And the Whole Earth Was of One Language

Hello Juan,

I hope your first week at the hospital wasn't too difficult ! :)

Sorry, I do not have Nova. I did a quick research on the net for Bob Ballard and I found an article on National Geographic. I'll post as it is for future conversation, if necessary.

I didn't have the time for Morton yet. I have to finish my own research about the evolution of the languages in my previous posts.

So here you have Bob Ballard and his discoveries at the Black Sea :

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Almost every culture on Earth includes an ancient flood story. Details vary, but the basic plot is the same: Deluge kills all but a lucky few.
• The story most familiar to many people is the biblical account of Noah and his ark. Genesis tells how “God saw that the wickedness of man was great” and decided to destroy all of creation. Only Noah, “who found grace in the eyes of the Lord,” his family, and the animals aboard the ark survived to repopulate the planet.

• Older than Genesis is the Babylonian epic of Gilgamesh, a king who embarked on a journey to find the secret of immortality. Along the way, he met Utnapishtim, survivor of a great flood sent by the gods. Warned by Enki, the water god, Utnapishtim built a boat and saved his family and friends, along with artisans, animals, and precious metals.

Ancient Greeks and Romans grew up with the story of Deucalion and Pyhrra, who saved their children and a collection of animals by boarding a vessel shaped like a giant box.

Irish legends talk about Queen Cesair and her court, who sailed for seven years to avoid drowning when the oceans overwhelmed Ireland.

• European explorers in the Americas were startled by Indian legends that sounded similar to the story of Noah. Some Spanish priests feared the devil had planted such stories in the Indians’ minds to confuse them.

Columbia University geologists William Ryan and Walter Pitman wondered what could explain the preponderance of flood legends. Their theory: As the Ice Age ended and glaciers melted, a wall of seawater surged from the Mediterranean into the Black Sea.
• During the Ice Age, Ryan and Pitman argue, the Black Sea was an isolated freshwater lake surrounded by farmland.

• About 12,000 years ago, toward the end of the Ice Age, Earth began growing warmer. Vast sheets of ice that sprawled over the Northern Hemisphere began to melt. Oceans and seas grew deeper as a result.

• About 7,000 years ago the Mediterranean Sea swelled. Seawater pushed northward, slicing through what is now Turkey.

• Funneled through the narrow Bosporus, the water hit the Black Sea with 200 times the force of Niagara Falls. Each day the Black Sea rose about six inches (15 centimeters), and coastal farms were flooded.

• Seared into the memories of terrified survivors, the tale of the flood was passed down through the generations and eventually became the Noah story.

Maritime explorer Bob Ballard is combing the floor of the Black Sea in search of the remains of ancient dwellings, which would buttress a new theory that a cataclysmic flood struck the region some 7,000 years ago—swelling the sea and eventually becoming the basis of the Noah story.
• If the thesis is correct, signs of human habitation should lie beneath the Black Sea. A 1998 expedition, says Ballard, reported “a series of features that appear to be man-made structures.”

• Ballard’s 1999 expedition revealed an ancient shoreline. Also found were shells from freshwater and saltwater mollusk species. Their radiocarbon dates support the theory of a freshwater lake inundated by the Black Sea some 7,000 years ago.

• “Now we’ve got to take it to the next level,” says Ballard. Ballard and his team will use sonar and remotely operated vehicles to search for evidence of human inhabitation, including buildings, pottery, and ships.

• Nationalgeographic.com producer Sean Markey is searching along with Ballard. Join him on the Black Sea via dispatches on the expedition's progress

Dispatch 11: Ancient Shipwrecks - September 12, 2000

[Note: Nationalgeographic.com does not research or copyedit dispatches.]

On Sunday, the long-awaited replacement sonar for Argus arrived. Total installation time? “Oh, about 10 minutes. Maybe five,” ROV engineer Craig Elder tells me.

