Reincarnation Within Monotheism?

[Aupmanyav]

When I was born I came out dead. My mother said that the cord had wrapped around my neck. She was told the doctor refused to give up on me even though a lot of time had passed while I was dead. What karmic debt does a new born have?

My point was that sometimes karma, bad karma isnt a result of anything we have done wrong but sometimes wrong things that others are doing.

Bad karma, according to theist hindu belief, is always because of one's action. And Gods always keep a remainder even after one has been through one's share of stays in heaven (for good karmas) and hell (for bad karmas. These are to be gone through separately in hinduism instead of an everlasting heaven or hell). This remainder is known as 'Prarabhda karma' (karma from previous lives). The results of the 'Prarabhda karma' fructify without notice. That is why somebody gets hurt in an automobile accident or wins a lottery. Even the new borns have been through many lives and have a remainder in their karmic account, it could be good or bad.

 

[donnann]

Bad karma, according to theist hindu belief, is always because of one's action. And Gods always keep a remainder even after one has been through one's share of stays in heaven (for good karmas) and hell (for bad karmas. These are to be gone through separately in hinduism instead of an everlasting heaven or hell). This remainder is known as 'Prarabhda karma' (karma from previous lives). The results of the 'Prarabhda karma' fructify without notice. That is why somebody gets hurt in an automobile accident or wins a lottery. Even the new borns have been through many lives and have a remainder in their karmic account, it could be good or bad.

I know for sure that I have never been here on earth before. so my point was what did I do to deserve dying before I came out of my mothers womb?

 

[Nick the Pilot]

"...what did I do to deserve dying before I came out of my mothers womb?"

--> You will find out at the moment of your death (when all causes and effects in your present lifetime are examined and explained to you). The only way to find out right now is to consult a good psychic.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I know for sure that I have never been here on earth before. so my point was what did I do to deserve dying before I came out of my mothers womb?

Only the enlightened know about their previous births (Buddha did). You are not enlightened, how would you know?

 

[A Cup Of Tea]

Donnann, I'm not saying that your idea of Karma is wrong, how do I know, but you should recognize that it is different from that of the major religions that teach Karma.

 

[radarmark]

donnann,

You are mistaken about your concept of karma. I am not siding with either Guf or Karma, merely emphacizing that Karma is believed by many more than the existence of Guf. It is merely the law of cause and effect applied to the life-force or soul. Of course one would not remember previous lives... like one does not remember Guf.

Neither is right or wrong or true or false (IMHO)... Just different explanations of a "soul" that is "eternal" (or nearly so).

 

[donnann]

donnann,

You are mistaken about your concept of karma. I am not siding with either Guf or Karma, merely emphacizing that Karma is believed by many more than the existence of Guf. It is merely the law of cause and effect applied to the life-force or soul. Of course one would not remember previous lives... like one does not remember Guf.

Neither is right or wrong or true or false (IMHO)... Just different explanations of a "soul" that is "eternal" (or nearly so).

Ok. I understand that. Sometimes though karma may not be a cause and effect of ones own soul but others souls invading someones karmic space. Its like auras. Auras are that space around your body. So I was trying to make a point about karmic law. One law is that you should not invade someone elses karmic space with things that oppose their soul....lack of compassion, hate, things like that. In essence things like that oppose even the person doing thats own soul. I know for sure I do not have previous lives here on earth, but I do know others have. The guf is the place of new souls , not the same place as the old soul recycleing center. I believe when your born your old soul is made new again ,healed. Its like a clean slate. There is past life regression therapy though , so I believe those who have been here before have a memory of their lives somewhere inside their intellect.

 

[A Cup Of Tea]

No donnann, what your talking about isn't karma. It might be something else, but it's not the same thing as what everyone else is talking about when day say 'karma'.

 

[donnann]

No donnann, what your talking about isn't karma. It might be something else, but it's not the same thing as what everyone else is talking about when day say 'karma'.

What do you mean by karma? Can you explain to me what you mean?

 

[A Cup Of Tea]

Aupmanyav, please step in and explain Karma, you happen to come from the karma centre of the world. It would be presumptuous for me to explain it in this company.

 

[Aupmanyav]

What do you mean by karma? Can you explain to me what you mean?

