Atheists do not love their family, friends and pets...

wil said:
What do you know about Johnny Appleseed? That he was a capitalist alcohol manufacturer controlling vertical and horizontal monopolies?
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I thought he was a missionary for the new church? I also know he became a legend by introducing apples to large parts of the U.S...

He is now a folk legend, John Chapmam turned into Johnny Appleseed. Is that the truth about him being an alcoholic?
 
Gordian Knot said:
Wil you are repeating yourself. Wil you are repeating yourself.

Well Dookie, I guess you'd better get cracking cause you cannot be remembered for doing something great unless you do something great!
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I should of been a Movie Star like Brad Pitt, That is one of my biggest regrets....

I was one of the guys who shared a apartment with Brad during the late 80s and long story short He made it and I did not...
 
wil said:
Notorious or Famous....

Is that one of the first or the last decisions when deciding you want to leave a legacy? (or both?)

Another contemplation Dookie...

Imagine your death...(quickly get over that thought)

Your tombstone, what would you like those who are in that decision making seat....what would you want them to agree to carve on your gravestone??

A coworker, a friend and a family member....what would you want them to stand up and say about you?

And then live your life in such a way that they will naturally do all that....

You're not dead, you've got some time to make those changes required.
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I guess the most important thing I would like them too say is that I was a great father and husband. I would also like them to say I turned the family Newspaper Business into a better thing. Then remiss about all the good times we had together as friends and family. As for my tombstone about something like here lies Dookie Marcus(not my real name) A great friend and family man who was never afraid of pursing his dreams. Something along the lines of that but If you ask me that 10 years from now I might say something different cause I'm really inconsistent.
 
Dookie Marcus said:
I thought he was a missionary for the new church? I also know he became a legend by introducing apples to large parts of the U.S...

He is now a folk legend, John Chapmam turned into Johnny Appleseed. Is that the truth about him being an alcoholic?
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Probably an alchoholic...(as America was born in alcoholism, but that is not what i said) He was an entrepreneur...he traveled greatly planting apple orchards, setting up mash plants (hard cider) and then moving on to the next crossroads, confluence, pass and planted more orchards, more mash plants...
 
wil said:
Probably an alchoholic...(as America was born in alcoholism, but that is not what i said) He was an entrepreneur...he traveled greatly planting apple orchards, setting up mash plants (hard cider) and then moving on to the next crossroads, confluence, pass and planted more orchards, more mash plants...
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Thanks for the info!
 
Not necessarily. I'm sure there are Atheists who would love to be with their loved ones in an afterlife but just can't bring themselves to believe it is possible. Or who believe in an afterlife and NOT in God(s).
 
How can we believe it when nothing like it is possible, wishes are not horses. And neither is any Jesus coming back. If a person believes in an afterlife, he/she is hardly an atheist.
Dookie Marcus said:
A somber thing at that I suppose...
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No, why? That is the way of life. You have some four score years to do your things.
Gordian Knot said:
- you want to be remembered that you had lived.
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Natural. Marry and have a few children. One would be remembered for at least three generations. That is what ancestor rites are for. To many, that is a satisfaction, although it does not really matter. I know of a kinsman who lived around 1,000 BC, Aupamanyava, same genealogy as mine is supposed to be, in the descent of Sage Upamanyu, writer of one of the verses of RigVeda. Not all are as ambitious as Dookie Marcus.
 
Dookie Marcus said:
Yes I understand that. Do you know of any atheists that hope for an afterlife? I'd love to be proven wrong.
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Hello Dookie Marcus

I am an atheist and have been my entire life, there has been no time in my life that I have ever felt there was a god or any deity greater then myself, period. I love my family and support them in every way possible they are my life. I don't go asking for forgiveness from a priest for the actions I am accountable for I accept my problems and cope with them with inner control and years of experience. My ego is in check and my spirituality is much higher then most people you will ever meet, you don't have the right to judge or make assumptions about something you no nothing about. next time you find yourself asking a illusion what your next step is going to be why not work it out for yourself the outcome will be the same.

Just because I don't believe in a god, dose by no way mean that I don't believe in an after life, just not the one you believe in. I believe the universe started without the interaction of any outside higher forces, the fact that more advanced civilizations occurred before us in no way gives them the right to be entitled to the level of your so called god.

I do long for the afterlife the silence and freedom of suffering of the world to finally be free of this body and the purpose of this existence, but for the remainder of my life I will be a loving husband and father to my four children, I will teach them in my ways and encourage their spirituality in any way possible to show them love and understanding of those that judge and most of all to be true to themselves.

“Do not judge so that you will not be judged” Matthew 7:1"

For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. Matthew 7:2"
 
Powessy...

You spoke of teaching your children in 'my ways'. We all teach/raise our children in our ways... when I raised mine I encouraged them to be open yet questioning with a dose of skeptism and some faith as well.

I look forward to my discussions with them when they are in their thirties or forties raising their children and their choices on how and what they teach them about spirituality....you the same?
 
wil said:
Powessy...

You spoke of teaching your children in 'my ways'. We all teach/raise our children in our ways... when I raised mine I encouraged them to be open yet questioning with a dose of skeptism and some faith as well.

I look forward to my discussions with them when they are in their thirties or forties raising their children and their choices on how and what they teach them about spirituality....you the same?
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wil

When I spoke of my ways I should have been more clear. I have studied many religious and philosophical views from around the globe. My two twin thirteen year old daughters both go to church and both believe in the Christan god, I accept this but I also teach them to read about all the other lessons taught by many other religions. My two older sons both lead towards Buddhism due to the yin and yang and inner development of mind and soul. They come to me often to discuss different religious points found in writings that I never even new existed in religions that I would have suspected to be way out there in their practice. I find my self being the student sometimes, this tells me that they are searching for their own path, something I had to do. I to look forward to that day when they reach their family role, and how they decide to present these things to their children. I only want them to find their own way, to ask questions and lead a life that makes them happy.
 
" They come to me often to discuss different religious points found in writings that I never even new existed..."

--> Feel free to bring up those points here. I am sure we can give you some good ideas about them.
 
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