"Oneness" and Satan

To the OP
As I see it, in short verse:
We have free will to experience anything we choose. This is our gift within life. Like the yin-yang, all things will have an opposing side, relative to itself, but you must choose to see them as separate or you may choose to see them as two parts of the same. There is truth in both viewpoints and knowing the choice is communion.

Also, the bible says we must worship God, but in order to do so, without being compelled, we need to feel and know it genuinly and intimately. This is communion again; but with this, our worship is our gift to God. God gives us the world and, by knowing it, we choose him.

You'll have to trust me that this fits perfectly well with eastern beliefs and Chankra's. It also says "yes there is satin/devil/lucifer", while at the same time there is nothing "good" or "bad" in our universe/cosmos/whatever because it's all relative... I honestly don't know how to show you what I only feel in my gut.

Hope this is inspiring.
 
Consider in terms of Tao, yin and yang.

God is ultimate yin, Devil is ultimate yang.

You have good in you, you have bad in you.

Yet, the reality is this is a mental division only, you have chosen good and bad - it is learned.

Dissolving these divisions, you encounter Tao.

That is the only truth.
 
We see in many ways through nature that opposites coming together creates life.

The resulting life is a mix of yin and yang, male and female, positive and negative.

Just like an electrical current, because life is electric in nature.

What we project onto that is based on preference and ego.

There is no mysticism without abolishing ego.

Ego is the sustainer of duality.
 
You will be at a loss trying to approach mysticism in such a way that it appeases ego...

You are a mystic when you have no opinion, no belief, nothing.

That is the mystery, mind wants to know, it wants to demystify.

Yet, in the very attempt, problems come, suffering is inevitable, it proves utterly futile.

This futility brings depression, hopelessness, misery.

All because of mind, all because of ego.

Still we want to use the same mind to get out of the whole mess.

Foolish.
 
For the record, ego is the collection of opinions, beliefs and identifications we hold to be "me".

I am not using it in a psychological sense at all, maybe "personal self" is better?

Ego is shorter though.
 
Umm, yeah ... tis da reason for mediation and why Buddhist follow the precepts ... anyway, your first statement captured the essence of what I was saying.
 
Asiza said:
Umm, yeah ... tis da reason for mediation and why Buddhist follow the precepts ... anyway, your first statement captured the essence of what I was saying.
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Meditation is a way of loosening identification with the mind.

The problem with precepts is it does the exact opposite.

I feel like this is why Buddhism has become just another intellectual pursuit.

From meditation springs understanding, there is no reason for a robot to understand anything.

It just carries out its programming.
 
SatyamAbhidi said:
Meditation is a way of loosening identification with the mind.

The problem with precepts is it does the exact opposite.

I feel like this is why Buddhism has become just another intellectual pursuit.

From meditation springs understanding, there is no reason for a robot to understand anything.

It just carries out its programming.
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There you are... was starting to feel you were sputtering to no one in particular, not the OP nor as response to me.... all things can be considered programing/conditioning. Our objects of love and hate are programed no less than our language, our world view, or our ability to be flexible (or not) within our personality and our faith. What is your path/belief?
 
Asiza said:
There you are... was starting to feel you were sputtering to no one in particular, not the OP nor as response to me.... all things can be considered programing/conditioning. Our objects of love and hate are programed no less than out language, our world view, or our ability to be flexible (or not) within our personality and our faith. What is your path/belief?
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That is just it, our love is always for an object, we do not simply live as love.

We choose to love this, hate that, and this is how ego arises.

The whole point of the path is to overcome this conditioning.

To believe anything at all is to show conditioning you have not yet conquered.

It is to show the chains you have not yet broken.

They are exactly what render freedom a pipe dream for you...

Just your thoughts.

Thoughts are the difference between being love and just loving stuff.

Now, your love is dependent, and any threat will be hated, any opposition will cause anger.

All because you make love something other than you.

Love is not part of cause and effect.
 
SatyamAbhidi said:
That is just it, our love is always for an object, we do not simply live as love.

We choose to love this, hate that, and this is how ego arises.

The whole point of the path is to overcome this conditioning.

To believe anything at all is to show conditioning you have not yet conquered.

It is to show the chains you have not yet broken.

They are exactly what render freedom a pipe dream for you...

Just your thoughts.

Thoughts are the difference between being love and just loving stuff.
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Cannot entirely disagree. But, FYI, psychologically we have five emotions and love is not one of them. Love is a verb; it's something you do - an action, not an emotion or feeling! Your five feelings/emotions are happiness, fear, sadness, pain and anger. We experience, then feel, then think something of it, and finally, we act or react. We are simple and complex like all things
 
Love would be the action you take after a compassionate thought, derived from empathy (a form of sadness)
 
Based on what you say of love, it is not that.

I usually fall back to calling it Zen when people say stupid things about love.
 
I honestly can't believe you've called empathy a type of sadness though.

It is nothing of the sort, it is your capacity to take on anothers emotions....

Like sympathy, where you simply understand the others emotion, but far deeper, more about oneness...
 
Empathy isn't derived of sadness. I just imagined in that example that I felt compassion due to someone's sadness.... hmm, my hubby had issue with my example sentence too. Let's see. When I love someone I act according to what I feel - warmth, care, admiration, anticipation, acceptence, compassion, understanding, a sense of connection - lots of different stuff, depending on the who and if it is returned. I'm just giving quick answers, mind you. Given more than the half second I'm taking, I could give a decent definition. The point is what I said before: love is an action and, although we feel love, it is not an emotion. Our emotions are from the five previously mentioned.
 
And yes, empathy is "your capacity to take on anothers emotions" in a way.
 
hmm, I've reread from my first post here onward.... I think my head is off a bit today. Disregard whatever. I'll start fresh when I'm feeling more with it. I quit smoking 5 days ago so the scattered thinking should pass soon.
 
It is fine, most people mistake things like desire or attachment, dependence, this sort of thing for love.

Most of your words seem to be about creating love, not the actuality of love.

This is why I prefer to steer off here, how many have really experienced the merging of two?

It is perfectly good, even the love between a man and wife can bring you to God.

Anything less than that, I do not call love though.

I acknowledge others do, hence why I permit it and switch to using Zen.

For me, they are synonyms, along with Tao, Yoga, Dharma, God, there are so many words.

The whole of religion is really about BECOMING love.

The HIndu's and Christians even directly say God is love.

There is nothing higher in life.

Yet it has such lowly expressions too.
 
I may be misinterpreting how I read and botching what I write, but that doesn't mean I don't understand. I hope you're not being quick to judge or unmoveable in seeing the perspective of an other because - that is not love.
 
Asiza said:
Love would be the action you take after a compassionate thought, derived from empathy (a form of sadness)
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Love is a mind a spirit and a soul. Its what we all truly are in origin. The spirit is consciousness or thought and the soul is emotion and the body is senses.
 
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