The team wastes little time putting it to work. Following a scheduled personnel transfer at Sinop, the Northern Horizon transits back to the expedition search site, specifically to an area about 8-10 miles [13-16 kilometers] off the coast. The team dives on it’s selected target, deploying the remotely operated vehicles (ROVs) Argus and Little Hercules. The vehicles now operate in tandem for the second time and are performing splendidly, 100 meters [328 feet] below the surface.

As Little Hercules skims above the sea floor, video cameras mounted on Argus, traveling above, display a birds-eye view of the ROV. The smaller Little Hercules, trailing its fiber-optic tether like a leash, looks like a headlight-equipped computer mouse navigating a foggy green sea floor.

At 12:57 a.m. the team spots the tell-tale signs of amphorae-carrying ship wreck. Some 350 clay amphorae—the tin cans and glass bottles of antiquity—lie scattered on the sea floor like an upturned box of Legos. The shipping vessels’ distinct, tapering shape (like carrots with round mouths and handles) inform the archaeologists that the ship originated in the nearby ancient trading center of Sinop. (“We’ve got the kilns [on land]” observes Dr. Fredrik Hiebert.)

Nautical archaeologist Cheryl Ward, who has joined the expedition team for four days, makes a preliminary estimate. The wreck is a 4th century, late Roman ship roughly dating to 350 A.D.

The watch is ecstatic. In the control room, Ballard congratulates his crew. “Alright. Not bad,” he says. “A little too recent. 400 [sic] A.D.”

The team logs and videotapes the site, then moves on to investigate other targets. (The wreck will be more closely investigated at a later time.)

Two-and-a-half hours later, the team finds yet another wreck. This ship appears smaller than the first, but—surprisingly—a number of wooden timbers from the hull remain. [The team has not yet plumbed the wood-preserving anoxic depths.] Ward, the nautical archaeologist, makes a preliminary estimate that the wreck is a Byzantine amphorae-carrying ship dating sometime around 550 A.D.

The shipwreck finds are significant. [“They have the potential to educate us a great deal,” Ward tells me later.]

The archaeologists are thrilled. Ballard doesn’t quite share their enthusiasm. “Rats,” he says. “It was supposed to be a house.”
 
Juan,

I've got some links for you :
Home page Morton :http://home.entouch.net/dmd/dmd.htm
Glenn Morton's Personal Stories of the Creation/Evolution Struggle :http://home.entouch.net/dmd/person.htm
Articles on Noah's Flood : http://home.entouch.net/dmd/fld.htm
The Geologic Column and Its Implications to the Flood :

http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/geologiccolumn.htm

It seems John Woodmorappe doesn't like him very much since the review of his book : Noah's ark : a feasibility study.

I'll let you comment about him, whenever you have some spare time.

As you could see in my previous post, Bob Ballard's research is a dead end.

Best regards,

Alexa





 
Seems the emphasis of research is on finding the location where Noah could have been.

Other wise .....If we have a simple beggining like One Father One Mother of all mankind ( Adam and Eve) then its logical to think...that in the beggining there
must be One language ....as there would be Just One origin . Its only afterward..
when the humanity got disperesed for whatever the reason ( Deluge , Flood, internatal strife , Wars, etc.etc..... ) Only then with passage of time...did different
languages emerged.
 
If we accept the idea of only one language, it's like we accept the world map like Homer or Anaximenes. If we take Hacataeus's map, we can suppose there was at leat one language, if not two or three.

I prepared a document of all the word's map I could find to see the location of humans habitates. There is no American continent in it. It's like all our classics didn't know about it !

Anyway, take a look at the maps and tell me if you still believe it was only one language. We have the advantage to have a global look of the Earth.

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Next maps. I have from Strabo 18 A.D, Pomponius Mela 40 AD, Petrus Bertius 1628, Dionysius 124 A.D., but they take too much place, so I cannot add them.
 

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Alexa,

Where did you get your maps, including the ones that you couldn't include? I would like to look at them all at my leisure. :)

Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine
 
Kindest Regards, Alexa and all!

