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I've been following some of the Vortex episodes produced by Catholic apologist Michael Vortis, and am finding him pretty disturbing. In one episode, he even says the vote should be restricted to "faithful Catholics". See: Catholic Government - YouTube

Anyone familiar with this guy? What should we make of him?
 
They are many weird people in America, and Michael Voris is one of them, Catholicism is a product of the Roman Empire, headed by the Pontifax Maximus (POPE), the problem with Catholics, is that the Pope Reigns over them, and if a Catholic is the President of USA, then the Pope Holds the Strings.

Hitler was also a Catholic(Pope Slave), look what happened there
 
They are many weird people in America, and Michael Voris is one of them, Catholicism is a product of the Roman Empire, headed by the Pontifax Maximus (POPE), the problem with Catholics, is that the Pope Reigns over them, and if a Catholic is the President of USA, then the Pope Holds the Strings.

Hitler was also a Catholic(Pope Slave), look what happened there

That is a load of bollocks. I lived in America for over a year. American Catholics attend Church mostly for social contacts and ethnic identities. Most Catholic women do not follow the Pope on birth control, abortion, and divorce. Catholics with bachelor degrees know the fact of Evolution, the Big Bang, the 13.7 billion year old universe, the spherical 4.5 billion year old Earth, continental drift, the Heliocentric Solar System, the neurobiological basis of consciousness, awareness, and thought.

John Kennedy tid not follow the Pope's orders. However, George W. Bush followed the irrational beliefs and mythologies of the Evangelical Wing Nuts. Rick Perry, Herman Cain, Rick Santorum, Michelle Bachmann, and Sarah Palin all are members of the Christian Fundamentalist Cult. Bachmann and Palin are part of the Christian Reconstruction Cult also known as Dominionism, Theonomy, Army of God, Joel's Army, the Order, and Aryan Nations including the Church of Jesus Christ Christian (i.e. not Jewish.)

If you worry about Americans whose loyalty to the US is secondary to their Christian Fundamentalist Cult, you are walking naked into a den of vipers.

I know I will be accused of hyperbole but I don't think so. The Republican Wing Nuts including Tea Baggers are rationally compared to German Nazism. GOD, CORPORATIONS, AND WAR.

Amergin
 
Hitler's Nazism was a coalition of Aggressive Nationalism (WAR), Big Industry, and Official State Christianity. Hitler repealed the Weimar Republic's separation of church and state. Hitler made Lutheran Christianity and Catholicism both official religions of Germany. German workers paid a special God Tax to either Lutheran or Catholic Churches. Hitler signed a Concordat with Pope Pius XII for his aid in anti-Semitism campaigns. Nazi and Croatian gold was shunted to the Vatigan during the war.

If Americans want to complete the destructive decline caused by Republican-Taliban Christian-Corporation Tripartite Coalition, simply vote for the Superstitious Craw thumpers Perry, Cain, Santorum, or Bachmann.
 
Hitler's Nazism was a coalition of Aggressive Nationalism (WAR), Big Industry, and Official State Christianity. Hitler repealed the Weimar Republic's separation of church and state. Hitler made Lutheran Christianity and Catholicism both official religions of Germany. German workers paid a special God Tax to either Lutheran or Catholic Churches. Hitler signed a Concordat with Pope Pius XII for his aid in anti-Semitism campaigns. Nazi and Croatian gold was shunted to the Vatigan during the war.

If Americans want to complete the destructive decline caused by Republican-Taliban Christian-Corporation Tripartite Coalition, simply vote for the Superstitious Craw thumpers Perry, Cain, Santorum, or Bachmann.

Strange Coincidence that whilst the WW2 was occurring, Palestinians where being booted from there Homes, to Create the Nation of Israel, and they made the Sidus Divus(Star of David) the Nation's Symbol

We live in a Nasty World:(
 
Actually, Divos, during those years in Palestine it was only Jews who were being burned out of their homes; and there was nothing even slightly coincidental about it, since the Nazis were arming the Arabs and the Palestinian leader was in Berlin making propaganda broadcasts about how all Jews everywhere should be killed.
 
