The Soul

radarmark said:
It is the man-made concepts (in language and math) that get in the way. The real experience is "beyond". The actuality is not what we think, it is what we grok. Spiritual or mystical experiences are (IMHO) just everyday experience that are beyond words or thought.
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At first it is - for instance: I understand much better than I did all those months ago when I was last active here, how my life situation fits in to the themes I incarnated to experience. A general feeling of understanding and expectation for possibilities has replaced my rampant desire to understand.
I have a generalized outline of a series of incarnations (I have no idea if they were all me, or simply similarly vibrating entities) which to glean some sort of theme for my existence. Sounds a simple thing, but it has done wonders for me.

The reason I can be so satisfied with the little bit of information I have, is because you can INDEED separate the layers of reality I see. It is not easy, and it has taken years of practice, but it IS possible to leave the body without being trapped in the miasma of the Astral. One can "step back" far enough from the physical to gain a clear perspective, for a moment or two. The effect of such an exposure is cumulative, and memories begin to stick with more tenacity.

I have problems with the idea of a "mystical experience" that takes place under the guidance of the subconscious.
 
donnann said:
to elaborate on the Guf. It is the place where the new souls were kept. It is not the place where old souls are recycled. There was only a finite number of souls in the guf.
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If I had once, just once, had the experience of Time out of the body, I would be able to see that story as something other than symbolic.

I have always found similarity between the concepts I have discovered and the Ancient Jewish line of thought. I even wondered for a while if Jews weren't at one time all psychics. I must admit to a similar gulf between ancient and modern ideas in the Jew, as exists between ancient and modern Christians.

I do want to thank you for posting this however, as I had not encountered these ideas in a while, and I don't know that I ever studied what you have shared, and I own Ginzberg's work.
edit: I guess I should thank the original poster too, :p
 
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donnann said:
The auras have to do with the body and soul on the level of the body but I am talking about the actual soul that is not one with the bodies. It is called the essence. It has an actual appearance that looks like puzzle peices of paint splatters arranged in different colors that is a pattern that is different for each person kinda like gentic code sequences.
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:confused: I see...
 
donnann said:
Speaking of the soul. Have you done any reading on the Guf?
According to Jewish mythology, in the Garden of Eden there is a Tree of life or the Tree of Souls[1] that blossoms and produces new souls, which fall into the Guf, the Treasury of Souls. Gabriel reaches into the treasury and takes out the first soul that comes into his hand. Then Lailah, the Angel of Conception, watches over the embryo until it is born.
According to Rabbi Isaac Luria, the trees are resting places for souls and sparrows can see the soul's descent, explaining their joyous chirping. The Tree of Souls produces all the souls that have ever existed, or will ever exist. When the last soul descends, the world will come to an end.[2] According to the Talmud, Yevamot 62a, is that the Messiah will not come until the Guf is emptied of all its souls. In keeping with other Jewish legends that envision souls as bird-like, the Guf is sometimes described as a columbarium, or birdhouse. The mystic significance of the Guf is that each person is important and has a unique role which only they, with their unique soul, can fulfill. Even a newborn baby brings the Messiah closer simply by being born. Guf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The peculiar idiom of describing the treasury of souls as a "body" may be connected to the mythic tradition of Adam Kadmon, the primordial man. Adam Kadmon, God's "original intention" for humanity, was a supernal being, androgynous and macro-cosmic (co-equal in size with the universe). When this Adam sinned, humanity was demoted to the flesh and blood, bifurcated and mortal creatures we are now. According to Kabbalah, every human soul is just a fragment (or fragments) cycling out of the great "world-soul" of Adam Kadmon. Hence, every human soul comes from the guf [of Adam Kadmon].
The Well of Souls (Arabic: Bir el- Arweh, Bir el- Arwah or Bir al- Arwah‎) — sometimes translated Pit of Souls, Cave of Spirits, or Well of Spirits — is a partly natural/partly man-made cave located inside the Foundation Stone under the Dome of the Rock shrine in Jerusalem.[1] The name derives from a medieval Islamic legend that at this place the spirits of the dead can be heard awaiting Judgment Day at which time the Ka'aba in Mecca will come here and God's throne will be established on the Stone.[2] (The name "Well of Souls" has also been applied more narrowly to a depression in the floor of this cave and to a hypothetical chamber that may exist beneath the floor. This possible chamber has been proposed as the past — or even present — repository of the Ark of the Covenant, but no compelling evidence exists for this and some even doubt the existence of a significant chamber underneath the cave floor.) The site has never been subject to an archeological investigation[citation needed] and political and diplomatic sensitivities preclude this for the foreseeable future. Well of Souls - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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One of the first things I noticed the first time I found myself outside of the body and looking at myself lying in bed, was the fact that the energy channels in my body looked like a tree as I lay there. I noticed that each Chakra was very much open and there was a steady stream of white light coursing up one side of the tree and down the other; like a big circuit from the Soul Star to the Ground Star, and the entire works was like a Christmas tree.
When I hear stories about the Tree of Life, I feel I know what they might be referencing.
Combine that with the fact that time is a part of the physical framework, and has no effect outside of this Dimension, and you will see my difficulties in seeing these words as the fundamentalist Christian sees the King James. I see them as the explanation of what I have experienced, placing it all in context for me.

