Something Bad Jesus Did

Ben Masada said:
Hey Serv, that was cute, almost akin to funny. But there is some probability of a lesson to learn. If the event really happened, it is quite probable that the lady could have converted to Judaism. Judaism, I say, Christianity would need another 30 years to show up in scene. (Acts 11:26) If Jesus was trying to become a Talmudist, it is perfectly acceptable; it was all around, but a Christian? It did not exist yet. Paul had not yet fallen off his horse.
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Cheers, Ben. To continue my cute and almost funny theme, it occurred to me that, if we use the so-called Old Testament to refute the New, it becomes evident, to me, that the whole story is –"oh me of little faith"- at best implausible and at worst a crock. I mean, after all, isn’t the woman supposed to have been a Canaanite? If so, a question arises. How could a Canaanite woman, and a fertile one with a daughter at that, even have been in the region at the time of Jesus? Had not the Jews, or, more accurately (and inclusively), the Children of Israel, under Joshua’s command some centuries before, pulverized the lot of them? It sounds to me as though the New Testament would have us accept that at least one Canaanite survived the ordeal. To me, that stretches credulity.​
 
wil said:
there are no miracles, and there are only miracles as it is all miraculous....

if only we could all understand...

look, the wand is in your hand...
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To whom it is all miraculous? Not to God, I hope. And to us, what seems to be hard to understand at first, it will eventually be understood. Just give time to time. Science is working hand-in-hand with us. And as you properly say, the wand is in our hand.
Ben
 
Servetus said:
Cheers, Ben. To continue my cute and almost funny theme, it occurred to me that, if we use the so-called Old Testament to refute the New, it becomes evident, to me, that the whole story is –"oh me of little faith"- at best implausible and at worst a crock. I mean, after all, isn’t the woman supposed to have been a Canaanite? If so, a question arises. How could a Canaanite woman, and a fertile one with a daughter at that, even have been in the region at the time of Jesus? Had not the Jews, or, more accurately (and inclusively), the Children of Israel, under Joshua’s command some centuries before, pulverized the lot of them? It sounds to me as though the New Testament would have us accept that at least one Canaanite survived the ordeal. To me, that stretches credulity.​
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Oh no, Serv, all the Gibeonites were Canaanites living in Canaan at the time Joshua invaded the land. Joshua spared them because of their fraudulent strategy to make an aliance with the Israelites. Joshua had given his word and then he had to make it worth the tablet it was printed. (Joshua 9:3-27) Then, though not converted to Judaism, the Gibeonites became servants to the Israelites. So, by the time of Jesus there were still many canaanites.
Ben
 
Ben Masada said:
Are you the leader of some church that has that option available? Explain how one can be a Christian without converting to Christianity.
Ben
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You simply decide to follow Christ, to search for the Christ spirit within you, to put on the mind of Christ....tis a personal thing, you need no church, heirarchy or go between, no forms to fill out, no fee to pay, no license required.

Ben Masada said:
To whom it is all miraculous? Not to God, I hope. And to us, what seems to be hard to understand at first, it will eventually be understood. Just give time to time. Science is working hand-in-hand with us. And as you properly say, the wand is in our hand.
Ben
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G!d? do you believe something can 'seem' to G!d? I don't believe in any G!d with human traits like thinking, seeing, feeling..no chemically imbalanced soul tossing plagues, floods and bonuses as whim.

Science....now that is a horse of different color....and the time is now, has been for centuries, we aren't waiting for science, religions or anyone to catch up....just us.
 
Jesus did things that were not so nice at times, but he served the Lord and did what is right and just, that is what made Him righteous in the eyes of God.As scripture says;

"All those who do right shall rise to live, those who do evil shall rise to be damned".

"I the Lord speak the truth, I say what is right".

"Speak the truth to one another,judge justly, and let honesty and peace be in your home town."
 
1 John 4:8:

"If you have not known love, you have not known the father, for God is love."

