Is ISIS/Taliban/etc. Muslim...

BigJoeNobody said:
it is not possible to force a woman into intercourse
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I'll jump in on this, and Joe can correct me if I am wrong. I believe you misinterpreted this statement. I believe what Joe meant is that it is not possible to force a woman into intercourse by the laws of Islam. In other words you cannot force a woman if you are following the tenants of the religion. You are not allowed to force a woman by the tenants of the religion.

If I am wrong, I'm sure Joe will correct me. ;)
 
Richard Pickett said:
What does the Caliphs say about attacking Infidel women in their own Non- Muslim country? Just curious, as to the recent events in France, Sweden, Norway and Finland. Unless of course these were not Muslim men or terrorists who have a warped idea of the Qur'an. Yet in reports I have heard about, these men claimed legality under the Qur'an.
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Ok everyone, stop what you're doing, Rick has heard stuff again! Reports even! He might not ever have set foot in these distant lands but stuff has been heard and it important that Joe defends the religion of Islam because people who call themselves Muslim probably have done some really bad stuff. So...Joe, it's all on you now! Either no Muslim has ever some anything wrong ever, or your religion is bullshit, which is it?
 
Devils' Advocate said:
I believe what Joe meant is that it is not possible to force a woman into intercourse by the laws of Islam.
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yes... and I apologize if it wasn't clear... Also there is no compulsion in religion. In other words no human can force his religion on another, the faith would not be sincere, and the whole thing would be Oppression, of which Allah hates.
 
A Cup Of Tea said:
Ok everyone, stop what you're doing, Rick has heard stuff again! Reports even! He might not ever have set foot in these distant lands but stuff has been heard and it important that Joe defends the religion of Islam because people who call themselves Muslim probably have done some really bad stuff. So...Joe, it's all on you now! Either no Muslim has ever some anything wrong ever, or your religion is bullshit, which is it?
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Got to love your condescending tones Cup, please let us have some more...
 
Richard Pickett said:
What does the Caliphs say about attacking Infidel women in their own Non- Muslim country?
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Has this not been covered dozens of times? It doesn't matter where. There is no aggression allowed except where Allah has ordained, And without new messengers, how would he ordain it? Hurting a single cell on an innocent person's body is absolutely forbidden (mind that I didn't need to specify where the cell was or the place of occurrence)

On a greater note, There is no Caliph anymore. There hasn't been for a long time. Noone today is singly qualified. Today we rely on many scholars, Sheikhs, Muftis, Ustadhs, etc. each with their specialized knowledge.


Richard Pickett said:
Just curious, as to the recent events in France, Sweden, Norway and Finland.
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If you step out of the underground biased media, you probably wouldn't see many of these "events" talked about, largely because they never happened. What happened in Paris, was ISIS, and their terrible display of lack of Islamic knowledge.

Richard Pickett said:
Unless of course these were not Muslim men
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If you read a bit of the other posts, you will know that we do not say who is or is not Muslim, Only Allah knows what is in a man's heart.

Richard Pickett said:
terrorists who have a warped idea of the Qur'an.
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Almost correct, but they also use non-authentic Hadiths, and Political gains as motivation.
Richard Pickett said:
Yet in reports I have heard about, these men claimed legality under the Qur'an.
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Of course they claim it. that doesn't mean any real scholar would...
 
BigJoeNobody said:
Has this not been covered dozens of times? It doesn't matter where. There is no aggression allowed except where Allah has ordained, And without new messengers, how would he ordain it? Hurting a single cell on an innocent person's body is absolutely forbidden (mind that I didn't need to specify where the cell was or the place of occurrence)

On a greater note, There is no Caliph anymore. There hasn't been for a long time. Noone today is singly qualified. Today we rely on many scholars, Sheikhs, Muftis, Ustadhs, etc. each with their specialized knowledge.



If you step out of the underground biased media, you probably wouldn't see many of these "events" talked about, largely because they never happened. What happened in Paris, was ISIS, and their terrible display of lack of Islamic knowledge.


