personal service of the Supreme Lord (sva-sevana-sakti), (2) Anantadeva, empowered to bear all the planets within the universe (bhU-dharana-sakti), (3) Lord Brahma, empowered with the energy to create the cosmic manifestation (srsti-sakti), (4) Catuhsana, or the Kumaras, specifically empowered to distribute transcendental knowledge (jnana-sakti), (5) Narada Muni, empowered to distribute devotional service (bhakti-sakti), (6) Maharaja Prthu, specifically empowered to rule and maintain the living entities (palana-sakti) and (7) Parasurama, specifically empowered to cut down rogues and demons (dusta-damana-sakti).
The cause of such gross ignorance is constant engagement by the materialistic man in the matter of artificially increasing material demands. To realize the Supreme Personality of Godhead, one has to purify the materialistic senses by devotional service. The mode of goodness, or the brahminical culture recommended in the Vedic literatures, is helpful to such spiritual realization, and thus the jnana-sakti stage of the conditioned soul is comparatively better than the other two stages, namely dravya-sakti and kriya-sakti. The whole material civilization is manifested by a huge accumulation of materials, or, in other words, raw materials for industrial purposes, and the industrial enterprises (kriya-sakti) are all due to gross ignorance of spiritual life. In order to rectify this great anomaly of materialistic civilization, based on the principles of dravya-sakti and kriya-sakti, one has to adopt the process of devotional service of the Lord by adoption of the principles of karma-yoga, mentioned in the Bhagavad-gita
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ananta-sakti—of unlimited potencies; madhye—in the midst; krishnera—of Lord Krishna; tina—three; sakti—potencies; pRadhana—are chief; iccha-sakti—willpower; jnana-sakti—the power of knowledge; kriya-sakti—the creative energy; nama—named.
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“Krishna has unlimited potencies, out of which three are chief—willpower, the power of knowledge and the creative energy.
Maya has two energies, the avaranatmika-sakti and the praksepatmika-sakti. The avaranatmika-sakti covers a living entity with ignorance. Even though he is living a condemned life, still he will think, “I am very happy. I am all right.” His real knowledge is covered. And the praksepatmika-sakti throws the living entity down into the ocean of material existence and keeps him there.
The more sinful one is, the more maya will prevent one from becoming Krishna conscious. That is maya’s thankless task. She is just like the police department. The police are no one’s enemy, but when someone commits a crime they arrest him, put him in jail, and punish him. Similarly, maya is engaged by the supreme authority, Krishna, to punish the sinful living entities.
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Whatever we see within the material or spiritual worlds is but an expansion of Krishna’s multifarious energies. This material world is an expansion of Krishna’s external energy (bahiraìga sakti), the spiritual world is an expansion of His internal energy (antaraìga sakti), and we living entities are an expansion of His marginal energy (tatastha sakti). We are sakti, energy. We are not the energetic.
The Mayavadi philosophers say that because the energies are not outside of Brahman, the energetic, they are all identical with Brahman. This is monism. Our Vaisnava philosophy is that the energy is simultaneously one with and different from the energetic. Again the analogy of the heat and fire: When you perceive heat, you understand that there is fire nearby. But this does not mean that because you feel some heat, you are in the fire. So the heat and the fire, the energy and the energetic, are one yet different.
Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti explains the Lord’s potencies mentioned in these verses: “Sri is the potency of wealth; Pusti that of strength; Gir, knowledge; Kanti, beauty; Kirti, fame; and Tusti, renunciation. These are the Lord’s six opulences. Ila is His bhU-sakti, also known as sandhini, the internal potency of whom the element earth is an expansion. Urja is His internal potency for performing pastimes; she expands as the tulasi plant in this world. Vidya and Avidya [knowledge and ignorance] are external potencies who cause the living entities’ liberation and bondage, respectively. Sakti is His internal pleasure potency, hladini, and Maya is an internal potency who is the basis of Vidya and Avidya. The word ca implies the presence of the Lord’s marginal energy, the jiva-sakti, who is subordinate to Maya. Lord Visnu was being served by all these personified potencies.”
Excerpts from the book Caitanya-caritamrta - Adi-lila 4:
“The cit-sakti, which is also called svarUpa-sakti or antaraìga-sakti, displays many varied manifestations. It sustains the kingdom of God and its paraphernalia.
“The external energy, called maya-sakti, is the cause of innumerable universes with varied material potencies.
“The marginal potency, which is between these two, consists of the numberless living beings. These are the three principal energies, which have unlimited categories and subdivisions.
“These are the principal manifestations and expansions of the Personality of Godhead and His three energies. They are all emanations from Sri Krishna, the Transcendence. They have their existence in Him.