The traditions of men are warned against frequently in the Bible, simply grow your capacity to love and eventually you simply are love. Then you are part of the body of Christ, when you realize all is love.
 
Ben Masada said:
Are you the leader of some church that has that option available? Explain how one can be a Christian without converting to Christianity.
Ben
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thats not what you previously said though

Ben Masada said:
Tell me, can I become a Christian without converting to some Christian church? Of course not! There we go!
Ben
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being a Christian is a personal thing though, it has the potential to be a Love Relationship with God. You dont need a particular Church for that.
 
Lunitik said:
1 John 4:8:

"If you have not known love, you have not known the father, for God is love."

The traditions of men are warned against frequently in the Bible, simply grow your capacity to love and eventually you simply are love. Then you are part of the body of Christ, when you realize all is love.
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Love God like He wants you to love Him and do what is right and just.Love each other as God wants you to love Him and do what is right and just.

As the Lord says; "Love is what I want not sacrifice, knowledge of God not holocaust."

"You've been told what is good and what the Lord requires of you, only to do what is right ,love goodness, and walk humbly with the Lord your God."

"When the lion roars who will not fear it, when the Lord God speaks who will not prophesy".

"Let the man who has my words speak my words and speak the truth."

"The man who wants to come to me will hear my words and put them into practice".

"Speak the truth to one another, judge justly and let honesty and peace be in your home town."

"Don't my words promise good to those who walk uprightly".

As the Lord has loved me so I have loved you. Live on in my love, you will live in my love if you keep my commandments just as I have kept the Lords commandments and live in His love.
The Lord commanded me what to say and how to speak and since I know His commandment means eternal life, what I say is spoken just as He instructed me.

The man who loves me will keep my words.
I know the Lord and I keep His words.
 
wil said:
You simply decide to follow Christ, to search for the Christ spirit within you, to put on the mind of Christ....tis a personal thing, you need no church, heirarchy or go between, no forms to fill out, no fee to pay, no license required.

G!d? do you believe something can 'seem' to G!d? I don't believe in any G!d with human traits like thinking, seeing, feeling..no chemically imbalanced soul tossing plagues, floods and bonuses as whim.

Science....now that is a horse of different color....and the time is now, has been for centuries, we aren't waiting for science, religions or anyone to catch up....just us.
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All right, now, you are ready to instruct me about this Christ. If you are talking about Jesus, who told you that he was Christ? The meaning of the word "Christ" in Greek is Messiah, the anointed one. Paul confessed to his disciple Timothy in 2 Tim. 2:8 that Jesus was the Messiah according to his gospel. Why would I accept Jesus as Christ if the idea was fabricated by Paul, a former Hellenistic Jew?

Regarding a god with human traits, you got the one right, for I agree with you. That's not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

If you eliminate God and Science to help us catch up with life, what kind of Christ are you talking about? He definitely cannot be the one who died. Would you enlighten me?
Ben
 
Princely said:
Jesus did things that were not so nice at times, but he served the Lord and did what is right and just, that is what made Him righteous in the eyes of God.As scripture says;

"All those who do right shall rise to live, those who do evil shall rise to be damned".

"I the Lord speak the truth, I say what is right".

"Speak the truth to one another,judge justly, and let honesty and peace be in your home town."
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It means that if Jesus AT TIMES did some not so nice things, no one can claim that he was perfect. He broke the Golden Rule of not doing unto others what we would not like they did unto us. Would he have liked to be called a dog? I doubt it. Therefore, Jesus was also under the same classification of us all: Sinners. Therefore, in need of a savior himself. So, he did not die for the sins of any one. (Exo. 32:33)
Ben
 
Lunitik said:
1 John 4:8:

"If you have not known love, you have not known the father, for God is love."