Actually, Divos, during those years in Palestine it was only Jews who were being burned out of their homes; and there was nothing even slightly coincidental about it, since the Nazis were arming the Arabs and the Palestinian leader was in Berlin making propaganda broadcasts about how all Jews everywhere should be killed.

Its not the Jews that wanted Israel, its the Roman Jesuits, the Catholics, the Pope.

You can thank Flavius Josephus, the Creator of Antisemitism for those Evils
 
Well I have heard something I never would have thought possible, one mistakingly dating Jewish attacks on Arabs (many many more Jews than Arabs were killed or dis-enfranchized during WWII in Palestine than Palestinians), another mistaking claiming that the Catholics, not the Jews wanted Palestine (mistakingly called Israel, which did not exist in the post), and that a Jew created antisemitism. In the little room you live in is the nurse a Jewess?

Pax et amore omnia vincunt!
 
Is it Coincidence that "Titus Flavius" Caesar raged War again Jerusalem and destroyed the Temple, and "Titus Flavius" Josephus wrote about it.

TITUS FLAVIUS (Josephus) wrote this
Mary(A JEW) held her baby in her arms, a son born
as the siege began. No milk in days,

she(A JEW) boiled broth from clumps of grass
the neighbors sold, held it to his mouth.

His face grew gaunt, her arms so thin it hurt
to carry him. Too hunger-filled to sleep,

she held her fingers to his throat until
his breathing stopped, weaved a skewer

through his ribs, set him on a spit
above the fire. His skin crackled in the heat,

his bony back, rounded stomach, feet,
the smell of roasting flesh more pungent than

the excrement, the burning at the city gates.
A meal, the first in weeks. After she ate

of his flesh, the neighbor men(JEWS) broke down
her door, demanded their share of meat.

Their clothing cracked with dirt, their mouths,
a hollow smell. She pointed to her child’s remains, said quietly, I knew you’d come. Eat.

After the War, as if by Magic, Christianity appeared, and Jesus Magically Appeared

Here is a Coin dating to the War, with a Jew praying to the Crucifed ChristCaesar
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Perhaps, but it is not coincidence that Women and Jews were persecuted before him.

Maybe you don't get it. Reality (unfuzzy truth) trumps coincidence (fuzzy truth) every time until the fuzz is resolved. In this case, what you would have to do is proove no misogyny or anti-semitism existed before Josephus (good luck!).

Pax et amore omnia vincunt!
 
Perhaps, but it is not coincidence that Women and Jews were persecuted before him.

Maybe you don't get it. Reality (unfuzzy truth) trumps coincidence (fuzzy truth) every time until the fuzz is resolved. In this case, what you would have to do is proove no misogyny or anti-semitism existed before Josephus (good luck!).

Pax et amore omnia vincunt!

Anti-Semitism? is that not "Anti-Judaism" or "Anti-Judean"

Jew, from Latin "Iudaea" (above coin) refers to people that live in Judea, regardless of there Religion

Here is a passage from Suetonius, about Julius Caesar
Caesar permitted Jewish organization in the Diaspora, and his tolerant attitude to Diaspora Jewry was emulated by the rulers of the provinces. Caesar's enmity toward Pompey, who had conquered Jerusalem and defiled the Holy of Holies, led to a positive attitude toward him among the Jews. His restoration of the unity of Judea, his deference toward the high priest, Hyrcanus II, and his tolerant attitude toward the Diaspora Jews increased the sympathy of the Jewish masses for him. When he was assassinated, he was mourned by the Jews more than by any other nation, and for a long time after they continued to weep over his tomb both by day and night

This Evidence, shows, that the Romans where not Anti-Semitic at all, in fact, the Jews looked upon Caesar has a Savior, Herod was Educated in Rome, and built "Temple Mount". (permitted by Rome)

According to the passage, Caesar had a Judean Tomb, which still exists, Today, The Circle in the Triangular Roof Proof it
jesus_tomb0226.jpg

(Caesar was Cremated, only an Effigy)
 
Well. let us get to the bootom of this, in post #7 you stated "You can thank Flavius Josephus, the Creator of Antisemitism for those Evils". From that sentence and the dedacted "Josephus origin of anti-feminism and anti-semitism" it would seem: (1) you believe anti-semitism and misogyny to be evil, (2) that Josephus was the originator of both. Therfore, you must prove that no misogyny or anti-semitism existed before Josephus.

