Muslims and Islam

Here is a key graph:

"Muslims are individuals. We passionately believe that no Muslim should be harmed, harassed, stereotyped or treated any differently anywhere in the world solely on account of their status as a Muslim."
 
Nicholas Weeks said:
Here is a key graph:

"Muslims are individuals. We passionately believe that no Muslim should be harmed, harassed, stereotyped or treated any differently anywhere in the world solely on account of their status as a Muslim."
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not to go against your good judgement and all, but based on the content of the website, do you not feel as if that statement is more of a "Cover Your A**" statement. Muslims would argue the same however, but backward of the conclusions the website makes. The religion itself is very straightforward and equality driven. Hadiths tend to be a bit more arguable, which IMO stems from the fact the Hadiths aren't God's word, but rather his Prophet's (PBUH) and those weren't as regulated in distribution for the most part outside of a few collectors.
A Cup Of Tea said:
The page the statement is taken from seems a provocative to post here.
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I don't think many uninformed know that this isn't a "unbiased" source of information.
wil said:
Interesting separating Islam and Muslim...

My thoughts are a whirlpool right now...
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The concept has been discussed here hundreds of times. (maybe exagerating a bit on number, but quite a few at least)
 
TO be fair, this also needs to be said:

No NON-Muslim should be harmed, harassed, stereotyped or treated any differently anywhere in the world solely on account of their status as a NON-Muslim.
 
Nick the Pilot said:
TO be fair, this also needs to be said:

No NON-Muslim should be harmed, harassed, stereotyped or treated any differently anywhere in the world solely on account of their status as a NON-Muslim.
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given the topic, I don't think this would be relevant. It is true, but irrelevant to the topic. But if we are going on that route should we also continue on and say non-christian, non-hindu, non-buddhist, etc...
 
I am curious about this particular paragraph from the article:

Islam is not simply a belief about God. Islam is a word that means submission. Islam is a set of rules that define a social hierarchy in which Muslims submit to Allah, women submit to men and all non-Muslims submit to Islamic rule.

True? False? Kinda true? More or less false? Because if this IS what Islam is, I'm not sure that it matters about how individuals act. Because if this statement defines Islam, submission in all the forms noted are a requirement.

So is the excerpt an accurate description of what Islam is?
 
Nick the Pilot said:
TO be fair, this also needs to be said:

No NON-Muslim should be harmed, harassed, stereotyped or treated any differently anywhere in the world solely on account of their status as a NON-Muslim.
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This point is covered, if one reads the entire short article:

"Prejudging an individual by their group identity (or presumed group identity) is not only unethical, it is blatantly irrational, since group identity reveals absolutely nothing about a person. Every individual should be judged only on the basis of their own words and deeds."
 
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Devils' Advocate said:
I am curious about this particular paragraph from the article:

Islam is not simply a belief about God. Islam is a word that means submission. Islam is a set of rules that define a social hierarchy in which Muslims submit to Allah, women submit to men and all non-Muslims submit to Islamic rule.

True? False? Kinda true? More or less false? Because if this IS what Islam is, I'm not sure that it matters about how individuals act. Because if this statement defines Islam, submission in all the forms noted are a requirement.

So is the excerpt an accurate description of what Islam is?
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However Islam is defined, Islam per se cannot cause 'submission' or any other Islamic notion. Islam is not a person or a group of persons, but the sacred texts and the ideas & practices within them. Muslims decide how much of their religion to study, and practice.

I was surprised how many native Buddhists are close to clueless on what the Dharma (or Dhamma) is. Most are just temple Buddhists, not close students of Buddha's teachings. This is probably common to all religions, such as Islam.
 
It appears to me in most religions, the converted know more than most that claim the religion...many are simply socially or 'gemetically' whatever they are....they haven't delved into anything anywhere...
 
