Boston Bombers Muslim??

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This the opportunity for our members here to discuss, the what and why you think is behind this.

To me, if the Westboro Baptist Church, or the KKK or anyone uses the bible as an assault weapon to rally the troops and get folks to committ atrocities or acts of stupidity it is time for Christians to distance themselves from the teachings of the preachers of hate, intolerance and violence.


I am very interested in learning your thoughts and opinions as this plays out.

I don't believe the Quran allows such an attack, and this is not an act that anyone claiming Islam, following the Quran and the pillars could do....but of someone acting outside of the religion and being coerced by non Quranic hadiths and Imams...
 
from time.com

As police continue to search Boston for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the 19-year-old believed to be partly responsible for the Boston Marathon bombings along with his older brother Tamerlan, a key question remains unanswered: What motivated the brothers?

Each of them has left possible clues online.

Tamerlan, who was killed in a shootout earlier today, appears to have been sympathetic to Islamist radicalism. Five months ago he appears to have created a channel on YouTube called “Terrorists.” The channel features videos from the one of the leaders of the insurgency in Dagestan who goes by the name Amir Abu Dudzhan. YouTube appears to have removed two of the videos but in a third features Dudzhan calling for jihad. Holding a Kalashnikov rifle, he says, “Jihad is the duty of every able-bodied Muslim.”

Among the other videos on his channel is one of Timur Mutsuraev, the bard of the Chechen resistance in the 1990s; it features his song, “We will devote our lives to jihad.”

The younger brother, Dzokhar, attended school in the Russian Republic of Dagestan from 1999 to 2001, a war-torn part of Russia next to Chechnya, according to his page on a Russian social networking site, Vkontakte. But even though Dzhokhar Tsarnaev indicates on the page an interest in conflicts and causes that have at times been connected to terrorist no solid evidence has emerged so far to suggest that he is motivated by religious or nationalist causes.

On his Vkontakte page he posted video messages sympathetic to the cause of Chechen independence—but Chechen independence from Russia is a cause that has the support of secular as well as Islamist activists. He also expresses sympathy for rebel fighters in Syria and elsewhere. One video bears the Russian title “For those who have a heart,” showing people being brutalized by uniformed men in a country the video identifies as Syria. “They are killing your brothers and sisters without any reason,” the Russian subtitles of the video read. “Simply because they say our Lord is Allah.” The conflict in Syria, however, is almost entirely fought by Muslims on both the rebel and government sides—although the war is increasingly marked by sectarianism, with the Sunni Muslim majority making up the bulk of the rebel forces and the Alawite minority generally supporting the government of Bashar Assad.

Another video on his page seems at first glance to suggest a sympathy for Salafi Islam, an extreme form of Sunni Islam. The video is posted from a blog named Salyafi Street—but it turns out to be about a young blind boy who thanks God for his blindness because it will mean greater mercy for him when God’s judgement comes.

Such videos are relatively common among Muslim youth throughout Russia—and in the ethnic Chechen diaspora—and Tsarnaev’s page contains much lighter fare as well. It features clips from a Russian sketch comedy show that plays on the accents of men from Chechnya and other regions of the Russian Caucasus. In many ways the page seems to be that of a normal ethnically Chechen kid.
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Hi, peace!

This is the ayat (verse) that I think explains what many Muslims believe:

The Noble Qur'an: "Allah does not forbid you to be kind and equitable to those who have neither fought against your faith nor driven you out of your homes. In fact Allah loves the equitable." Surah 60, ayat 8

The above verse tells you that when a people are kind to you, God does not justify you to be unkind to them. The bombers DID NOT abide by this rule. They came to America, were accepted, went to school, worked, etc. People did not do anything to them to justify the evil they did. I believe that violence is NOT an answer to anything. It just breeds more hate and evil. See what they did? Not only were lives lost, including the life of a child, but they now created more fear and mistrust among people of different religious backgrounds. What bridges we have worked hard to build are once again shaken. It is very sad. :(
 
All three Abrahamic religions have scripture that enforces genocide of all other religions, this is nothing new. All three Abrahamic religions have also engaged in religious genocide at one time or another, again nothing new.
 
