Muslim Vs. Muslim

[Etu Malku]

And Educate One and another, that Magic Does not Exist, or that Matter cannot be Created or Destroyed.

Well, certainly as we know it today, Matter certainly CAN be destroyed and created, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are referring to Energy, which cannot be destroyed (as we know it today).

On the point of Magic(k) . . . it most certainly does exist, but obviously not in the simpleton way that you perceive it.

 

[Amica]

Divos, you use English vocabulary to prove your conspiracy. See, in my native language 'to create' means 'stvoriti' and has nothing to do with stuff you mentioned. In terms of the crescent and the moon, true those are ancient pagan symbols. Do they mean anything to politicians or religious figures? I have no clue. But I know that Muslims do not worship the symbol. The Qur'an mentions the moon and the Sun as the celestial bodies that help us measure time. And that is just about their purpose described for us Earthlings on this planet, as well as giving us light and other natural aspects of the creations that science has been talking about for quiet a while.

 

[Divos]

Divos, you use English vocabulary to prove your conspiracy. See, in my native language 'to create' means 'stvoriti' and has nothing to do with stuff you mentioned. In terms of the crescent and the moon, true those are ancient pagan symbols. Do they mean anything to politicians or religious figures? I have no clue. But I know that Muslims do not worship the symbol. The Qur'an mentions the moon and the Sun as the celestial bodies that help us measure time. And that is just about their purpose described for us Earthlings on this planet, as well as giving us light and other natural aspects of the creations that science has been talking about for quiet a while.

I used Latin, and you have not proven my Point, In ALL Mythologies, the Creator God is a "Penis" a "Phallus"

This is Ra, also called "Ur_Ra" transliterated in Arabic as "Allah"

And the Hebrew/Islamic/Greek Creation Stories ALL begin with the Penis

100% Proven
(See the Erection in the Picture, Get the picture)

AMEN

 

[bananabrain]

Radarmark is a Zionist, whom does most of the dictation

oops, i get Nazi and Zion mixed up, they alike to me

<mod>this tells us all we need to know about you, really. final warning. next time i see something like this from you, you're banned.</mod>

bananabrain

 

[radarmark]

Divos, you are right up there with Robert Anton Wilson IMHO. But RAW did not really believe his BS. Matter does get destroyed, that is how the Sun, the Stars, nuclear reactors, and nuclear weapons work. If matter could not be destroyed (transformed into sunlight) it would be a pretty cold universe.

Pax et amore vincunt omnia!

 

[Divos]

Divos, you are right up there with Robert Anton Wilson IMHO. But RAW did not really believe his BS. Matter does get destroyed, that is how the Sun, the Stars, nuclear reactors, and nuclear weapons work. If matter could not be destroyed (transformed into sunlight) it would be a pretty cold universe.

Pax et amore vincunt omnia!

Its not destroyed thou is it, it still exists

 

[A Cup Of Tea]

I love having you around radar! It's comforting to have someone who actually KNOW how some of the things in the universe works.
I still don't understand what you get out of poking Divos, I don't like having mods censoring the forum but he's kind of out of control. And I'm losing hope for humanity with his every post.

 

[Abdullah]

Shia's have many sects and a lot of Muslims consider some of those sects [consisting of majority of shia's] to be out of the folds of Islam due to many of their beliefs being heretical, bot nonetheless they are not supposed to be fighting one another for this reason alone, and that is the case generally

there is a view in Islam that if a Muslim assists/joins forces with non-muslims that are fighting against Muslims...then such 'collaboraters' apostate, thus the Sunni's that are fighting the Shi'as in Iraq probably see themselves as defending against non-Muslims/apostates

 

[radarmark]

I love having you around radar! It's comforting to have someone who actually KNOW how some of the things in the universe works.

Thanks, but you overestimate me, my friend. Just a skeptic, pedantic old man.

I still don't understand what you get out of poking Divos, I don't like having mods censoring the forum but he's kind of out of control. And I'm losing hope for humanity with his every post.

