Is ISIS/Taliban/etc. Muslim...

I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying that condemning terrorists who say they are Muslim is appropriate as long as it is said in Arabic, but doing the same thing in English turns it into Muslims apologizing for terrorism?

"Its just arrogance". What is just arrogance. Asking Muslims to condemn evil in a language other than their own?

I'm not trying to lead you on here, I'm rephrasing your words to see if I do understand what you are saying, or if I am completely off base and you mean something else entirely.
 
I think what he is saying ....is they are condemned regularly IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGES..... And even regularly in english...very little if this is reported...because it doesn't bleed.... It doesn't sensationalize, it doesn't spread the fear, it doesn't get ratings.... And asking them to continue to repeat same on infinitum....is as if "they" are responsible...as if you are responsible for acts of others of your race or your belief, or your gender...
 
to Paraphrase, MW is saying the condemnation in Arabic and Urdu, etc. is actually very loud. But that doesn't get heard here because the west simply wants that to be condemned in english as well (which is done, but there are far fewer English speaking Muslims than non-english speaking). The western critics aren't really looking for condemnation nor action... They (conservative anti-Muslim Westerners) are looking for every Muslim to apologize, something I nor many if any Muslim is going to do, simply because it is not my error to apologize for. In addition, If we all did... (which is what many would demand atm) they (same anti-Muslims) would say that now that we apologize we must all pay for the crimes. It is a very direct route to subjugation and elimination that these groups look for. Recently there were protests across the country where men armed with AR-15s and AK-47s went to protest and provoke Muslims at our mosques. You think this is just posturing? It is a clear sign from them that they are willing to go to war for something that has nothing to do with the people they are provoking.
 
isis is originated in Iraq as a result of the US and Zionist Oppressing of Muslims in Iraq, Palestine and in the world, and aims to restore the Islamic caliphate but had extremist ideas
Western media distorts with truth very much about them because he is afraid of its extension of islam
some claimed the western founded isis for discrediting Islam and make them reason for hit islamic country and moslems
 
Our current theory espoused here is that yes we created them by creating the vaccuum of govemnemce in Iraq and destabilizing the region... Their extremist views are what is at issue now and no one knows whether to support them or Assad.
 
I think that if the isis want to destroy the Kaaba its for rebuilt again, not because it is worship as God
Because the Saudi government has changing much in it
isis supported from Turkey
isis are hostile to Assad, but in the interests of Assad's as astay reason to support him from World countries such russia in the so-called fight against terrorism
 
Thank you for explaining what I was saying, apologies I have been offline dealing with a death in the family. The guys are correct, I was simply saying that english language media doesn't report on the condemnation written or spoken in Arabic. For example did the western media show the massive marches in places like Tehran, North Africa, etc in sympathy with 9/11? I didn't see any but when I researched it there they were in middle East media.

I think it's very well known and accepted that we (the west) placed a Shia government in Iraq, which followed the oppression of the Shia population. What our idiots didn't realise before it was too late is that Saddam was a loon of the first order but he kept the factions apart and the sectarian hatred under control and we did a really good job of fanning the flames. By placing a government of one oppressed sect in charge it simply created revenge opportunities. Those actions of revenge invited Al Q into Iraq ... our stupidity and desire for 'western friendly regimes' to supply cheap oil simply spread extremist groups around the Middle East. Did we learn? Just look at Syria, the answer is no.

As for asking me to apologise on behalf of other Muslims, get over yourself. I don't ask Christians to apologise when a loon bombs an abortion clinic or atheists to apologise when a loon goes on the ramapage with an assault rifle, so why should I apologise for people I don't know whose ideology I do not share??
 
wil said:
I know this is just an example, but I think (in my country anyway) it is mostly theists (misguided as they may be) that go on rampages with weapons...
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Just an Addition state side, many of the mass shootings happen from christian families. What is rarely brought up (but is reported) is the angst SOME of these people have toward that Christian indoctrination.
 