Radha is the one who gives pleasure to Govinda, and She is also the enchantress of Govinda. She is the be-all and end-all of Govinda, and the crest jewel of all His consorts.
“The transcendental goddess Srimati Radharani is the direct counterpart of Lord Sri Krishna. She is the central figure for all the goddesses of fortune. She possesses all the attractiveness to attract the all-attractive Personality of Godhead. She is the primeval internal potency of the Lord.” [---from the Brhad-gautamiya-tantra. Adi 4.84]
“Devi” means “resplendent and most beautiful.” Or else it means “the lovely abode of the worship and love sports of Lord Krishna.”
“Krishna-mayi” means “one whose within and without are Lord Krishna.” She sees Lord Krishna wherever She casts Her glance.
Or “krishna-mayi” means that She is identical with Lord Krishna, for She embodies the mellows of love. The energy of Lord Krishna is identical with Him.
Her worship [aRadhana] consists of fulfilling the desires of Lord Krishna. Therefore the Puranas call Her Radhika.
“Truly the Personality of Godhead has been worshiped by Her. Therefore Lord Govinda, being pleased, has brought Her to a lonely spot, leaving us all behind.”
Therefore Radha is parama-devata, the supreme goddess, and She is worshipable for everyone. She is the protectress of all, and She is the mother of the entire universe.
I have already explained the meaning of “sarva-laksmi.” Radha is the original source of all the goddesses of fortune.
Or “sarva-laksmi” indicates that She fully represents the six opulences of Krishna. Therefore She is the supreme energy of Lord Krishna.
The word “sarva-kanti” indicates that all beauty and luster rest in Her body. All the laksmis derive their beauty from Her.
“Kanti” may also mean “all the desires of Lord Krishna.” All the desires of Lord Krishna rest in Srimati Radharani.
Srimati Radhika fulfills all the desires of Lord Krishna. This is the meaning of “sarva-kanti.”
Lord Krishna enchants the world, but Sri Radha enchants even Him. Therefore She is the supreme goddess of all.
Sri Radha is the full power, and Lord Krishna is the possessor of full power. The two are not different, as evidenced by the revealed scriptures.
They are indeed the same, just as musk and its scent are inseparable, or as fire and its heat are nondifferent.
Thus Radha and Lord Krishna are one, yet They have taken two forms to enjoy the mellows of pastimes.
I apollogise for the lengthy verbosity, just excerpts from the pages of ny mind's den,
Bhaktajan
The Mayavadi philosophers say that because the energies are not outside of Brahman, the energetic, they are all identical with Brahman. This is monism. Our Vaisnava philosophy is that the energy is simultaneously one with and different from the energetic. Again the analogy of the heat and fire: When you perceive heat, you understand that there is fire nearby. But this does not mean that because you feel some heat, you are in the fire. So the heat and the fire, the energy and the energetic, are one yet different.
Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti explains the Lord’s potencies mentioned in these verses: “Sri is the potency of wealth; Pusti that of strength; Gir, knowledge; Kanti, beauty; Kirti, fame; and Tusti, renunciation. These are the Lord’s six opulences. Ila is His bhU-sakti, also known as sandhini, the internal potency of whom the element earth is an expansion. Urja is His internal potency for performing pastimes; she expands as the tulasi plant in this world. Vidya and Avidya [knowledge and ignorance] are external potencies who cause the living entities’ liberation and bondage, respectively. Sakti is His internal pleasure potency, hladini, and Maya is an internal potency who is the basis of Vidya and Avidya. The word ca implies the presence of the Lord’s marginal energy, the jiva-sakti, who is subordinate to Maya. Lord Visnu was being served by all these personified potencies.”
Excerpts from the book Caitanya-caritamrta - Adi-lila 4:
“The cit-sakti, which is also called svarUpa-sakti or antaraìga-sakti, displays many varied manifestations. It sustains the kingdom of God and its paraphernalia.
“The external energy, called maya-sakti, is the cause of innumerable universes with varied material potencies.
“The marginal potency, which is between these two, consists of the numberless living beings. These are the three principal energies, which have unlimited categories and subdivisions.
“These are the principal manifestations and expansions of the Personality of Godhead and His three energies. They are all emanations from Sri Krishna, the Transcendence. They have their existence in Him.
Radha is the one who gives pleasure to Govinda, and She is also the enchantress of Govinda. She is the be-all and end-all of Govinda, and the crest jewel of all His consorts.