The word you used was "anti-semitism", that comes from the term "Semite" which predates all your Roman stuff by a meillenia or so. "Antisemitism" as found in the OED entymological section was specifically derived in that way and specifically used to refer to behavior directed towards Jews racially or ethnically.

I claim that the Babylonian, Assyrian, and Selucid persecutions of the Jews (okay, called Hebrews then--see Isiah, 1 Chron and 2Kgs for Assyria; Jeremiah, 2 Chron and eht end os 2Kng for Babylon, and 1-3 Maccabees for Seleucid) happened before Josephus was born and were by definition antisemetic. Any proof against either of those?

Pax et amore vincunt omnia!
 
I claim that the Babylonian, Assyrian, and Selucid persecutions of the Jews (okay, called Hebrews then--see Isiah, 1 Chron and 2Kgs for Assyria; Jeremiah, 2 Chron and eht end os 2Kng for Babylon, and 1-3 Maccabees for Seleucid) happened before Josephus was born and were by definition antisemetic. Any proof against either of those?

Pax et amore vincunt omnia!

Is there Evidence for this outside the Torah, The Torah is very Self-Centered, God of ISRAEL(not the world, just Israel), JEWS the Chosen People(just the jews), the Torah is also Anti-nonsemitic in that sense

Europeans Conquered America, does that not make them "Anti-Nativeamerican"
 
Well, first, many of my citations were of Prophets, not Torah. Lots of evidence outside of the OT. Try just taking a class in Classic Greek Civ. The Seleucids came out of it and there is plenty of evidence that Antiochus and his successors pretty much raped and pillaged Jews because they were Jews.

Second of all, the term "Anti-nativeamerican" is pretty appropos in much the same manner since the Europeans did not beleive the Natives had souls (again, do the research). Genocide is genocide is genocide.

The difference between "normal war" (if there is such a thing) and genocide is that the people as a group, as a culture, as a religion, as an ethnicity is not targeted. In the case of the Assyrians, Babylonians, Selecids, and Romans (look at the Bar-Kockba War not the Jewish War) targeted the Jews as Jews. The Plymouth colony targeted the Narraghansett as Narraghanetts. We fought with Koreans against Communist Koreans, Vietnamese against Communist Vietnamese, Afghans against Taliban Afghans. See the diff?
 
The Source for Antiochus is that of Maccabees

There was a general deterioration in relations between Hellenized Jews and other Jews, leading the Seleucid king Antiochus IV Epiphanes to ban certain Jewish religious rites and traditions. Consequently, the orthodox Jews revolted against the Greek ruler leading to the formation of an independent Jewish kingdom, known as the Hasmonaean Dynasty, which lasted from 165 BC to 63 BC. The Hasmonean Dynasty eventually disintegrated in a civil war. The people, who did not want to continue to be governed by a Hellenized dynasty, appealed to Rome for intervention, leading to a total Roman conquest and annexation of the country, see Iudaea province.

Read the Last Bit in bold, then there is this

Caesar permitted Jewish organization in the Diaspora, and his tolerant attitude to Diaspora Jewry was emulated by the rulers of the provinces. Caesar's enmity toward Pompey, who had conquered Jerusalem and defiled the Holy of Holies, led to a positive attitude toward him among the Jews. His restoration of the unity of Judea, his deference toward the high priest, Hyrcanus II, and his tolerant attitude toward the Diaspora Jews increased the sympathy of the Jewish masses for him. When he was assassinated, he was mourned by the Jews more than by any other nation, and for a long time after they continued to weep over his tomb both by day and night

and this from Flavius Josephus (whom is related to Antichus Family)

Now Judas, supposing that Antiochus would not lie still, gathered an army out of his own countrymen, and was the first that made a league of friendship with the Romans, and drove Epiphanes out of the country when he had made a second expedition into it, and this by giving him a great defeat there; and when he was warmed by this great success, he made an assault upon the garrison that was in the city, for it had not been cut off hitherto; so he ejected them out of the upper city, and drove the soldiers into the lower, which part of the city was called the Citadel. He then got the temple under his power, and cleansed the whole place, and walled it round about, and made new vessels for sacred ministrations, and brought them into the temple, because the former vessels had been profaned. He also built another altar, and began to offer the sacrifices; and when the city had already received its sacred constitution again, Antiochus died; whose son Antiochus succeeded him in the kingdom, and in his hatred to the Jews also.