Just a quick note to let you know you are not forgotten! :)

Thank you so much for the great information so far. I am thinking the material you provided about Bob Ballard is correct, it must have been Nat'l Geographic, not Nova. But I do seem to recall hsi team finding cut stones at right angles, implying walls, in addition to the ancient shipwrecks. I was not aware the water in the Black sea is poisonous below a certain depth until that program.

I don't have anything to add at this time, I have been consumed with work and school. Midterms in a couple of days and lots of homework besides. But I will return at some point and contribute as I can. Thanks again, and best of wishes! :)
 
Hi Juan, :)

Glad to see you are all right.

Don't worry. I know you are very busy, so I took the slow mode in-here. I didn't post anything else, as my research is too advanced and it seems I could't pass over the first step of the evolution of languages. I have promised you no time limit and I usually keep up my promises. ;)

The challenge is on as long you are interested in.

Actually, I'll be out of here for a few weeks in December. I can finally take my vacation and I've promised to my parents, I'll be with them for Christmas.

I wish you good luck with your finals. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you !

Best regards,

Alexa
 
Kindest Regards, Alexa!

My apologies for the long delay in responding. I have found a brief moment to catch my breath. Finals next week, and I'm done with my Bachelor's! YAY!

I hope you have an enjoyable holiday season, and a safe trip. I hope to have time to put together a proper response in a couple of weeks. Until then, kind regards and best of wishes.
 
Hello Juan,

It's not necessary to apology. I understand you perfectly and I don't envy you in this moment. Well, maybe I'll envy you next week, when finals will be over. ;)

My flight is this week, so I wish you a Merry Christmas and A Happy New Year !

I'll be back in January. Get some rest meanwhile, as I'm eager to see your comments on this thread.

Best regards,

Alexa
 
alexa said:
Knock, knock Juan ! Had some time to read the thread ? :)
Oh my, hello! Kindest Regards, Alexa!

Just got my computer back up running. I have been following along pretty well lurking in the background, I just haven't had time at home to answer anybody. And then I finally got the chance to answer back, and my machine died! Ahhh!

I just can't bring myself to part with my five year old machine. I feel blessed to have even it, and I don't want to afford a new one, at least not just yet. I have other priorities for my paycheck.

I hope all is well with you and yours.

I haven't spent any time recently on the subject of the development of the languages, but it seems to me the Western languages developed from some form of sanskrit, which I think is a root of the East Indian language. The Eastern languages; Chinese, Japanese, Korean and others, had a common beginning, but I am not certain the relation with sanskrit. The Chinese and other oriental languages are written pictographically, by my understanding. A good analogy would be Egyptian, in that each symbol represents a great deal more than an isolated sound. Instead of writing alphabetically, oriental languages kind of draw a picture. I have heard of many Chinese characters that actually resemble, in an indoctrinated way, what it is they represent. For example (which may be inaccurate and wide open to correction please by someone more knowledgeable), the word "house" might be represented by a symbol that looks to the initiated like a house. I seem to recall hearing somewhere that the Chinese word for something like "discord" or "strife", was a roof with two women underneath! (one of those amusing but true stories)

Again, I do not know this to be proper, and I haven't spent a great deal of time with any specific language. Alphabetical languages have some unusual variations as well. One interesting language is Ogham, a primitive form of written Irish.

Of course, a discussion of symbolic language could also include mathematics. My understanding is that that too, developed in Mesopotamia, along with star gazing (astronomy) and calender making.
 
Hello juantoo3 ! :)

It's good to have you back. Thanks. My family is all right. I hope yours, too.
How do you feel as a graduate ? Any thoughts to study something else in the future ?

I didn't spend much time for this thread either. I was waiting for you to see which direction would be more interesting to take.