“The transcendental goddess Srimati Radharani is the direct counterpart of Lord Sri Krishna. She is the central figure for all the goddesses of fortune. She possesses all the attractiveness to attract the all-attractive Personality of Godhead. She is the primeval internal potency of the Lord.” [---from the Brhad-gautamiya-tantra. Adi 4.84]
“Devi” means “resplendent and most beautiful.” Or else it means “the lovely abode of the worship and love sports of Lord Krishna.”
“Krishna-mayi” means “one whose within and without are Lord Krishna.” She sees Lord Krishna wherever She casts Her glance.
Or “krishna-mayi” means that She is identical with Lord Krishna, for She embodies the mellows of love. The energy of Lord Krishna is identical with Him.
Her worship [aRadhana] consists of fulfilling the desires of Lord Krishna. Therefore the Puranas call Her Radhika.
“Truly the Personality of Godhead has been worshiped by Her. Therefore Lord Govinda, being pleased, has brought Her to a lonely spot, leaving us all behind.”
Therefore Radha is parama-devata, the supreme goddess, and She is worshipable for everyone. She is the protectress of all, and She is the mother of the entire universe.
I have already explained the meaning of “sarva-laksmi.” Radha is the original source of all the goddesses of fortune.
Or “sarva-laksmi” indicates that She fully represents the six opulences of Krishna. Therefore She is the supreme energy of Lord Krishna.
The word “sarva-kanti” indicates that all beauty and luster rest in Her body. All the laksmis derive their beauty from Her.
“Kanti” may also mean “all the desires of Lord Krishna.” All the desires of Lord Krishna rest in Srimati Radharani.
Srimati Radhika fulfills all the desires of Lord Krishna. This is the meaning of “sarva-kanti.”
Lord Krishna enchants the world, but Sri Radha enchants even Him. Therefore She is the supreme goddess of all.
Sri Radha is the full power, and Lord Krishna is the possessor of full power. The two are not different, as evidenced by the revealed scriptures.
They are indeed the same, just as musk and its scent are inseparable, or as fire and its heat are nondifferent.
Thus Radha and Lord Krishna are one, yet They have taken two forms to enjoy the mellows of pastimes.
I apollogise for the lengthy verbosity, just excerpts from the pages of ny mind's den,
Bhaktajan
What about mother daughter and holy ghost? The complete creator(s) is two who are also one even though three. Why does everyone seem to only honor half a creator?
Whatever we see within the material or spiritual worlds is but an expansion of Krishna’s multifarious energies. This material world is an expansion of Krishna’s external energy (bahiraìga sakti), the spiritual world is an expansion of His internal energy (antaraìga sakti), and we living entities are an expansion of His marginal energy (tatastha sakti). We are sakti, energy. We are not the energetic.
The Mayavadi philosophers say that because the energies are not outside of Brahman, the energetic, they are all identical with Brahman. This is monism. Our Vaisnava philosophy is that the energy is simultaneously one with and different from the energetic. Again the analogy of the heat and fire: When you perceive heat, you understand that there is fire nearby. But this does not mean that because you feel some heat, you are in the fire. So the heat and the fire, the energy and the energetic, are one yet different.
Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti explains the Lord’s potencies mentioned in these verses: “Sri is the potency of wealth; Pusti that of strength; Gir, knowledge; Kanti, beauty; Kirti, fame; and Tusti, renunciation. These are the Lord’s six opulences. Ila is His bhU-sakti, also known as sandhini, the internal potency of whom the element earth is an expansion. Urja is His internal potency for performing pastimes; she expands as the tulasi plant in this world. Vidya and Avidya [knowledge and ignorance] are external potencies who cause the living entities’ liberation and bondage, respectively. Sakti is His internal pleasure potency, hladini, and Maya is an internal potency who is the basis of Vidya and Avidya. The word ca implies the presence of the Lord’s marginal energy, the jiva-sakti, who is subordinate to Maya. Lord Visnu was being served by all these personified potencies.”
Excerpts from the book Caitanya-caritamrta - Adi-lila 4:
“The cit-sakti, which is also called svarUpa-sakti or antaraìga-sakti, displays many varied manifestations. It sustains the kingdom of God and its paraphernalia.
“The external energy, called maya-sakti, is the cause of innumerable universes with varied material potencies.
“The marginal potency, which is between these two, consists of the numberless living beings. These are the three principal energies, which have unlimited categories and subdivisions.
“These are the principal manifestations and expansions of the Personality of Godhead and His three energies. They are all emanations from Sri Krishna, the Transcendence. They have their existence in Him.
Radha is the one who gives pleasure to Govinda, and She is also the enchantress of Govinda. She is the be-all and end-all of Govinda, and the crest jewel of all His consorts.