Read the Last Bit in bold, then there is this

Caesar permitted Jewish organization in the Diaspora, and his tolerant attitude to Diaspora Jewry was emulated by the rulers of the provinces. Caesar's enmity toward Pompey, who had conquered Jerusalem and defiled the Holy of Holies, led to a positive attitude toward him among the Jews. His restoration of the unity of Judea, his deference toward the high priest, Hyrcanus II, and his tolerant attitude toward the Diaspora Jews increased the sympathy of the Jewish masses for him. When he was assassinated, he was mourned by the Jews more than by any other nation, and for a long time after they continued to weep over his tomb both by day and night

Josephus also claimed to be a Prophet, I have come to realize that there is no Such thing as Someone who is a Prophet, the term is corrupted from "Prodigiums" which mean "Signs" as accordance to Roman Ideology, Jupiter was the Sender of the Prodigiums

The Romans where very tolerant, and Lord/Savior Julius Caesar permitted there Religion, it is only when Josephus came into the picture, when antisemitic revolts appeared, in the Roman Empire/

It is a Odd Coincidence that Romans where OK with Judaism, most likely because the supreme Roman God, "IOVE" is the same has "Yahweh", whom had he same Lamb Sacrificial dates upon the Lunar Calender.

Babylons certainly did not Care if Jews where Jews, they just wanted to Conquer, you also Completely ignored Persians, and Egyptians
 
The Additional antisemitism is derived from Flavius' Gospels, where Judas betrayed Jesus, Judas means "Jew", which fueled Nazism

"Judas betraying Jesus" is in reality a retelling of "Julius Caesar whom was betrayed by Junas", (Junius Brutus), whom later stabbed by Longinus

Longinus betrayed and Killed Lord/Savior Julius Caesar, whom now a Saint
Saint Longinus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
IRONIC or what
 
Let us get this straight, there are plenty of non-Scriptural sources for the pre-Roman uprising. Because the Jews appealed to the Romans has nothing to do with the fact that the Seleucids and Assyrians and Babylonians practiced antisemitism (and if you give me that old "but they were semetic too" line, so what? so was Josephus).

Your entire discussion is antihistorical, disprovable, and specious. The claim that Christ is Caesar or Judas means Jew or Longinius said something or that Christ is related to wax has nothing to do with your claim.

Your claim was that misogyny and antisemitism began with Josephus. The claim is just wrong. Wiothout that foundation, your entire system crashes, kinda like a real fancy glass house built on the worst of LA's slide-prone hillsides.

Either keep your discussion focused and show some proof (any proof) that there was no misogyny or antisemitism before Josephus or give up.

Pax et amore omnia vincunt!
 
Are you a Zionist ?, it seems you try your best to defend Judaism(antisemitism) and give it this Sob Story, that Jerusalem is the Center of the Universe and Superior to everything.

the Seleucids and Assyrians and Babylonians practiced antisemitism

Yet again, you failed to give the definition of "Antisemitism" are you talking about "JUDAISM" , as a Religion

Assyrian killed the 10 Tribes of Israel (That never existed) and seized Israel
(Not because they where Antisemitic, they wanted to Conquer),

Historical Mentioning
In my first year of reign *** the people of Samaria *** to the number of 27,290 ... I carried away. Fifty chariots for my royal equipment I selected. The city I rebuilt. I made it greater than it was before. People of the lands I had conquered I settled therein. My official (Tartan) I placed over them as governor. (L.ii.4.) [3]

In Fact according to KINGS, GOD ALLOWED the Assyrians to conquer Israel, because they failed to obey his LAW.
( LORDGOD is the Antisemitic one)

Israel, is such a weak country, it was conquered by Egypt/Babylon/Greek/Rome/Assyria/Persians, don't forget the lack of historical evidence of the Kingdom of Israel, its as real as Atlantis.

