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Watching a 60 minutes segment on the Vatican Library.

From what I am seeing they should have it taken away from them.

They showed the head curator and a couple other of the folks that are caring for the books....every one handling the books and the pages including their oldest fragment of John, with their hands, directly on the paper turning the pages....

Google, Yahoo, and Bill Gates amongst others have offerred to digitize the entire collection....an effort that would cause less damage to these antiquities than what I just saw in 15 minutes...

It was disgusting.

And then they claimed they don't even know what is all down there, as it hasn't all been cataloged.
 
That's so weird because recently I've been thinking they should take it away from them anyway. I mean if there's anyway that people can justify that the priests aren't the rightful custodians of those books and that those books are the heritage of all Catholics or humanity then the should use that justification to open that library up to everyone, especially if there is a lot of "useful information" that could be gained from opening it up the public. I don't know if anyone could answer this question because I don't know if there a lot of people that can actually divulge the contents of the library, but you think it would be fair to say that the Vatican is a kind of Library of Alexandria?
 
LOL, are you kidding? They didn't even want their own followers to read their own bible at one point in history.
 
NO I am totally not kidding. Here in the U.S.A. we have something called the "freedom of information act," and though it doesn't apply to everything I have a BIG BIG problem with people and organizations that suppress useful information. If the Catholic Church is so-self righteous then what do they got to hide? I don't know about you guys but I think we should "invade" ( and I use the term loosely) the Vatican library.
 
At one time I had issues with the conspiratorial aspect of it. What are they covering up, what are they hiding.

But I lost that concern, my main concern is for the books and papers themselves. The callousness of them handling these things without gloves is beyond the pale. An utter disregard for the documents themselves.

And then they showed their staff (post my post) doing repair work to the pages....no doubt, the way they've been keeping them.

Digitize, they are handled one time, and they are cataloged and put away, only in rare circumstances would a human need to turn a page or handle any of it in the next thousand years that way.

Everyone would have access to review, read, discuss, translate and contemplate what is found in the library.

and Bobx, Juantoo3 and SL would get to add to their historical knowledge....that alone would be worth it.
 
mojobadshah said:
NO I am totally not kidding. Here in the U.S.A. we have something called the "freedom of information act," and though it doesn't apply to everything I have a BIG BIG problem with people and organizations that suppress useful information. If the Catholic Church is so-self righteous then what do they got to hide? I don't know about you guys but I think we should "invade" ( and I use the term loosely) the Vatican library.
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Easy big fella . . . I was agreeing with you and pointing out that 'THIS' is what the Roman Catholic Church does!
I have lived in the USA for 51 years and am quite aware of our policies, the "freedom of information act" does not grant public access to private sectors, never will. It may grant access to private sectors for governmental 'needs', but there is nothing that states that YOU may invade MY privacy by knowing what I have.
 
Can't know if it is a conspiracy or not. It's quite possible that some monk might have hidden away texts that were considered politically incorrect in their day in order to protect them, (you know how book burnings go; :rolleyes: )
therefore the official establishment wouldn't know about them (officially,) as they were "off the books" so to speak. (Pardon the pun)
 
wil said:
At one time I had issues with the conspiratorial aspect of it. What are they covering up, what are they hiding.
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I don't have any issues with the conspiratorial aspect it. Other than the fact that many of the expressions the Catholic Church uses were beyond a shadow of doubt derived from the Aryan (Irano-Afghan) religious heritage, I'm not out to get the Catholic Church. My contention is that if the Church has nothing to hide then open up the library to the public, especially if there is something to be learned from making the library available to outsiders.

Etu Malku said:
Easy big fella . . . I was agreeing with you and pointing out that 'THIS' is what the Roman Catholic Church does!
I have lived in the USA for 51 years and am quite aware of our policies, the "freedom of information act" does not grant public access to private sectors, never will. It may grant access to private sectors for governmental 'needs', but there is nothing that states that YOU may invade MY privacy by knowing what I have.
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That's what I figured, but I don't think the premise is lost here. To put it another way: If my heritage TCE or TK was being used by the Catholic Church that would mean my heritage is in that Church and I would demand access to that library.
 
