In pursuit of the mystical

That seems like really over simplifying the differences and nuances of people everywhere. Are you saying that the whole of China collectively came to the realization that the material is useless?

And I don't recognize at all that Asia puts the female as the highest but balance between the two and both having their place.
 
Good point, ACOT. Materialism underlies the entire idea of the Confucian idea of the middle kingdom. And ask the many female fetuses aborted in China (since time memorial) whether or not the female is the highest.
 
That's fine we can agree to disagree...I am not going say anything further on this, as convincing you is the least of my priorities.
A Cup Of Tea said:
That seems like really over simplifying the differences and nuances of people everywhere. Are you saying that the whole of China collectively came to the realization that the material is useless?

And I don't recognize at all that Asia puts the female as the highest but balance between the two and both having their place.
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As I look at the people around me here in China, I can definitely say that materialism is rampant here. There is absolutely no sense of 'looking inward' among most Chinese people.

Just recently I was discussing with another westerner here in China about the effect of Taoism on most Chinese people -- none! Taoisim is mystical whereas Confucianism is non-mystical, and most Chinese people here make great effort to avoid talking about Taoism, 'turning inward', etc.
 
I am married into a family that came from the "The East" they have dogmatic religion but devoid of any genuine spirituality that I can see, I found more in the local Church ! :)
 
Hermes said:
That's fine we can agree to disagree...I am not going say anything further on this, as convincing you is the least of my priorities.
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I was hoping we could discuss your experiences or references, I never ask to be convinced.
 
China is a huge country. My article addressed the rampant materialism but there are a few facts. China's expansions were mainly limited to neighbors while in the West we fought two World Wars. As far as that goes China is still somewhat inward looking mode, but of course that is changing. The feminine/masculine references are obviously more abstract and nothing to do with aborting girls or eating cats, for that matter....
A Cup Of Tea said:
I was hoping we could discuss your experiences or references, I never ask to be convinced.
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radarmark said:
And ask the many female fetuses aborted in China (since time memorial) whether or not the female is the highest.
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We have this problem but it is of recent origin. We did have female feticides in Rajput families (Warrior clans), mainly of Rajasthan, but that was for a different reason, though you will find it funny and unfortunate (The family of the girl is supposed to bow before the family of the boy and the proud Rajputs would not now to anyone). Dowry also is a recent problem after the rise of materialism. Changes in property law also have caused problems. Cruelty to women has always been a problem in the lower strata of society.

Normally hindus have the greatest respect of elder women, wife, daughters. A married daughter will get presents from her father's family for all her life, first by the father and then by the brother. Rakshabandhan and Bhai Dooj, where a sister ties a string on a brothers wrist and seeks his help in times of difficulty is one of the most important festivals of India. And incest is one of the greatest crimes.
 
Aupmanyav said:
We have this problem but it is of recent origin. We did have female feticides in Rajput families (Warrior clans), mainly of Rajasthan, but that was for a different reason, though you will find it funny and unfortunate (The family of the girl is supposed to bow before the family of the boy and the proud Rajputs would not now to anyone). Dowry also is a recent problem after the rise of materialism. Changes in property law also have caused problems. Cruelty to women has always been a problem in the lower strata of society.

Normally hindus have the greatest respect of elder women, wife, daughters. A married daughter will get presents from her father's family for all her life, first by the father and then by the brother. Rakshabandhan and Bhai Dooj, where a sister ties a string on a brothers wrist and seeks his help in times of difficulty is one of the most important festivals of India. And incest is one of the greatest crimes.
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On radars comment, females are not the highest. One time someone tried to tell me that the creator was a woman. I said well a woman cannot have a baby by herself but needs a male to create one so how can she be god? Isnt and cant be. Females are the feminine counterparts not only anatomically but psychologically and emotionally as well. This is why a man should never treat a woman in the same manner as he does a man. A man should never abuse a woman either psychologically or physically. That includes treating her as if she is not as high as he is. Some men look at equality as treating a woman exactly as they would treat another man. When you interact with a woman that way it hurts a woman.
 
donnann said:
On radars comment, females are not the highest. One time someone tried to tell me that the creator was a woman. I said well a woman cannot have a baby by herself but needs a male to create one so how can she be god? Isnt and cant be. Females are the feminine counterparts not only anatomically but psychologically and emotionally as well. This is why a man should never treat a woman in the same manner as he does a man. A man should never abuse a woman either psychologically or physically. That includes treating her as if she is not as high as he is. Some men look at equality as treating a woman exactly as they would treat another man. When you interact with a woman that way it hurts a woman.
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I hope no one got the wrong idea of what I said. A woman is just as smart as a man and should get equal pay for equal work and all of that. I am simply saying that a man should not interact with a woman in the same way he would another man because women are opposites. Also god is not a woman. God has a female counterpart but is the female half. Two are needed to produce life just like natural conception. Saying the creator of all life is a woman alone is false. That would be like trying to raise up a woman above her male counterpart and she would fall. It causes an imbalance. That is where equality comes in. Equal but still opposite.
 
Apmanyev... I did not mean to imply that it was true throughout the East. Even I know better than that. Yes, India's problem is modern. China's is not... but it was made much worse under the one child policy. See, as I understand it, under Confucianist ethics the eldest son is supposed to actually care for the parents.

So the poor (and now those who cannot bribe the party) have little reason to have daughters. It is just history, not really an ethical choice.
 
Apparently some of my family members think I am crazy for discussing religion, science ect with people on this forum. I apparently dont have the right to
FREE speech in the context of intelligent discussion. My husband was discussing some of the subjects with me and then all of a sudden started telling me that he doesnt want to hear it and asked me if I was going crazy. I dont think you people on here are crazy but simply are in the search for truth. I said the people on the forum I go on are smart. Someone who I do like very much tried to say there is no place for religion in science but religions do also have science centers and I do not agree with that statement. I am happy that I am on a forum that discusses in a humane way the topics of theology and science. That I have a voice and can provide references so that others may understand where I am coming from. Its strange how I have to put up with someone trying to imply that I am crazy but yet refuses to even discuss what I am saying or even listen. Sorry people, I just needed to vent a little bit.
 
donnann said:
One time someone tried to tell me that the creator was a woman. I said well a woman cannot have a baby by herself but needs a male to create one so how can she be god? Isn't and cant be. .. God has a female counterpart but is the female half.
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The creators or creatrix do not require opposite sex to create, though most Indian Gods have spouses. Did Yahweh or Allah require one? For many hindus, Durga (Shakti, Mother Godess) is the creatrix.

You are taking it from Shiva - Ardhanarishwara. Is that what you mean by female counterpart of the christian God? Do you make it up or you have a reference from the Holy Bible?

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