Makes No Difference, (Discuss whatever you want).

[wil]

Just the way things evolve huh?

 

[Namaste Jesus]

Well, I see everyone's dug their heels firmly into the terra firma once again. Those with opposing points of view are presumed to have missed the point or to have a lack of understanding and as usual nothing said has made any difference whatsoever. Opinions remain the same. I really think some topics are better left off the table. Especially, in a town called Nazareth...

 

[Devils' Advocate]

Fortunately we don't live there. A clarification though. My comments were not meant to suggest that if you understood what I said you would see it my way. I know you have a different opinion and like I said earlier, I am not writing any of this to get you to change your mind. When I said you missed the point, what I meant was that you didn't understand the specifics of what I was saying, not that you weren't capable of understanding the conclusion of those specifics.

Yes some of these subjects are hard, that doesn't mean we shoulnd't talk about them. Maybe I am just a glutton for punishment. (A very distinct possibility!). When my frustration level grows too high during a thread, I simply stop reading it unless and until I can get my equilibrium back.

 

[Aussie Thoughts]

Fortunately we don't live there.

LOL...! Hey NJ, appears DA missed your point. Not even the gist. Sorry mate, but that's funny to me.

 

[wil]

Well, I see everyone's dug their heels firmly into the terra firma once again. Those with opposing points of view are presumed to have missed the point or to have a lack of understanding and as usual nothing said has made any difference whatsoever. Opinions remain the same. I really think some topics are better left off the table. Especially, in a town called Nazareth...

If ignoring everything we know and believing in what is impossible .....is digging in your heels...you are correct

Here as said above is the crux to me....does evolution as known today have all the answers? No...but when they find new information and prove it do they modify their approach? Yes.

But as to attacking or proving creation model wrong we've done that...here is what we know isn't right.

We know the universe was not crested in seven days, we know man was not formed of mud and woman from his rib, we know man did not walk with the dinosaurs and the universe and our earth are well over 10,000 years old. We know there weren't waters protecting the earth and then it rained down on us... We know that penguins, lemurs, duck billed platypuses, and kangaroos did not hop to Noah to ride on a boat and then swim back home...this and a lot more aren't only not proven, but easily disproved.

We know this is not science and not true...maybe some folks don't know but their is a gap in their education.

 

[Namaste Jesus]

LOL...! Hey NJ, appears DA missed your point. Not even the gist. Sorry mate, but that's funny to me.

What... you're surprised? I just threw that in for the faithful among us. As one of the few I figured you'd appreciate it.

 

[wil]

Lol.... I love it when they stomp the dust from their feet....it is so cute.

 

[A Cup Of Tea]

LOL...! Hey NJ, appears DA missed your point. Not even the gist. Sorry mate, but that's funny to me.

I think it's funny that you regularly claiming that people of missing NJ points.

I just threw that in for the faithful among us.

Not sure you want to create division among "the faithful" and "the not-faithful". Division seldom leads to anything constructive.

 

[Namaste Jesus]

I think it's funny that you regularly claiming that people of missing NJ points.

Apparently you missed the point as well. Aussie's talking about the last statement in #62 where I referenced Nazareth.

Not sure you want to create division among "the faithful" and "the not-faithful". Division seldom leads to anything constructive.

I'm not the creator. That divide has existed here for a long time now. Between Wil's juvenile snipes and the lack of faith on this faith based forum, it's hard to accomplish anything constructive. Hence the reference.

Matthew 13:58 “And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.”​

 

[A Cup Of Tea]

Apparently you missed the point as well. Aussie's talking about the last statement in #62 where I referenced Nazareth.

I have no idea what point I missed.

I'm not the creator. That divide has existed here for a long time now. Between Wil's juvenile snipes and the lack of faith on this faith based forum, it's hard to accomplish anything constructive. Hence the reference.

Matthew 13:58 “And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.”​

My bad, thought you were responsible for your own actions, but you would know best.

 

[wil]

My lack of faith? Because I don't believe allegory and metaphor as literal fact?

Oh I am going to an imaginary hell for sure now.

I guess I better an interlackofaith forum

Question..... Do you read the gita as literal as well?

 

[wil]

Snipes. I thought I've been fairly straight forward in my discussion.

Perception is a funny thing.... I thought it was you two with the passive aggressive posts a snarking at inside jokes (he missed it, over his head). My bad.

I grew up listening to the seven days of creation and then those trying to bend things to make it match science (days means eons or a period of time). G!d "walking" (got legs?) In a garden and the all knowing can't find a&e and didn't know they would eat the forbidden fruit.... None of it made sense as literal.... Ya gotta have faith.... Really? You gotta not believe your eyes or ears or that reality exists in any form.

It was a relief to find this not only wasn't true...but that you could have faith, find value in our lives from the book without thinking it a science text.

But I also thought that is what everybody thought...and that is whaylt.they had always thought...