The birds even have meaning: as birds live half in this world and half in other dimensions, and are able to carry "messages" from one to the other.

The repository of the covenant would be the Akashic Record in my interpretation, used by the PURE priests of Israel to speak directly to higher spheres. I feel the covenant was what amounts to a promise and a prediction from Our Father. More in lines with an explanation: though no one has ever heard the voice of God - Other than the Metatron (Archangel Michael)

edit: in my opinion, the Well of Souls is not a very nice thing to call the Body of God. :)
 
BrotherMichaelSky said:
One of the first things I noticed the first time I found myself outside of the body and looking at myself lying in bed, was the fact that the energy channels in my body looked like a tree as I lay there. I noticed that each Chakra was very much open and there was a steady stream of white light coursing up one side of the tree and down the other; like a big circuit from the Soul Star to the Ground Star, and the entire works was like a Christmas tree.
When I hear stories about the Tree of Life, I feel I know what they might be referencing.
Combine that with the fact that time is a part of the physical framework, and has no effect outside of this Dimension, and you will see my difficulties in seeing these words as the fundamentalist Christian sees the King James. I see them as the explanation of what I have experienced, placing it all in context for me.

The birds even have meaning: as birds live half in this world and half in other dimensions, and are able to carry "messages" from one to the other.

The repository of the covenant would be the Akashic Record in my interpretation, used by the PURE priests of Israel to speak directly to higher spheres. I feel the covenant was what amounts to a promise and a prediction from Our Father. More in lines with an explanation: though no one has ever heard the voice of God - Other than the Metatron (Archangel Michael)

edit: in my opinion, the Well of Souls is not a very nice thing to call the Body of God. :)
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I had an experience which I am not willing to give details on but during this experience I was literally shown the actual soul. It really is a combination of different colors that look like paint spills and is the essence that is love. Your not one with it but can feel it on the level of the senses. The body is the senses part of your whole being and operates like a skin.
 
Well, I hope I don't put a dampener on the party but I'm not convinced souls exist. Heck, I'm not convinced the 'self' exists as a meaningful enduring entity. Would this be the right place to ask what characteristics you see the soul as having?
 
donnann said:
The soul is multicolored light that is a pattern that is different for each individual. It kinda looks like overlapping paint pallets. When you have an emotion the soul will flash in the sequence for that codes. The different color lights will flash in that sequence which results in a particular essence.
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Nice. Seems interesting. Is it of Chinese manufacture or Japanese? Available in market? My son might like to have some in his new house.
donnann said:
Well, it may .. truly remarkable.
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I would accept it if you give an iota of evidence for all the things and people that you mention.
 
Aupmanyav said:
Nice. Seems interesting. Is it of Chinese manufacture or Japanese? Available in market? My son might like to have some in his new house.I would accept it if you give an iota of evidence for all the things and people that you mention.
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lol about the manufacture comment. If your body was made one with your soul it would be more colorful. It would kinda glow.
 
BrotherMichaelSky said:
One of the first things I noticed the first time I found myself outside of the body and looking at myself lying in bed, was the fact that the energy channels in my body looked like a tree as I lay there. I noticed that each Chakra was very much open and there was a steady stream of white light coursing up one side of the tree and down the other; like a big circuit from the Soul Star to the Ground Star, and the entire works was like a Christmas tree.
When I hear stories about the Tree of Life, I feel I know what they might be referencing.
Combine that with the fact that time is a part of the physical framework, and has no effect outside of this Dimension, and you will see my difficulties in seeing these words as the fundamentalist Christian sees the King James. I see them as the explanation of what I have experienced, placing it all in context for me.