I've found a site of languages ressources. Very interesting and instructive. You can find on it informations regarding extinct languages, those on imminent danger to become extinct, the ancient one, contructed languages and language families. They also provide dictionaries, writing systems, etc.

http://www.ling.ed.ac.uk/linguist/images/index_r1_c1.gif


I'm afraid that if we try to go through all the languages development (around 7000 as per linguists) we need the entire life and still have to live the research unfinished. This is a huge data base. Maybe we can look only a few of the ancient and extinct languages. There are 226 included :

http://www.ling.ed.ac.uk/linguist/forms/langs/GetListOfAncientLgs.html

A lot of them were classified as Old (following by French, English, Aramaic, Chinese, etc). Others can be recognised by their name : Akkadian, Ammonite, Edomite, Hittite, Moabite, Old Aramaic, etc.

If we analyse the diversity of all these languages, can we really accept that the Whole Earth was of One Language ? (see post 1)

I'll wait for your feed-back.

Best regards,

Alexa :)

P.S. you are not the only one with computers problems lately. And I'm not talking about myself this time. ;)
 
If we analyse the diversity of all these languages, can we really accept that the Whole Earth was of One Language ? (see post 1)
I have read the thread twice. Can I join in this for a little bit?

I want to read more of the material posted here and I have a couple of things.
First I would have to ask Why can't we accept that the earth was of one language? reguardless of how complex each language is? Or am I seeing this as a different discussion as in just trying to figure out where each language came from?

I am thinking Noah and the seven landed right there in Turkey, so there is the start. Then the tower of Babylon, well that was not going to fly. I have always believed God literally confounded the one language to make it so it was impossible for them to communicate in building this tower.

I also say this because there are many places where God used speech, language, tongues for different purposes.

Is that where this is coming from?:confused:


11:4And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. 11:5And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. 11:6And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
11:7Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
11:8So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth. "confound": 1101 balal baw-lal' a primitive root; to overflow (specifically with oil.); by implication, to mix; also (denominatively from 1098) to fodder:--anoint, confound, X fade, mingle, mix (self), give provender, temper.
 
Kindest Regards, Bandit, and welcome to CR!
Bandit said:
Can I join in this for a little bit?
By all means, the more, the merrier!

First I would have to ask Why can't we accept that the earth was of one language? reguardless of how complex each language is? Or am I seeing this as a different discussion as in just trying to figure out where each language came from?
I have no problem accepting the factual evidence. But blind belief without question is, well, unwise.

This thread is in reality a continuation of a previous thread, "morality in evolution." Believe it or not, we are on the same side. The difference between us is blind acceptance.(*please excuse, absolutely no slight intended*) If indeed the truth is that the earth was of one language at a point in time, shouldn't the evidence indicate that that is precisely what happened? The data must be present if the fact occurred.

It is better, as a scholar don't you think, to look to where the evidence leads, rather than beginning with a presumption and interpreting all data skewed toward that presumption? God doesn't mind being questioned, if you will, if your heart and mind are pointed in the correct direction.

I am thinking Noah and the seven landed right there in Turkey, so there is the start. Then the tower of Babylon, well that was not going to fly. I have always believed God literally confounded the one language to make it so it was impossible for them to communicate in building this tower.
"Right there in Turkey" is an interesting place unto itself, Ararat being at the geopolitical congruence of three regional powers: Turkey, Russia and Iran. Babylon, the city and tower, are "just" south in Iraq, the land of Abraham is Ur of the Chaldees, in Iraq. This area of Iraq (the fertile crescent, including Baghdad and Ur) is the birthplace of civilization, warfare was first learned, fortresses were first built, agriculture was developed, textiles were developed, math was developed, astronomy was developed. The Bible tells us these things, somewhat metaphorically, but it is all supported by archeology as well. The truth is supported by other truth, which means in this case that fact is supported by fact.

The Tower of Babel is known to exist, though archeology I am familiar with doesn't know a great deal about it, the who, what, why, etc. That is one place the Bible does not get a great deal of direct outside support.