I'm genuinely curious as to why you call it Christian Indoctrination BigJoe?
 
Muslimwoman said:
I'm genuinely curious as to why you call it Christian Indoctrination BigJoe?
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it is a term used on anti-christian blogs or by anti-christian bloggers. There is a large issue here (at least the part of the US I grew up in) that is perfectly fine with "Believe in Jesus as your Lord and God" even haphazardly in schools it is seen as a non-issue. Phrases like this are so commonplace that anyone who asks anything to dispute that is ridiculed as an "idiot" and their family will force them to go to "summer retreats" and attend "Church activities" in an attempt to never allow people to think otherwise. to me that is indoctrination, so I have no issue with calling it that. I realize this problem isn't only an issue in Christianity, but to the point of my comment it is useful
 
There is indoctrination by parents and teachers in all religions is there not?

My downstairs neighbors play sermons for hours every day.....now whether it is the parents studying. . indoctrination of the children or wife I can't say...
 
wil said:
There is indoctrination by parents and teachers in all religions is there not?

My downstairs neighbors play sermons for hours every day.....now whether it is the parents studying. . indoctrination of the children or wife I can't say...
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I'm not saying indoctrination is wrong in a core sense. mainly that that indoctrination is allowed in places that no religion is supposed to be taught simply because many think all believe that way.
 
wil said:
Where is religion not supposed to be taught that this indoctrination occurs?
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Schools... for one...

of course one could also argue that all the "Merry Christmas" banners and such at public buildings (courthouses, town squares, etc) could be seen as going that route as well. An Easter egg hunt at the Whitehouse... etc. Just because these are representative of the major populace's POV doesn't mean it isn't indoctrination. And it doesn't bode well for a country claiming it is free in a religious aspect.
 
wil said:
One doesn't need to attend an easter egg hunt....darn pagans...and really, you have issues with merry Christmas?
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lol wil, I think you are missing the point. I have no problems personally. But it is a form of indoctrination when all expect everyone to say it. Heck People flip their lid (hehehe get it?) when their coffee cup doesn't say it. I don't think Government buildings and holdings should be promoting a religion unless they are all promoted, which is tough given the multitude of views out there.
 
The coffee cup never said it.....we cannot base our understanding of life on internet memes, Charlie hebdo, or those that kill them...

The nutcases are not representative of society or life....

I don't care if a Jew wishes me happy chanukah.... Or if you wish me eid Mubarak... It is all petty...to be pissed at such things

Including calling a Christmas song played in the mall ....indoctrination.
 
wil said:
The coffee cup never said it.....we cannot base our understanding of life on internet memes, Charlie hebdo, or those that kill them...

The nutcases are not representative of society or life....

I don't care if a Jew wishes me happy chanukah.... Or if you wish me eid Mubarak... It is all petty...to be pissed at such things

Including calling a Christmas song played in the mall ....indoctrination.
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I agree with all except that you take the word indoctrination as a negative connotory word. It is neutral in essence. I do not blame Christians for trying to convert me back to Christianity. They are doing what they think will save me. I do not look at Hindus discussing Karma publicly or directly to me as a bad thing, as it is essentially good actions/thoughts are rewarded and bad are punished which is fine. These discussions should be seen as good, not evil. Instead of looking at the Christmas Music in a Mall as this horrible Christian centric attitude, I see it as Christians attempting to remind themselves to be happy and joyous, and for those of us who don't follow their faith that we may be enticed into these ideas. It doesn't bother me at all, quite the opposite. I'd love to see christians acting as religious as some do on Christmas. It doesn't bother me that the President (who is Christian) puts up a Christmas tree, or even has a Easter Egg hunt for guests at the house he lives in. But as the leader of this country his acknowledgement of these religious observances is an indoctrinating action. They are making religious observances "fun" for kids to entice them into staying and following the faith... aka indoctrinating.
 
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