I don't see the point with that statement, Etu? It would seem as though you equate all the Christians, all the Jews, and all the Muslims with child killing bombers. Was that the point?
 
I think an appropriate response is: Well it's new to a lot of us, including most of the Abrahamic religions.
 
Oh come on . . . there were three major Judaic wars against the Roman Empire and Paganism directly

The Crusades lasted an unimaginable 196 years (1095 and 1291) where anything that moved which wasn't Christian was killed.

Now, we have the Muslim extremists and their scripture condoning violence

Like I said, nothing new . . . as for Judeo-Christian Scripture condoning the genocide of other religions and their people . . . no problem, glad you asked.


-God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21).

-God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. -He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3).

-He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6).

-In (Judges 21) He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead

-In (2 Kings 10:18-27) God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church!
 
Etu Malku said:
Oh come on . . . there were three major Judaic wars against the Roman Empire and Paganism directly

The Crusades lasted an unimaginable 196 years (1095 and 1291) where anything that moved which wasn't Christian was killed.

Now, we have the Muslim extremists and their scripture condoning violence

Like I said, nothing new . . . as for Judeo-Christian Scripture condoning the genocide of other religions and their people . . . no problem, glad you asked.


-God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21).

-God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. -He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3).

-He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6).

-In (Judges 21) He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead

-In (2 Kings 10:18-27) God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church!
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Any Christian scriptures? I can think of the book of Revelation, but that's a vision that needs to be symbolically interpreted as a transformation of the psyche, imo. There's the hellfire thing, that that is really more closely associated with being tortured by your own desires. I recall a verse where Jesus's followers asked if he wanted them to cause fire to come down from heaven on a town that rejected them, but Jesus rebuked them for even asking such a thing. (Too bad the later supposed followers of Jesus in their political orientated organizations didn't heed Jesus's rebuke to his disciples about this when they went on their killing sprees!)
 
seattlegal said:
Any Christian scriptures? I can think of the book of Revelation, but that's a vision that needs to be symbolically interpreted as a transformation of the psyche, imo. There's the hellfire thing, that that is really more closely associated with being tortured by your own desires. I recall a verse where Jesus's followers asked if he wanted them to cause fire to come down from heaven on a town that rejected them, but Jesus rebuked them for even asking such a thing. (Too bad the later supposed followers of Jesus in their political orientated organizations didn't heed Jesus's rebuke to his disciples about this when they went on their killing sprees!)
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Are you asking for NT scriptures? Because I just posted a bunch from the C. Bible (OT)
 
Well, there aren't any like that in the NT . . . but Jesus does say to follow the OT because it is the Word of God too. But, I know that today's Christians will say that the OT was fulfilled and that the NT is the Way of Christ.

Still doesn't dismiss the almost 200 years of the Crusades where Christianity tried to eliminate those who were not Christian. It's the same concept as what Muslim Extremists are all about.
 
Etu Malku said:
Well, there aren't any like that in the NT . . . but Jesus does say to follow the OT because it is the Word of God too. But, I know that today's Christians will say that the OT was fulfilled and that the NT is the Way of Christ.

Still doesn't dismiss the almost 200 years of the Crusades where Christianity tried to eliminate those who were not Christian. It's the same concept as what Muslim Extremists are all about.
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Have you seen this list yet?

Twentieth Century Atlas - Historical Body Count
 
That chart and the one after it....and before it click on war dead during biblical times is an indication that War and genocide kept our population at bay....

Look at the growth the last 50 years...without the millions slaughtered in war...the world population doubled.....hmmmm....
 