“The transcendental goddess Srimati Radharani is the direct counterpart of Lord Sri Krishna. She is the central figure for all the goddesses of fortune. She possesses all the attractiveness to attract the all-attractive Personality of Godhead. She is the primeval internal potency of the Lord.” [---from the Brhad-gautamiya-tantra. Adi 4.84]
“Devi” means “resplendent and most beautiful.” Or else it means “the lovely abode of the worship and love sports of Lord Krishna.”
“Krishna-mayi” means “one whose within and without are Lord Krishna.” She sees Lord Krishna wherever She casts Her glance.
Or “krishna-mayi” means that She is identical with Lord Krishna, for She embodies the mellows of love. The energy of Lord Krishna is identical with Him.
Her worship [aRadhana] consists of fulfilling the desires of Lord Krishna. Therefore the Puranas call Her Radhika.
“Truly the Personality of Godhead has been worshiped by Her. Therefore Lord Govinda, being pleased, has brought Her to a lonely spot, leaving us all behind.”
Therefore Radha is parama-devata, the supreme goddess, and She is worshipable for everyone. She is the protectress of all, and She is the mother of the entire universe.
I have already explained the meaning of “sarva-laksmi.” Radha is the original source of all the goddesses of fortune.
Or “sarva-laksmi” indicates that She fully represents the six opulences of Krishna. Therefore She is the supreme energy of Lord Krishna.
The word “sarva-kanti” indicates that all beauty and luster rest in Her body. All the laksmis derive their beauty from Her.
“Kanti” may also mean “all the desires of Lord Krishna.” All the desires of Lord Krishna rest in Srimati Radharani.
Srimati Radhika fulfills all the desires of Lord Krishna. This is the meaning of “sarva-kanti.”
Lord Krishna enchants the world, but Sri Radha enchants even Him. Therefore She is the supreme goddess of all.
Sri Radha is the full power, and Lord Krishna is the possessor of full power. The two are not different, as evidenced by the revealed scriptures.
They are indeed the same, just as musk and its scent are inseparable, or as fire and its heat are nondifferent.
Thus Radha and Lord Krishna are one, yet They have taken two forms to enjoy the mellows of pastimes.
I apollogise for the lengthy verbosity, just excerpts from the pages of ny mind's den,
Bhaktajan
I like your picture: At least you get the whole picture.
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Makes sense to me as well.
Because it determines God according to human nature, rather than determining human nature according to God — it's out-and-out anthropomorphism.
The argument has consistently been that the Trinity of Christian Doctrine is not a cosmological manifestation, therefore not determined according to physical law or natural phenomena, rather it determines both, being prior to them.
A closer triune is the Neoplatonic 'One-Intellect-Soul' of Plotinus, and if you're going to present that in mythic terms, or manifest it concretely, then naturally gender will be a factor, but one should not let the gender-equality argument, valid as it is on its own terms, mask or distort the metaphysical and metacosmic understanding that Christianity, or Neoplatonism, enshrines.
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Way before Christianity complicated the Trinity, it was perceived as The Divine (The Father), the Soul (Holy Ghost), and the physical manifestation of the Divine (The Son)
Three phases of Spirituality that belong to each individual, not separate and outside of the individual, god is you, not a separate entity.
Not in an Incarnate Person, however.
I would say that the doctrine is fundamentally very simple ... but then who can fathom the depths of God?
I tend to think the Christian idea lifts the idea out of the cosmological dimension and its contingent and relative multiplicities.
Only when one tries to reduce it to a rational concept does it become complicated.
If you want 'complicated', then I suggest the Second Century on Knowledge of St Maximus the Confessor ... but Christians aren't obliged to read that, or indeed theology. It's a matter of choice.
I study the trinities in, for example, the Chaldean oracles, in the Neoplatonism of Plotinus, in Brahminism. I find the Christian one simpler, and less prone to confusion than the Chaldean — just look at the complications the gnostics got into, with an infinite number of degrees and separations between man and God, and dualism is metaphysically unacceptable.
I find Plotinus enthralling, but he's very much with the philosophers, and 'love thy neighbour' does not carry much import with the Platonic/Pelagian approach ... you have to be something of a spiritual ascetico/athlete, or its curtains, the 'flight of the alone to the Alone', and all that.
Then if you and I are God, why do we not know it, for by definition, God is Absolute, Infinite, Omniscient ... whereas man is contingent, relative, finite, ephemeral ... so I find such pantheism/panentheisms in the end a logical contradiction, or we have radically different ideas of what 'God' means...
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Who told you god was Absolute, Infinite, and Omniscient?