If indeed the languages do all have a common root, then it is fair to presume that civilized modern humans have a common ancestry, much closer than the hundred thousand or so years going back to whatever proto-sapiens we presumably derived from. Were Adam and Eve Cro-Magnon? Neandertal? Or even earlier? Or, *ahem*, later? And when exactly did humanity learn to think, that is, when did Adam first eat of the tree of knowledge?

I also say this because there are many places where God used speech, language, tongues for different purposes.
Certainly, according to tradition.

How did people communicate before Adam and Eve? Why do we have cave paintings dating conservatively from ten thousand years ago, some thought to be as much as twenty plus thousand years ago, which I think would place them at the cusp of the sunset of the Neandertal. And what about Cro-Magnon and Neandertal being able to interbreed? What about bone flutes dating even much earlier still? Did humans teach themselves music before they learned to speak? What place do fire, tools and weapons have in the Genesis story?

Yes, the "word" has many connotations. Some attach a spiritual meaning to it, and that is fine in that context. But context is crucial to understanding, and in this context we are speaking of the mechanics of physical language among humans.

Is that where this is coming from?:confused:
I hope that helps clear any confusion you may have had. If not, let me know, and I will do my best to clarify what it is I mean.

If you would like, might I suggest going through the verses you have quoted here, and supporting with hard evidence, or at least scholarly speculation based on archeological or anthropological evidence.

Such as perhaps:
11:4And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
We know the Tower exists. We know its position in Iraq. Was this the act of one Semitic tribe among many human tribes that somehow escaped the deluge in other parts of the world? Or do all tribes of people stem from this one Semitic tribe? I realize the tradition taught in the modern Christian faith. What is the genetic reality, the hard evidentiary fact of the matter? Does it agree with the Bible? Or not?

I might add, that reverting to the flood of Noah automatically without evidencial support is appealing to authority, which a scholar cannot do (unless all likeminded scholars appeal to the same authority, which could just as easily be called blind faith or dogma). In an open forum such as this, a student may not recognize the authority you call upon. So, if you wish to contribute, which I wholeheartedly encourage please, be certain to support your statements with more than the Bible alone.

Only because in my experience the Flood of Noah is a really tough sell from a scholarship point, and because of a statement made in an earlier discussion by Alexa, did she and I decide to begin with the dividing of the languages, because there is evidenciary fact, and to my knowledge it hasn't been explored very deeply among scholars in making certain connections.

I believe in God. But I cannot let the traditions I have been taught color my neutral exploration of the subject. Either it was, or it wasn't, or somewhere in between, the evidence will tell. Unless one is afraid to seek the truth?

I hope I have not come across too heavy. I have been reading your posts elsewhere, and I am impressed. I hope you will participate here as well, although I don't get to as often as I used to.
 
Kindest Regards, Alexa!:)
alexa said:
It's good to have you back.
Thanks. It's nice to be back, but as you can see, not nearly as often.

My family is all right. I hope yours, too.
Everyone here is fine, thank you for asking.

How do you feel as a graduate ? Any thoughts to study something else in the future ?
Oh my, I had no idea my degree would be such a great thing. I am taking an extended break for the moment, but I intend to pick a university for a Master's in Hospital Administration, possibly for the summer semester. Part time though, I'm burnt.

I didn't spend much time for this thread either. I was waiting for you to see which direction would be more interesting to take.
Well, I'm pleased Bandit joined us, I think he brought out some good discussion points if they can be kept in context and developed. Like with so very many myths, there is usually some kernal of truth. I think we are looking for those kernals.

I've found a site of languages ressources. Very interesting and instructive. You can find on it informations regarding extinct languages, those on imminent danger to become extinct, the ancient one, contructed languages and language families. They also provide dictionaries, writing systems, etc.

Thank you for the links. One didn't open for me, I think the security at work. But I printed the other and haven't had a lot of time to go through it yet. From what I have seen, a lot of the languages can be overlooked because they are irrelevent to our discussion, they are too young, too obscure, or too vague. Even in keeping to the main language families we have sufficient to establish a basic framework. So the "dead" languages are mostly a, ummmm, dead end. Unless they are old enough and pertinent to the initial expansion out of Sumaria.