The traditions of men are warned against frequently in the Bible, simply grow your capacity to love and eventually you simply are love. Then you are part of the body of Christ, when you realize all is love.
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Which Bible, the NT? That's Replacement Theology. Christianity itself is crowded with traditions, including superstitions. And about love, you say "all is love". I take that you are talking about love to one's neighbor. Who is my naighbor? Let's say, is someone from another country my neighbor in this context? I take that your answer is yes. In that case, the samaritan woman was Jesus' neighbor. Was it love to address her as if she was a dog?
Ben
 
NiceCupOfTea said:
thats not what you previously said though

being a Christian is a personal thing though, it has the potential to be a Love Relationship with God. You dont need a particular Church for that.
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God have mercy on us for the millions of Jewish lives we have lost as a result of that "Christian love relationship with God" throughout History.
Ben
 
Ben Masada said:
It means that if Jesus AT TIMES did some not so nice things, no one can claim that he was perfect. He broke the Golden Rule of not doing unto others what we would not like they did unto us. Would he have liked to be called a dog? I doubt it. Therefore, Jesus was also under the same classification of us all: Sinners. Therefore, in need of a savior himself. So, he did not die for the sins of any one. (Exo. 32:33)
Ben
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Being perfect in the eyes of God is to be blameless.The son of man and servant of God is blameless and walks in the law of the Lord. Jesus did not die for the sins of anyone else correct.What He did was to spread the word of God as He was instructed, and walk in the law of the Lord.That is what saves, to serve the Lord. As He said "Blessed is He who finds no stumbling block in me".Once you find it then you will have understanding.

"Blessed is he who's way is blameless who walks in the law of the Lord."
 
Princely said:
Being perfect in the eyes of God is to be blameless.The son of man and servant of God is blameless and walks in the law of the Lord. Jesus did not die for the sins of anyone else correct.What He did was to spread the word of God as He was instructed, and walk in the law of the Lord.That is what saves, to serve the Lord. As He said "Blessed is He who finds no stumbling block in me".Once you find it then you will have understanding.

"Blessed is he who's way is blameless who walks in the law of the Lord."
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Sorry Princely, being perfect and blameless is one and the same. Jesus was neither if you insist in closing your eyes to his mistreatment of a desperate mother. Besides, didn't he attack the Jewish authorities with insults of hypocrites and so on? These are called the famous "woes" against the Pharisees. (Mat. 23:13-29) I prefer not to believe them but the gospels make no secret about them.
Ben
 
Ben Masada said:
Sorry Princely, being perfect and blameless is one and the same. Jesus was neither if you insist in closing your eyes to his mistreatment of a desperate mother. Besides, didn't he attack the Jewish authorities with insults of hypocrites and so on? These are called the famous "woes" against the Pharisees. (Mat. 23:13-29) I prefer not to believe them but the gospels make no secret about them.
Ben
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Yes, that is what I said, Being blameless is being perfect in the eyes' of God.

The scripture the Lord gave us describes how to be perfect and that is to walk in the Law of the Lord, as Jesus and the son of man do.

"Blessed is he who's way is blameless who walks in the law of the Lord."

It doesn't matter to God that Jesus did those things because they were forgiven by His service to the Father. That is why the son of man says;

"I do nothing on my own, I only say what the Lord has taught me for the One who sent me is with me He has not deserted me because I always do what pleases Him".

The son of man is the truth, the word of God, because he serves the Lord and spreads the truth.God sees words, people are judged by there words, so if you speak and spread the truth you are forgiven your sins, God does not see them, He only sees/hears His son, the truth.

"The Lord redeems the life of his servants; none of those who take refuge in him incurs guilt".

I am the good shepherd, I know my sheep and my sheep know me,
just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; To these sheep I will give my life.

My sheep hear my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish. No one can take them out of my hand.
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one can take them out of the Lord's hand. The Lord and I are one.
If I do not perform my Father's works, do not believe me;
but if I perform them, even if you do not believe me, put faith in the works, so that you may realize that the Lord is in me and I am in the Lord.
 
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