Your action and how it affects other people (you may include animals and vegetation if you want a strict interpretation).

 

[Aupmanyav]

Aupmanyav, please step in and explain Karma, you happen to come from the karma center of the world. It would be presumptuous for me to explain it in this company.

Yes, I come from the Karma Center of the world. I have tried to explain it in my post # 101. I would be happy to answer if you have a question.

Can Gods and Goddesses in their mercy absolve a person of his/her bad karmas? Yes, they can if there is a genuine change of heart. But that does not ring true. How can a God or Goddess interfere in justice? It rankles me (like accepting Jesus as the son of God and God being the panacea). I would take the case to the next higher court. Not fair.

 

[A Cup Of Tea]

Yes, I come from the Karma Center of the world. I have tried to explain it in my post # 101. I would be happy to answer if you have a question.

Quite right, so donnann, I put the following forward as the generally accepted definition of Karma. If you have any questions you know who to turn to.

Bad karma, according to theist hindu belief, is always because of one's action. And Gods always keep a remainder even after one has been through one's share of stays in heaven (for good karmas) and hell (for bad karmas. These are to be gone through separately in hinduism instead of an everlasting heaven or hell). This remainder is known as 'Prarabhda karma' (karma from previous lives). The results of the 'Prarabhda karma' fructify without notice. That is why somebody gets hurt in an automobile accident or wins a lottery. Even the new borns have been through many lives and have a remainder in their karmic account, it could be good or bad.

 

[Bhaktajan II]

assume the verses refer to reincarnation,

Certainly, we have no record of any Christian tradition of teaching reincarnation,

Thomas

Hare Krishna.

On third Day Christ rose from the dead.

This was unprecedented testament that the soul lives on after death.

The life and 'Resurrection and ascension' of Jesus was all about the nature of the soul.

The term Reincarnation is reserved for total return of the deceased in tact before they left.

So if Jesus returns just as he was (or un-changed from when he was last here) that would be defined as 'Reincarnation'.

In eastern scriptures the word 'Atma' is soul. It is written that the Atma 'transmigrates' to another body-vessel to birth in.

Re-birth of a soul into a new body (samsara) as befits the total sum fruit of a person's works (Karma performed and Karma earned).

Btw what baring has 'Monotheism' have on the concept of 'Reincarnation'?

'Reincarnation' (aside from returning Avatar Incarnations) really refers to 'the soul of a person lives again, but in a new body with a new bodily identification'.

'bodily identification' is a 'false ego' construct (in sanskrit, ahankara).

bodily identification is the basis for 'the fall' from Heaven, we are servants of Ishvara.

The supreme 'controller' is who the soul seeks to serve.

Without that specific service, we are Souls reincarnating endlessly in samsara because will serve the temporary dictates of 'false ego' (ahankara).

Hare Krishna,
mohinishaktidevi

 

[donnann]

Hare Krishna.

On third Day Christ rose from the dead.

This was unprecedented testament that the soul lives on after death.

The life and 'Resurrection and ascension' of Jesus was all about the nature of the soul.

The term Reincarnation is reserved for total return of the deceased in tact before they left.

So if Jesus returns just as he was (or un-changed from when he was last here) that would be defined as 'Reincarnation'.

In eastern scriptures the word 'Atma' is soul. It is written that the Atma 'transmigrates' to another body-vessel to birth in.

Re-birth of a soul into a new body (samsara) as befits the total sum fruit of a person's works (Karma performed and Karma earned).

Btw what baring has 'Monotheism' have on the concept of 'Reincarnation'?

'Reincarnation' (aside from returning Avatar Incarnations) really refers to 'the soul of a person lives again, but in a new body with a new bodily identification'.

'bodily identification' is a 'false ego' construct (in sanskrit, ahankara).

bodily identification is the basis for 'the fall' from Heaven, we are servants of Ishvara.

The supreme 'controller' is who the soul seeks to serve.

Without that specific service, we are Souls reincarnating endlessly in samsara because will serve the temporary dictates of 'false ego' (ahankara).

Hare Krishna,
mohinishaktidevi

Your right about jesus being proof of the living on after the body has died. The resurrection proves the body is included in resurrection. There would be no point if the body were not included, the resurrection would have never happened.