The birds even have meaning: as birds live half in this world and half in other dimensions, and are able to carry "messages" from one to the other.

The repository of the covenant would be the Akashic Record in my interpretation, used by the PURE priests of Israel to speak directly to higher spheres. I feel the covenant was what amounts to a promise and a prediction from Our Father. More in lines with an explanation: though no one has ever heard the voice of God - Other than the Metatron (Archangel Michael)

edit: in my opinion, the Well of Souls is not a very nice thing to call the Body of God. :)
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I see that your experience was very enlightening. I talk about chakras. White light is pure consciousness. I see that you have had experiences with divine light. Because this universe isnt in the immortal oneness condition there are different dimensions that you talk about and I see that you have touched these dimensions. I call those dimensions heavenly houses. I am sure you have heard this term before. There is however a place beyond all of this that is where The dimensions are one. It is beyond this universe and its heavenly houses but connected to it just like your soul is connected to your body even though its not one with it. I think you are lucky to have experienced the tree. Your pursuit of understanding and enlightenment to me is commendable.
 
elumin8 said:
Well, I hope I don't put a dampener on the party but I'm not convinced souls exist. Heck, I'm not convinced the 'self' exists as a meaningful enduring entity. Would this be the right place to ask what characteristics you see the soul as having?
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Nope? Nothing? Perhaps I should start a new thread along those lines.
 
Pretty good, elumin8... point to soul or self. Empirically it does not work, that is no obstensive definition can be provided. The issue becomes one of a reasoned approach, a metaphysical approach.

There definitely is no certainty hereabouts. The best argument I have ever seen is the last chapter of Process and Reality. That is, of course, a verbal or philosophical argument. I experientially know that soul and self exist, it is part of my Religious Society of Friends non-empirical belief set. Soul/self is “something beyond”. Does it exist forever? I do not know. Is it a “thing in time”? No, but the experience is.
 
radarmark said:
Pretty good, elumin8... point to soul or self. Empirically it does not work, that is no obstensive definition can be provided. The issue becomes one of a reasoned approach, a metaphysical approach.

There definitely is no certainty hereabouts. The best argument I have ever seen is the last chapter of Process and Reality. That is, of course, a verbal or philosophical argument. I experientially know that soul and self exist, it is part of my Religious Society of Friends non-empirical belief set. Soul/self is “something beyond”. Does it exist forever? I do not know. Is it a “thing in time”? No, but the experience is.
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The soul is our emotions. It projects that things like love compassion kindness ect which we all have. It is our true nature as the human race. Progression is the key. To find our true selves. Its pretty.
 
Fine, that is your conception and probably valid and consistent for you. I see it a little different.

Not to get too technical, but emotions and "lower soul" are our initial prehension an ititial unification of what is with what was via basic emotions. As our character rises (as we wash away our sins, as we become better individuals), these get close and closer to the pure creativity, joy, love, kindness of the D!vine (a "higher soul").
 
Emotions can be traced to chemical reactions. We can induce emotions in people. If we die, all our chemical and hormonal actions cease. Is the a mind without a brain? We have no empirical evidence there is. It's one of those things I suspect might be true. In the same way can there be emotions without a body system? I don't know. Maybe. Now I don't want anyone to think I'm a reductionist materialist, I'm not, but I prefer to exercise a little intellectual humility before all that great unknown (and possibly unknowable) stuff.
 
elumin8 said:
Emotions can be traced to chemical reactions. We can induce emotions in people. If we die, all our chemical and hormonal actions cease. Is the a mind without a brain? We have no empirical evidence there is. It's one of those things I suspect might be true. In the same way can there be emotions without a body system? I don't know. Maybe. Now I don't want anyone to think I'm a reductionist materialist, I'm not, but I prefer to exercise a little intellectual humility before all that great unknown (and possibly unknowable) stuff.
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There is a place inside and outside us that cannot die. Its about progression.
 
elumin8 said:
lol. I really love it when people imply if I just get more spiritually developed I will agree with them.
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Really? I hate it, it in turn implies that whatever I say is irrelevant which undermines the very foundation of any discussion, which is what this place is built upon.
 
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