What we need for this would be a linguist versed in the primitive languages, at least enough to walk us through the earliest known beginnings.

If we analyse the diversity of all these languages, can we really accept that the Whole Earth was of One Language ? (see post 1)
Well, without the analysis we can't really say, can we? At this point, not having done the homework and relying on what I recall from earlier studies, several of the major language families have a common ancestry, the major problem being the oriental languages and whether or not it can be shown they too are related at some very early time. Pictographic languages are very different from alphabetical languages, but alphabetical languages began as pictographic languages.

And while it isn't directly related to the dispersion of the languages, Bandit hit on some other supporting (or not) directions to look, such as how closely we are related genetically, and in relation to other animals. How has humanity dispersed through the continents (open to conjecture)? What about technological developments that coexisted with the development of language; fire, tools, weapons, music, religion?

Until next time, :)
 
If indeed the languages do all have a common root, then it is fair to presume that civilized modern humans have a common ancestry, much closer than the hundred thousand or so years going back to whatever proto-sapiens we presumably derived from. Were Adam and Eve Cro-Magnon? Neandertal? Or even earlier? Or, *ahem*, later? And when exactly did humanity learn to think, that is, when did Adam first eat of the tree of knowledge?

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I also say this because there are many places where God used speech, language, tongues for different purposes.

Certainly, according to tradition.

How did people communicate before Adam and Eve? Why do we have cave paintings dating conservatively from ten thousand years ago, some thought to be as much as twenty plus thousand years ago, which I think would place them at the cusp of the sunset of the Neandertal. And what about Cro-Magnon and Neandertal being able to interbreed? What about bone flutes dating even much earlier still? Did humans teach themselves music before they learned to speak? What place do fire, tools and weapons have in the Genesis story?

Yes, the "word" has many connotations. Some attach a spiritual meaning to it, and that is fine in that context. But context is crucial to understanding, and in this context we are speaking of the mechanics of physical language among humans.

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Is that where this is coming from?:confused:

I hope that helps clear any confusion you may have had. If not, let me know, and I will do my best to clarify what it is I mean.

Ok. You did clear up the thread for me. I will see what I can find on tools, fire and weapons in Genises. LOL

You have a lot of questions, more than I can ever answer for sure. You will be searching this for a long time and Neandertal-Cro-Magnon is out of my league. This a life long study but I am glad someone is doing it especially for the languages.

How do we know for sure that maybe, something extraordinary (bigger than the flood) happened to earth that wiped out everything that could have lived prior to Adam and Eve? Is it possible that such an event could throw off the estimated ages of the remains they find, by the use of the tools they use to prove age? Just making you think.:)

I really only have experience in hearing dialects and different languages from a young age, then hearing them later and being around them especially Hatian and Arab. I do believe there is a hidden mystery behind what you are looking for. I don't think what I have to share is going to help much. Sorry.
Good luck and have fun. If I get the chance to pop in with some 'evidence' I will surely do it.:) I wish everyone the best.

For now this is all I have and it is old news.:(
neanderkid.jpeg

Analysis of the skeletal remains of a four-year-old child buried in a Portuguese rock-shelter 25,000 to 24,500 years ago has yielded startling evidence that early modern humans and Neandertals may have interbred. While the boy's prominent chin, tooth size, and pelvic measurements marked him as a Cro-Magnon, or fully modern human, his stocky body and short legs indicate Neandertal heritage, says Erik Trinkaus, a paleoanthropologist at Washington University in St. Louis. Interbreeding could answer the vexed question of the fate of the Neandertals, the last of whom disappeared from the Iberian Peninsula 28,000 years ago.
 
Kindest Regards, Bandit!