Devils' Advocate said:
I am curious about this particular paragraph from the article:

Islam is not simply a belief about God. Islam is a word that means submission. Islam is a set of rules that define a social hierarchy in which Muslims submit to Allah, women submit to men and all non-Muslims submit to Islamic rule.

True? False? Kinda true? More or less false? Because if this IS what Islam is, I'm not sure that it matters about how individuals act. Because if this statement defines Islam, submission in all the forms noted are a requirement.

So is the excerpt an accurate description of what Islam is?
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to give it a Politifact score, somewhat true... Islam is submission to God (of which we refer to as ALLAH which translates essentially into 'the God'). All Muslims are supposed to submit to Allah and his commands first. These commands are dictated by the Quran and his Prophet (PBUH) and previously his other prophets (PBUTA). From that there are rules about women submitting to their husbands for certain things, but also where men but submit to their wives for certain things. There is no command for non-muslims to submit to Muslims, because it wouldn't make any sense... That's like me heading to the DHS to get my Muslim badge because Trump said it is a good idea. I don't follow Trump's ideology, why would I submit to his ideas.

Devils' Advocate said:
Quite so. It seems to be a commonality to most all religions world wide. I suppose to a certain extent it must be this way. The majority simply do not have the time nor the inclination to delve too deeply into their belief structure.
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IMO this is the saddest thing about many who claim a religious view.
wil said:
It appears to me in most religions, the converted know more than most that claim the religion...many are simply socially or 'gemetically' whatever they are....they haven't delved into anything anywhere...
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But you have to have a portion of the society that does delve into it that deep to teach the converts/reverts or the whole point is lost on "reformists"
 
BigJoeNobody said:
But you have to have a portion of the society that does delve into it that deep to teach the converts
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Sure....and they are a small portion of the population.....in Islam unfortunately... You've got converts being educated by radicals and folks joining the religion for reasons that are detrimental to the religion
 
Devils' Advocate said:
I am curious about this particular paragraph from the article:

Islam is not simply a belief about God. Islam is a word that means submission. Islam is a set of rules that define a social hierarchy in which Muslims submit to Allah, women submit to men and all non-Muslims submit to Islamic rule.

True? False? Kinda true? More or less false? Because if this IS what Islam is, I'm not sure that it matters about how individuals act. Because if this statement defines Islam, submission in all the forms noted are a requirement.

So is the excerpt an accurate description of what Islam is?
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Hmmm, is this different from any other religion?
 
wil said:
Sure....and they are a small portion of the population.....in Islam unfortunately... You've got converts being educated by radicals and folks joining the religion for reasons that are detrimental to the religion
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equally true is there is just as small of a group being radicalized by radicals (who don't know their own book they profess)... sociologically speaking you will remember 10 bad things for every 1 good thing. In Terms of media coverage, this seems even a bit short.
 
BigJoeNobody said:
In Terms of media coverage, this seems even a bit short.
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In just about every discussion I have these days, from nuts to bolts, the big elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about is the corruption of popular media. They set the agenda for everything and everyone. Why is Trump so popular? He gets 90% of the Presidential political coverage. You'd think no one else was running. Why do so many Americans genuinely fear Muslims? Just about all the media gives us is the acts of terror.

The list goes on and on. Take just about any subject and when one tears it down, the popular media is distorting the subject by what they choose to show and what they choose to ignore.
 
Devils' Advocate said:
The list goes on and on. Take just about any subject and when one tears it down, the popular media is distorting the subject by what they choose to show and what they choose to ignore.
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yeah it might not boost their ratings to talk about the billions of dollars given to poor of every religion every year by Muslims. Or the Muslims in many US cities giving out roses as gifts for Christmas on street corners. But the next time Trump says "Sure we can build camps to hold those that might be a danger to our Christian way of life"... Boom every media outlet is on it... some to dispute it, some to agree... either way it makes news...
 
BigJoe: "the billions of dollars given to poor of every religion every year by Muslims."

Would like to read about this, have you a site or article in mind?
 
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