Etu Malku said:
Easy big fella . . . I was agreeing with you and pointing out that 'THIS' is what the Roman Catholic Church does!
I have lived in the USA for 51 years and am quite aware of our policies, the "freedom of information act" does not grant public access to private sectors, never will. It may grant access to private sectors for governmental 'needs', but there is nothing that states that YOU may invade MY privacy by knowing what I have.
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Ummm, Vatican City IS it's own Political Sovereignty, governed by the Catholic Church. Hmmmm. I don't think they have the equivalent of a Freedom of Information Act there....I could be wrong, though. Lemme do some checking.
 
seattlegal said:
Ummm, Vatican City IS it's own Political Sovereignty, governed by the Catholic Church. Hmmmm. I don't think they have the equivalent of a Freedom of Information Act there....I could be wrong, though. Lemme do some checking.
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OK, Vatican City Government is separate from the Holy See. Ambassadors are appointed to the Holy See, which operates from Vatican City-State. (Thomas might be able to help out more here.)
 
Again, my issue today in watching that episode is what appeared to be a complete lack of protection for the antiquities.

They don't deserve to house the worlds oldest biblical treasures if that is the way they are treating them.
 
wil-

if you go back and revisit the interview, you will hear that they were handling copies, not originals of the papyrus documents. The vellum was handled with gloves. The entire collection of this type of document is in temp and humidity controlled rooms.
 
Etu Malku said:
Political poppycock! :D
In the Olde Days we just ransacked what we wanted!! LOL!!
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The skillful leader subdues the enemy's troops without any fighting; he captures their cities without laying siege to them; he overthrows their kingdom without lengthy operations in the field. With his forces intact he disputes the mastery of the empire, and thus, without losing a man, his triumph is complete.
This is the method of attacking by stratagem of using the sheathed sword.

~Sun Tzu--The Art of War Chapter 3​
 
seattlegal said:

The skillful leader subdues the enemy's troops without any fighting; he captures their cities without laying siege to them; he overthrows their kingdom without lengthy operations in the field. With his forces intact he disputes the mastery of the empire, and thus, without losing a man, his triumph is complete.
This is the method of attacking by stratagem of using the sheathed sword.

~Sun Tzu--The Art of War Chapter 3​
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The Art of War is not really about that, and boy did it fail when Ghengis Khan annihilated them.
 
radarmark said:
wil-

if you go back and revisit the interview, you will hear that they were handling copies, not originals of the papyrus documents. The vellum was handled with gloves. The entire collection of this type of document is in temp and humidity controlled rooms.
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They said that they had the original papyrus fragment of John...it was all 'holy'....they were taking giant old books...and turning them page by page, and pointing out the gilding (not guilting)

I only saw one pair of gloves in the entire piece.

of course I could be mistaken....but it didn't look good to me.
 
After they said it was a papyrus of John, the CBS newsman noted "we could only look at a copy". Like some reproductions of the DSS and Nag Hamadi texts, they (I assume) used papyrus and "cut to fit" (cut papyrus to look like the restored piece). I, too shall look again, but I was reacting as you did until I heard that.
 
Yes yes yes atlast! One open minded human I found! Catholic Church Hides the truth... Instead of teaching the bible they teach what in their sermons? Politics? Life experiences? Sugar coated stories? human doesn't need a library to learn the Words of God... We only need the Bible... Are the Catholics doubting the Bible that they need to rely on other books? How I hate the Catholic Church for spreading Idolatry and false beliefs amongst us... If only I havent studied deeper I wont learn there acts just for money...
 
LKet me radically separate myself from Jerk3:16. I hate no one for the Religion and love everything for the religion. This kind of bigotry is something we need to speak up about and brand as ungodly.
 
radarmark said:
LKet me radically separate myself from Jerk3:16. I hate no one for the Religion and love everything for the religion. This kind of bigotry is something we need to speak up about and brand as ungodly.
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Bigotry is why Indo-Europeans (Aryans) including the Italic people are Christian today and the Irano-Afghan people are Muslim today. Instead of choosing to subject themselves to a Zoroastrian (Aryan) authority structure the Romans decided to submit to a Semitic authority strucutre, Judeo-Christianity, because there were a lot of Judeo-Christians in the Irano-Afghan zone. Thanks to Constantine today the Aryans worship non-Aryan deities. Constantine converted the west to Christianity and had left the East, Persia, susceptible to the Arabs. Thanks to the Romans the Aryans worship non-Aryan gods today. The Europeans worship Jesus a Jewish God and the Persians worship Allah an Arabic god, both Semitic gods. It's not authentic Indo-European (Aryan) culture.
 
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