I was frankly embarrassed to find this is an american experience, one that started in the 1800s... Literalism.... To keep blacks enslaved...literalism...to keep women barefoot and pregnant...without a voice, without a vote, under the thumb of men...

Sorry to dissapoint you NJ...I love and value both the bible...and reality.... Metaphor, allegory, parables, metaphysics, expand it....a literal genesis creates a house of cards which has made many a man not give that book a second thought... It is atheists favorite place (that and the ark, n Leviticus) to toss the entire book aside....and that is shame, a sham, and an insult to thought.

 

[Devils' Advocate]

Well one thing is for sure NJ. We have most definitely now fallen into sniping and name calling.

Aussie, rather than mocking me for my ignorance, it really would have been more helpful if you had explained it to me. I don't suppose you were interested in being helpful though.

the lack of faith on this faith based forum

Seriously? You are going to go there? My faith does not agree with your version, nor does Wil's, nor Tea's, so we have no faith? What a sad comment to make. I thought this was supposed to be an Inter Faith site.

 

[Namaste Jesus]

What a sad comment to make. I thought this was supposed to be an Inter Faith site.

That's right, this an Interfaith forum, but what happens when someone chooses the word of God over science or sees scientific findings in a different light? Are there view points even considered? Hell no! They're mocked and ridiculed. Science is fact. Indisputable proof. The Holy Bible, oh that's just a story book. Faith in God takes a back seat around here whether you choose to admit it or not.

I dare post videos of scientist who have opposing views on the theory of evolution and I'm automatically labeled a literalistic. You know, those uneducated people W!l so fondly categorizes as racists and womanizers. Even though I repeatedly tell everyone I do in fact believe some form of evolution took place and that in my opinion neither side has it completely right. My views of the Bible are anything, but literal. Hell, I got slapped down by Omega of all people for my views on Genesis and creation.

Then what happens when I disagree with the conclusion of DNA findings thought to prove evolution. Oh, you must be missing the point. You must not understand how DNA works. That proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that we all came from a common source. I.E. not God. Well I do understand how DNA works and to me and umpteen other people that common source is God.

Aussie's big crime? He finds it funny you think I'm missing the point then comment back on something I said in a post that you clearly did not understand. He even apologized for finding it funny, but no he's now a bad guy too. Interfaith? Sure as long as you don't favor God over science.

Hey, if I'm no longer welcome to express my views around here, say the word. I'll gladly step aside.

 

[A Cup Of Tea]

Then what happens when I disagree with the conclusion of DNA findings thought to prove evolution. Oh, you must be missing the point. You must not understand how DNA works.

I think you don't understand what you're talking about because you don't have the background to comprehend it, it's not a slap in the face, it's an acknowledgement that of the human limitations. You are only human to me. I don't know why you think you know better than those trained in the fields, and I doubt I ever will.
And yes, if one assumes the Bible is telling how the physical universe cam into physical being than that person is a literalist. I know you and Aussie have some other definition of 'literal' but keep in mined that other people will think of something else when you use the word.

 

[Namaste Jesus]

I think you don't understand what you're talking about because you don't have the background to comprehend it

Tea, I'm no genius when it comes to biology, but there's a lot of people who are that take the same or similar stance as mine, but that's neither here nor there. I have more faith in God than I do the ideas of man. So, when in doubt, I go with God. That's what faith is all about. I don't have a problem with people that go the other way. I just want to be able to express my views too without being judged and labeled.

 

[wil]

With all the authors and editors and translators of the collection of books we call the bible....is it not common knowledge that it is not G!d's word.... But many men's interpretations?

 

[A Cup Of Tea]

Tea, I'm no genius when it comes to biology, but there's a lot of people who are that take the same or similar stance as mine, but that's neither here nor there. I have more faith in God than I do the ideas of man. So, when in doubt, I go with God. That's what faith is all about. I don't have a problem with people that go the other way. I just want to be able to express my views too without being judged and labeled.

You should do that, but you mix it up with science and say that is not a literal interpretation of the bible, which we think it is. I don't mind, as I have said many times, other interpretation, but the scientific consensus bla bla bla. You might not want to be labeled a literalist (I don't understand why not) but that is what people will think you are, not much you can do about it.

 

[Namaste Jesus]

With all the authors and editors and translators of the collection of books we call the bible....is it not common knowledge that it is not G!d's word.... But many men's interpretations?

Wil, I don't think you realize how offensive statements like that are to people who view the Bible as the inspired word of God. Yeah, man got his grubby mitts in there and changed things around a bit, but the story is still a good one and with a little discernment, not to hard to figure out. You may disagree and that's fine, but don't smear something another holds near and dear.

 

[Aussie Thoughts]

It's a rabbit hole all of us have ventured into on the forum at one time or the other and the outcome is always the same. Not good.

Called that one. Gee... I'm so glad I started this thread.