I was willing to let things go until his (not too well hidden) anti-Semitism reared its ugly head). I believe in freedom of will, of belief, and speech. But it is my job to point out the (not too subtle) insanity of any "True Believer" (see a real small and real old book by that great old anarchist long-shoreman Eric Hoffer).

Pax et amore omnia vincunt!

 

[wil]

Shia's have many sects and a lot of Muslims consider some of those sects [consisting of majority of shia's] to be out of the folds of Islam due to many of their beliefs being heretical, bot nonetheless they are not supposed to be fighting one another for this reason alone, and that is the case generally

there is a view in Islam that if a Muslim assists/joins forces with non-muslims that are fighting against Muslims...then such 'collaboraters' apostate, thus the Sunni's that are fighting the Shi'as in Iraq probably see themselves as defending against non-Muslims/apostates

Oh my, something akin to an actual reply to the OP?

I recall seeing a series of videos, I believe they were posted here, that described the schism....I recall it was an argument, maybe even brothers as to who retained the titular head after someone's death...and the two factions separated....

I also met someone who had to move from Iraq, as people with his name were being killed by one group or the other, just because of the name...it represented the original split.

I obviously have zero handle on this and any Muslim who responds should state whether they are sunni or shi'a so we can see the differences.

 

[radarmark]

Wil,

You are correct. As far a Abdullah's comment goes, the claim of "True Muslim" and "Apostate" if the same from both sides. That is, any one of the Shia or Sunni sects tend (as do we Christians) to see themselves as "True" and the other side as "Apostate". That is what I noticed in discussions in the area.

Pax et amore omnia vincunt!

 

[donnann]

Wil,

You are correct. As far a Abdullah's comment goes, the claim of "True Muslim" and "Apostate" if the same from both sides. That is, any one of the Shia or Sunni sects tend (as do we Christians) to see themselves as "True" and the other side as "Apostate". That is what I noticed in discussions in the area.

Pax et amore omnia vincunt!

A true muslim in my opinion doesnt want to convert someone to spectifically being a muslim but rather does acts of kindness, shows love compassion ect as an example of what the creator is. This is the true meaning of all scripture. Some dont even know the meaning of the koran or other holy books and they claim its their religion so whats an apostate? Its someone who does evil acts and claims they are doing it for god. Thats a gross misinterpretation of the holy books.

 

[donnann]

A true muslim in my opinion doesnt want to convert someone to spectifically being a muslim but rather does acts of kindness, shows love compassion ect as an example of what the creator is. This is the true meaning of all scripture. Some dont even know the meaning of the koran or other holy books and they claim its their religion so whats an apostate? Its someone who does evil acts and claims they are doing it for god. Thats a gross misinterpretation of the holy books.

By the way, I am not a muslim I was raised primarily catholic. The former pope kissed the koran for a reason. He knew the language and what it really meant. Do you reason it with a carnal mind or a divine mind?

 

[Saltmeister]

Mr. Bean, please note that Divos has an agenda and ideology to press. If you look up Sunni and Shia on wiki, you will find more than sufficient information. Basically it is analogous to the Catholic/Protestant "Thirty Years War". One side (the Shia) believe that the leadership of the community of believers passed to the "People of the House" (descendents of the Prophet Muhammed), the other (the Sunni) believe that the leadership was passed on to those elected by the community, the Caliphs.

So ..... are you saying that Shia are a bit like Karaite Jews/Protestant Christians and Sunnis are like Rabbinical Jews/Catholics?

 

[bob x]

So ..... are you saying that Shia are a bit like Karaite Jews/Protestant Christians and Sunnis are like Rabbinical Jews/Catholics?

Not a terrible analogy, but I think the closest analogue to Karaites/Protestants would be the recent Qur'an-Only Muslims, who reject the whole concept of a binding interpretive tradition, in favor of going back to the original scripture. The Shi'ites do have an interpretive tradition, just a different one from the Sunnah, and not as carved-in-stone; maybe we could analogize them to Greek Orthodox.