And the king of Assyria did carry away Israel unto Assyria and put them in Halah and in Habor by the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes: because they obeyed not the voice of the Lord their God, but transgressed his covenant, and all that Moses the servant of the Lord commanded and would not hear them, nor do them. (II Kings 18:11-12)
 
Are you a Zionist ?, it seems you try your best to defend Judaism(antisemitism) and give it this Sob Story, that Jerusalem is the Center of the Universe and Superior to everything.

Wow, where did that come from? I am merely a sane and rational person. I am skeptic by nature, a nuclear physicist by education, a philosopher by inclination, a risk manager by occupation, a member of the Religious Society of Friends by convincement, and a classic liberal (Tom Paine or Tom Jefferson) by political persuasion. I sometimes support Israel, I sometimes do not.

Yet again, you failed to give the definition of "Antisemitism" are you talking about "JUDAISM" , as a Religion.

No, I am not. I was very clear that genocide is the targeting of a group for religious or ethnic reasons. Similarly, the word anti-Semitism as used in English (as I explained referring to the OED) until recently (post WWII) was used to refer to religious or ethnic persecution of those we now call Jews (they were not called Jews at the time of the Assyrians, you may be assured). Therefore, if you wish to exclude the ethnic use of anti-Semitism, you may, but this does not agree with the English use of the term (is the historical harassment of Marranos in Spain, because their forbearers were members of the faith of Judaism still anti-Semitism, a rational person would say yes, they are targeted because of their ethnicity).

Assyrian killed the 10 Tribes of Israel (That never existed) and seized Israel
(Not because they where Antisemitic, they wanted to Conquer),


Au contraitre, the Assyrians, Babylonians and Seleucids harassed and otherwise targeted the people in question (let us avoid that J-word you like to throw around) because of who they were. Yeah, "stiff-necked" and all.

I shan’t respond until you (as I said you logically had to do to prove that anti-Semitism does not predate Josephus) can disprove (get it, use historical data) to show that the Assyrians, Babylonians and Seleucids (yep all three, you dug this hole for yourself, not I) did not target the people in question qua those people (Jews as Jews).

In Fact according to KINGS, GOD ALLOWED the Assyrians to conquer Israel, because they failed to obey his LAW.
( LORDGOD is the Antisemitic one)


That is really outstanding! See, you may think it logical and appropriate to first use the example of the ten tribes from Kings as proof of Assyrian non-targeting (which actually you only implied and did not prove) and then turn around and use the same source to “prove” that G!d is the anti-Semite. I just call it inconsistency.

Assyrian Israel, is such a weak country, it was conquered by Egypt/Babylon/Greek/Rome/Assyria/Persians, don't forget the lack of historical evidence of the Kingdom of Israel, its as real as Atlantis.

). First of all, because it was a little country and conquered many times is beside the point (so were the Greeks and the Romans). Second of all, per the above reply, please strive for some form of consistency. It is rather illogical to make that comment and then turn around and say “but it never existed”. Is it your contention that Israel did not exist in ancient times? There is plenty of non-Scriptural proof which I shall not muster because that allegation falls on its face on its own.

Well, now we get to the root of your problem (not psychologically, but ideologically). For some reason you have a bone to pick with Judaism and Jews. Go do it elsewhere, friend, this is an interfaith discussion forum. Not a pick on (take your pick) Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, forum. And try to stay rational and logical about it.

To summarize, I challenged you to show that misogyny and anti-Semitism began with Josephus. You have yet to provide a jot, an iota of proof.:(

Pax et amore omnia vincunt!
 
To summarize, I challenged you to show that misogyny and anti-Semitism began with Josephus. You have yet to provide a jot, an iota of proof.

If we stick to the realms of the Roman Empire, would you not admit that Josephus and the Gospel authors were Anti-Semitic and responsible for its rise, within the Roman Empire. or that the Rise of Monotheism is linked with the rise of Antisemitism and misogyny.



This is the Roman Empire
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