I'm sure you're aware of all the arguments about how god "cannot" be Absolute, Infinite, and Omniscient?
But I digress, I do not believe in a separate god with those qualities. I think what everyone has attributed to a Supreme Being is nothing more than a Universe that unfolded by way of natural selection and intelligent memetics, we call the Objective Universe.
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Okay, I'll bite, EM. As a pantheist and a believer in an ojective universe, where does mind come into it? Does it exist as part of the objective universe?
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That would be our Subjective Universe. The mind is not limited to physical laws.
Most of the great metaphysical systems — the Abrahamic, the Hindu ...
No. I'd be interested...
OK. As I said, it's a matter of definitions ...
OK. But that does not explain why there is anything in the first place ... and the infinite universe sounds something like a fudge (but then, so does panentheism).
... I'm saying that, among the many cosmological arguments, to posit the existence of God is not unreasonable.
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But it is shaped by them ...
'Nothing is in the mind that was not first in the senses' still holds true.
If there were no senses, the mind would have no data to play with.
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Senses are extensions of the mind, not the other way around.
My belief is that Our Subjective Universe shapes our Objective Universe.
It's the great Monad theory . . . we are a singularity, the nanosecond we become aware/conscious there is a division, a duality, there is now our True Self and this Objective Self that spirals downward in frequency until it becomes physical and is thus incarnate into the Objective Universe.
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The Rig Veda is quite agnostic actually, and I don't find any Abrahamic systems to be 'great'
Every conceivable argument, every imaginable piece of evidence for god is not without some fatal flaw or more likely explanation which precludes it from being used as definitive proof. Note: This is not the same as being close-minded.No. I'd be interested...Originally Posted by Etu Malku
I'm sure you're aware of all the arguments about how god "cannot" be Absolute, Infinite, and Omniscient?
There is, however, a simple answer to this question: God is what it would take to convince an atheist. An omniscient god would know the exact standard of evidence required to convince any atheist of its existence and, being omnipotent, it would also be able to immediately produce this evidence. If it wanted to, a god could conceivably change the brain chemistry of any individual in order to compel them to believe. It could even restructure the entire universe in such a way as to make non-belief impossible.
In short, a god actually proving its own existence is what would convince any atheist of said god’s existence.
I agree here, but just because we don't know why or how there is anything in the first place doesn't automatically defer to there being a god that created it.
I would disagree as would most of the scientific community, the idea that this is all the product of a Supreme Being is actually the least rational explanation of them all.
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What about God being in our minds then? Spiritual experiences of a sensory nature are considered to be a sign of makyo in eastern traditions.
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Thanks SG, this is new to me . . . good stuff, so many parallels in Belief structures!
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Human nature or nature itself? I don't believe Jesus was God, but I do believe he was God's son. His heavenly father being the spiritual, his mother being physical, and he being a composition of both. We, however, are said (by some) to be born from the physical alone, but I disagree.
We too have been given the breath of life. We are both born of our earthly parents, and of our spiritual father. The difference between Jesus and us is that he embraced and followed after the Spiritual. He sought to do his heavenly Fathers will. He put away the carnal and embraced the Spiritual.
God is said to be love, just as the Word (Logos) was said to be God. Could love and Word be more akin to descriptors than actualities? Most Christians view the Word to be Jesus who they further proclaim is God. I disagree with this, as the Word (logos) describes the Spirit behind our Creator.
For instance one might read John 1 like this: "In the beginning was love, and love was with God and love was God. Love was in the beginning with God. All things were made through love and without love not anything made that was was made. In love was life and the life was the light of men."
To me, love defines God as it is the Spirit behind God. Love is the Spirit of life, and Jesus embodied this Spirit fully. The Word of God is love, hence Paul championing love in such a manner. The seed in the parable of the sower is love, which needs to deveop before we can bring fruit to maturity. God is love and Jesus was said to have embodied God (Who is love) fully.
Consider Proverbs 8:
While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways. Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not. Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors. For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD. But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.
Couldn't then love be the Wisdom of our Creator and the Word (Logos) through which all things were made? Couldn't God have made ALL things through love? Isn't love the Spirit and Wisdom of our Creator? Did Jesus not embody love fully? Did he not personify what it means to live through this Spirit and fulfill the will of God?
The trinity to me is this: Spiritual (father), physical (mother) and child (son). We all are part of God's family, but until we embrace the Spirit (essence) of God which is love, we will remain on the path of destruction. Love is the Logos as far as I'm concerned, and when we are reborn of the Logos, which is the Spirit and Wisdom of God, we can know life, just as Jesus knew life.