If you read a bit of the other posts, you will know that we do not say who is or is not Muslim, Only Allah knows what is in a man's heart.


Almost correct, but they also use non-authentic Hadiths, and Political gains as motivation.

Of course they claim it. that doesn't mean any real scholar would...
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So basically these SO CALLED reports of rape and aggression by these self proclaimed Muslims ( their words, not mine) are nothing more than Iraqi and Syrian criminals?
 
wil said:
Yes like so called Christians that wear hoods or bomb abortion clinics...no difference
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How many of those have you heard about wil, because I haven't heard about any hooded Christians bombing abortion clinics. I did hear about a gunman shooting some folks in one though. It would appear mental illness was involved. Though I believe we can look at the two in the same context.
 
The kkk claim to be a Christian organization ...their white burkas are famous...

I have yet to hear if an abortion clinic bomber that didn't claim to be Christian...
 
wil said:
The kkk claim to be a Christian organization ...their white burkas are famous...

I have yet to hear if an abortion clinic bomber that didn't claim to be Christian...
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I haven't heard of an abortion clinic bombing in years, nor have I heard of the KKK committing any atrocities in many years.
 
Richard Pickett said:
So basically these SO CALLED reports of rape and aggression by these self proclaimed Muslims ( their words, not mine) are nothing more than Iraqi and Syrian criminals?
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What is the difference in these "rape and aggression" from "Muslims" and the "rape and pillage" from "Christians. Or for that matter since it was brought up, "mass Murders" or "targeted killing" or the "child armies" or the HOLOCAUST, and you saying "Well they were mentally unstable" Yeah, Imagine that!!! People who kill others for no reason, or rape women are Mentally Unstable!!!!!!! This has nothing to do with religion. How about we take the Hundreds of Thousand of accounts yearly from Christians who rape, Murder, assault, cheat, slander, and steal and put those numbers against Muslims, are you sure you can handle the abomination of a number of more acts done by Christians? Lets really look at it, compare the number of Christians who have been harrassed, beaten, or killed by Muslims against that of Muslims on Christians... Just in the US!!!! Hell we could likely throw in all the Crap going on in Syria, and still come out with numbers showing higher against your argument.

You know why 90% of people don't see the crap going on in Scandinavia that you and a few others seem so keen on bringing to light? Because most of it doesn't happen. They take the same story and feed it to you again and again. Then they make one up... because they know bigots like you have nothing better to do than read their lies and spread them and share them on social media knowing they will get more views, and the more people who read the more people get scared and the more they distrust actual news sources for those of the BS sources you keep referencing.

Fine. Lets talk about the riot 2 years ago in Norway. But before that lets talk about the riots last year in Ferguson and Baltimore. How many of those protesters were Christian, How many CLAIM TO BE CHRISTIAN. How many riots have there been over dumb stuff like winning or losing a football game or Hockey Match. Of those riots, how many are Christian? You do realize they are just as destructive as anything in Norway right? You do know people got hurt and killed in many of these right? How many people die a day in Gun violence from the drug cartels who have crucifixes all over their body in ink and gold. Who thank God every day they come home and thank God for allowing them to "do their job".

Please tell me how any of your BS has any credibility, and yet anytime anyone says they don't represent Islam, you point to Scandinavia? How about the fact that even though France has let in Thousands if not hundreds of thousands of refugees, the people who committed the terror acts in Paris were either French Citizens or illegally entered through DENMARK. You have a problem with Islam, Fine that's what we are here to talk about. But time and time again I and others have told you and shown you from the Quran and Hadith that these acts have nothing to do with the religion and you keep on like a child crazed with delusional self righteousness. You know why you don't see Muslims attacking Christian ideals daily? Because we see true Christians as brothers who are just mistaken over some details. And According to the Quran those people who accept the 1 creator and know of the last day are possible Muslims in their heart, even if they don't know it. This means I cannot call a Christian an Infidel or a Jew an Infidel, Because I do not know what they have in their heart. and I do not know what they know. Sure there are some Muslims who say Christians are scum, that Christians associate partners with the one and only God, but they have done nothing righteous in doing so. They are no more righteous than you wielding false witness against Muslims as a whole. Attributing crimes that I, nor anyone you have ever talked to (more than likely), have ever been guilty of.