Thank you for your post, and most especially the "hybrid" child photo, I knew of the existence, but had not seen the photo.
Bandit said:
You have a lot of questions, more than I can ever answer for sure. You will be searching this for a long time and Neandertal-Cro-Magnon is out of my league. This a life long study but I am glad someone is doing it especially for the languages.
Thanks, I know its gonna take a while, but I've already invested a bit of effort to this point. I guess its a hobby, a labor of love.

How do we know for sure that maybe, something extraordinary (bigger than the flood) happened to earth that wiped out everything that could have lived prior to Adam and Eve? Is it possible that such an event could throw off the estimated ages of the remains they find, by the use of the tools they use to prove age? Just making you think.:)
Well, one source I read explained a South American Native tradition that the world had been destroyed 7 times. And the meteor in the Yucatan thing that wiped out the dinosaurs...(there is a lot of discussion in this forum in different places over the past year that cover these things and a whole lot more). But always there is a remnant that continues on. Regarding the Flood of Noah however, the geologic evidence seems to indicate a more regional flood. "The whole world" was the great plain they had never been beyond. The peoples who lived elsewhere (6th day creation) were not as seriously affected, although I suspect and can't prove as of yet, that there was a great deal of tectonic movement. As for Adam and Eve, I am still guessing. Various places for Eden are proposed by differing regional customs, but the seeming most valid to me at this point is Aden, in the country of Yemen.

As for the tools, I had that discussion earlier with a very knowledgeable lady who corrected some of the misinformation I had on the subject. It makes for some pretty good reading, I think. I forget exactly where, but if there's a thread about evolution, especially with a contrast with religion, I've posted. In short, if the researchers are aware of possible contaminants, they adjust. And I wasn't aware that samples are cross checked with independent labs.

I do believe there is a hidden mystery behind what you are looking for.
I do too, and I wonder why it is a mystery, or why it needs to be a mystery.

Good luck and have fun. If I get the chance to pop in with some 'evidence' I will surely do it.:) I wish everyone the best.
Thanks, and by all means please do.
 
From what I have seen, a lot of the languages can be overlooked because they are irrelevent to our discussion, they are too young, too obscure, or too vague. Even in keeping to the main language families we have sufficient to establish a basic framework. So the "dead" languages are mostly a, ummmm, dead end. Unless they are old enough and pertinent to the initial expansion out of Sumaria.

What we need for this would be a linguist versed in the primitive languages, at least enough to walk us through the earliest known beginnings.

OK, I had a chance to look over the list I printed out, and some things are getting refreshed in my mind, and other things are starting to make sense. The list confirms that Sumerian is the first known written language, which sources I recall from textbooks (like the humanities book I'm almost through with) dates from the bronze age at the dawn of agriculture. The list also notes a few other bronze age languages, including a pre-celt language called sorothapic. One place on the list noted two main language families, "indo-european" (which I think is the sanskrit I mentioned), and "non indo-european." If I understand correctly, non indo-european may actually be also non related to each other. Some appear to be, others appear not to be. And if I read it correctly, the oriental languages fall here, although I was surprised to learn that not all non indo-european languages became oriental languages.

Some other interesting side studies are the relations between the different celtic languages. And how aramaic and canaanitic languages feed each other, and interrelate with persian and iranian languages. Also interesting is how korean seems to be surrounded, yet still remains distinct from other oriental languages. Sadly, there is little to note Africa, except a Sudanese language I can't seem to find on the list again, and ancient Egypt.

Language is about the movement of peoples. If a people grows, so does their language. Living languages grow, and morph, and absorb. Science uses dead languages, Latin and Greek, because these languages do not change any longer. But modern English, French, Spanish, German, Dutch are constantly changing as old words gain new meaning, and new words are developed or adopted. It was the same during the bronze and iron age, languages morphed, unless and until they were absorbed or wiped out. As people conquered or fell victim to conquerers, their language followed them and moved with them across continents.

So, if the world was at one time of one language, what language would that be? Sumerian? Akkadian? And/or did the oriental languages branch off from here as well, or were they already in existence? What ramifications does this have to the fabled Tower?
 
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