Etu Malku,

Like non religionists, or followers of polytheistic faiths, monotheists have screwed up many times. Sadly. :(

In regards to islamic scripture--Qur'an, it NEVER once speaks of "holy" wars. In fact, Qur'an says of war as unnecessary evil. The concept of "holy" war within Muslim communities has no islamic origin. "Jihad" means no war in a sense of how it is portrayed by some today. It means struggle, and one can struggle with himself or by non-violent mean.

The only time Muslims are justified to use violence is ONLY in self-defense. Even then, they are continually reminded in the Qur'an that being patient and using restraint is better. People are going to make mistakes, do evil things, and misinterpret what they are instructed. It is a terrible human condition. However, millions of monotheist DO NOT engage in wars or attack others first, and this fact in itself proves that majority of people who believe in One God (Jews, Christian and Muslims) live peacefully with the rest of the world.

I do not hear outrage against Buddhists in Burma/Mynamar who have been murdering Muslims for decades. It is a quiet genocide and no one is saying anything about it. We know that although Buddhism promotes mostly peace, the peaceful commands can be bypassed if they consider Buddhist rule and teaching as threatened.

Here are the verse from the Qur'an:

He does not forbid you to deal kindly and justly with anyone who has not fought you for your faith or driven you out of your homes: God loves the just. -Qur'an 60:8


. . . help one another to do what is right and good; do not help one another towards sin and hostility -Qur'an 5:2

Qur'an Chapter 22, verses 39-41: Those who have been attacked are permitted to take up arms because they have been wronged – God has the power to help them – those who have been driven unjustly from their homes only for saying, ‘Our Lord is God.’ If God did not repel some people by means of others, many monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, where God’s name is much invoked, would have been destroyed. God is sure to help those who help His cause – God is strong and mighty – those who, when We establish them in the land, keep up the prayer, pay the prescribed alms, command what is right, and forbid what is wrong: God controls the outcome of all events.

"But if they incline towards peace, you [Prophet] must also incline towards it, and put your trust in God: He is the All Hearing, the All Knowing. If they intend to deceive you, God is enough for you: - Qur'an 8:61–2

Forgive and forbear until God brings about His order. - Qur'an: 2:109; see also 29:59; 16:42

Jihad in the form of war " becomes an obligation for defending religious freedom (22:39–41), for self-defence (2:190) and defending those who are oppressed: men, women and children who cry for help (4:75). It is the duty of the Muslims to help the oppressed, except against a people with whom the Muslims have a treaty (8:72)" (Islamic Awareness - IslamicAwareness.com - Learn more about Islam)

Fight in God’s cause against those who fight you, but do not overstep the limits: God does not love those who overstep the limits. - Qur'an 2:190


Prophet, tell those you have taken captive, ‘If God knows of any good in your hearts, He will give you something better than what has been taken from you, and He will forgive you: God is forgiving and merciful.’ But if they mean to betray you, they have betrayed God before, and He has given you mastery over them. -Qur'an 8:70–1
 
Etu Malku said:
Oh come on . . . there were three major Judaic wars against the Roman Empire and Paganism directly

The Crusades lasted an unimaginable 196 years (1095 and 1291) where anything that moved which wasn't Christian was killed.

Now, we have the Muslim extremists and their scripture condoning violence

Like I said, nothing new . . . as for Judeo-Christian Scripture condoning the genocide of other religions and their people . . . no problem, glad you asked.
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I've heard of murderers that claim satan told them to do it, what a murderous belief system you belong to, right! You should stop with that before you kill someone, it's right there in your religion. I don't feel like thinking any deeper then that, I'm just going to assume that all luciferians are evil and/or stupid because it's way simpler then actually judging people by their own individual actions.
 
Etu Malku said:
Well, there aren't any like that in the NT . . . but Jesus does say to follow the OT because it is the Word of God too. But, I know that today's Christians will say that the OT was fulfilled and that the NT is the Way of Christ.

Still doesn't dismiss the almost 200 years of the Crusades where Christianity tried to eliminate those who were not Christian. It's the same concept as what Muslim Extremists are all about.
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The crusades sound pretty Antichrist to me, imo.
 
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