Have a good time on Judgement Day. I wish you peace, with which you can gain by releasing this hatred you have built up. Visit a Mosque nearby you and ask them what they think about killing and raping. Maybe you will find there are countless numbers of us saying it is wrong. And if you do, maybe, just maybe you will find out why you have been wrong so that you may repent in whatever way you believe is righteous.
 
Come on Joe, Rape and pillage, really? That hasn't happened since the Crusades. Wow. I will have no problems on judgement day. I have no hatred for any man, woman or child. It would appear by this post that you may. My Conscience is clear. I read, watch news reports and very much discount that which I see on Social media. I try and seek out smaller independent media sources because I see many of the larger sources seem to be biased either left or right, and personally I don't care what many might say, still are somewhat controlled by the Government. I see a lot of hatred out there on many fronts and I have my own opinion on them. I try as best as I can to call it as I see it...If I offended you it was not intended.
 
Richard Pickett said:
Come on Joe, Rape and pillage, really? That hasn't happened since the Crusades.
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Africa over the past 10 years has been a hotbed of this activity. In largely Christian countries. Drug cartels are well known to kill men in villages that aren't working for them then rape the women to death either on site or in brothels. They Pillage and steal anything that can be of value, just because noone uses the term anymore doesn't change the fact that is still practiced.

Richard Pickett said:
I have no hatred for any man, woman or child.
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1) you seem to be keen on calling Muslims Bad people, and Islam as a religion as the cause.
2) I never stated the Hatred would be your biggest issue, Do you believe in the 10 Commandments, We'll skip the argument about the first as it applies to a majority of Christians, along with the second with common practices, but the 9th... You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor. of which you push highly, even when presented evidence to the contrary.

Richard Pickett said:
It would appear by this post that you may.
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Who? I have a dislike for people slandering my religion and in doing so promoting those who would put a target on me and my family's head. (don't give me the noone is attacking Muslims BS, it has been happening and is getting more and more frequent)

Richard Pickett said:
I read, watch news reports and very much discount that which I see on Social media. I try and seek out smaller independent media sources because I see many of the larger sources seem to be biased either left or right, and personally I don't care what many might say, still are somewhat controlled by the Government.
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This is largely what I'm talking about about your sources. Just because they are small doesn't mean they are not biased. Just because a MSM is biased, doesn't mean every article they put out is false. Just because I read about Michael Jackson dying on Fox News doesn't mean I just walk away and assume it didn't happen. Do you know how many articles I've seen spread that the school shootings are fake? How many articles I've read saying a plane did not crash into the WTC or Pentagon? Yet I've met people whose families were involved in the shootings. I know men that went to DC to look for survivors in the rubble and had to peal the plane out piece by piece with dead people all around. These things aren't about left or right. Republicans or Democrats has nothing to do with are people coming to kill you. Is raping part of a religion. These are questions implanted in weak minded people too scared to actually ask questions, or to stubborn to accept the answers. These are largely rumors started by small independent "news" sites that do not care what offends people, or what the truth is, they just want readers. It's best to cross reference these with larger news sources, maybe opposite leaning sources to determine facts from opinion. Say you read something on "opposingviews" cross the "factual" articles with Reuters, or Al-Jazeera, or CNN, or anything. if you can find similar articles about the SAME OCCURENCE from 3+ sources from different leaning sites chances are the event happened. And there's no use in fearing Government controlled media. The Banks, Food Industry, Military Complex, Privatized Prisons, and Medical Corps control enough of your life they could tell you what all they do to you while laughing and you still would have difficulty getting out from under their control.
 
Devils' Advocate said:
Tea! Get up on the wrong side of the world this morning? I don't think I have ever seen you post such a spiteful post!
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Oh it happens, every now and again someone saunters in with some tiresome and repetitive rhetoric. Direct some unspecific accusations at some group and then demand statistics when the same claim is aimed at them. There is no discussion here, no exchange, just attacks.
 
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