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Well, I included that bit about human nature to suggest that maybe part of what happened had subtle sub-conscious psychological features driving it, but yeah, I don't care, maybe it didn't, no biggie, just a thought.
How it developed was, you seemed to be questioning how or why they spoke up against what you wrote, this was another potential guess as to a factor which may have also driven their defense of the individual. I am writing this also because you asked.
Every time you give me the impression of asking some sort of question I try to offer some kinds of answers, which may not be true or accurate or enjoyed by you, but that is what is going on here from my perspective, not a debate or what I'd call a debate. Just you questioning, me offering possible answers, you questioning more, and me trying to explain more, but not debating or questioning you because I have no objection to what you did and what happened simply happened and these were my thoughts about why it might have occurred since you seemed to ask about it.
I'm also finding it sort of funny that this is what stellaluna gets to see immediately as an introduction to this website and its members, I think its a good introduction and tutorial.
Its common on forums or in human interactions to witness hostility and bickering and suppression attempts and power plays and stags bashing antlers, even females with horns.
I think you all have more testosterone than me though (which has been linked to hair loss and male balding). I just mentioned that in case it was of any interest. In my perhaps completely incorrect skewed vision of what I witness among humans, I see a lot of animal behavior and hormone based chemical reactions, but that might just be my imagination of course. I think religions are run by chemicals in many ways.
How it developed was, you seemed to be questioning how or why they spoke up against what you wrote, this was another potential guess as to a factor which may have also driven their defense of the individual. I am writing this also because you asked.
Every time you give me the impression of asking some sort of question I try to offer some kinds of answers, which may not be true or accurate or enjoyed by you, but that is what is going on here from my perspective, not a debate or what I'd call a debate. Just you questioning, me offering possible answers, you questioning more, and me trying to explain more, but not debating or questioning you because I have no objection to what you did and what happened simply happened and these were my thoughts about why it might have occurred since you seemed to ask about it.
I'm also finding it sort of funny that this is what stellaluna gets to see immediately as an introduction to this website and its members, I think its a good introduction and tutorial.
Its common on forums or in human interactions to witness hostility and bickering and suppression attempts and power plays and stags bashing antlers, even females with horns.
I think you all have more testosterone than me though (which has been linked to hair loss and male balding). I just mentioned that in case it was of any interest. In my perhaps completely incorrect skewed vision of what I witness among humans, I see a lot of animal behavior and hormone based chemical reactions, but that might just be my imagination of course. I think religions are run by chemicals in many ways.
I hear what you're saying. But for someone who writes so many words, you might try to become a bit of a better writer, imo. People aren't going to read every word you say just because they're mesmerised and can't put it down -- lying awake in bed long after it's time to be asleep, absorbing every nuance of your exclusive thought processes? Boil it down more, if you want people to absorb and think about what you're saying, imo? Do you want them to?
Writing is a skill.
Sorry, I've had a long day ...
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I already thought you did believe in God (speaking to RJM Corbet), which is why I listed you as a Theist in my post which provides the new arrival with my report based on my brief experience and scouting of the territory on here. I was saying that by your mentioning God you reveal to any witnesses the impression that you most likely are a believer in God and that most normal people would neither be surprised by this or offended by this since you are also stating it on an interfaith religious forum.
Its as much as I've gathered from your statements too, without going into detail much about what exactly you, technically or in greater specific theological detail, use the word God to refer to. I would like to know. You could post in one of my threads like the representation thread about that and your specific or nuanced beliefs in detail, I love to hear about stuff like that always.
As a further introduction, I'd like to invite the original creator of this thread to post in that thread which I recently made as well as it was designed for people to explore themselves and talk about themselves much more extensively.
Its possible to find that thread by clicking my user name probably.
It is also in the general discussion area I think and is called something like "What do you represent" or some long title like that.
Its as much as I've gathered from your statements too, without going into detail much about what exactly you, technically or in greater specific theological detail, use the word God to refer to. I would like to know. You could post in one of my threads like the representation thread about that and your specific or nuanced beliefs in detail, I love to hear about stuff like that always.
As a further introduction, I'd like to invite the original creator of this thread to post in that thread which I recently made as well as it was designed for people to explore themselves and talk about themselves much more extensively.
Its possible to find that thread by clicking my user name probably.
It is also in the general discussion area I think and is called something like "What do you represent" or some long title like that.
I have absolutely no interest at all in explaining myself to anyone else, for their entertainment.
Goodnight, brother ...
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Somewhere in all that writing of mine I explained that its mostly for me unfortunately, its only a slight bonus if anyone else gets anything from it. My goal in writing is not to entertain others with my skill or talent (or lack thereof as you pointed out) but to enjoy expressing myself in a public forum and getting just enough reaction or replies to possibly be stimulated in some way to write more. In many ways I am thankful that people don't read my writing much, because I'm able to express a lot without as much backlash because people were unable to even catch it. So from my perspective it accomplishes a lot of pleasurable things, but it makes other people feel bad maybe when they find they both wish they could read it but also don't want to but for some reason feel obligated to read a few words or sentences of it.
I don't mind though if its just totally ignored or skipped by people who basically have no interest in it, and I do the same regarding things I don't care much about or which don't stimulate or intrigue me at all.
Sometimes I watch entire films that are trash though, but mainly to extract something from them such as something to mock or laugh at.
To the new arrival, I reccomend they enjoy this website and simply skip anything boring, just like I do! No need getting frustrated about reading stuff that one doesn't even enjoy! If I'm a bore for example, skip me too! No obligation whatsoever to give anything I express the time of day, nor do I feel obliged to receive even a modicum of respect for any of my writing which are just my thoughts which excite me or make me happy. I'm nobody and I fully understand I'm nothing and unworthy, which is why its a treat if anyone ends up liking anything I write, but not my objective, since I already am pleased with the opportunity to express extensively as I do.
I don't mind though if its just totally ignored or skipped by people who basically have no interest in it, and I do the same regarding things I don't care much about or which don't stimulate or intrigue me at all.
Sometimes I watch entire films that are trash though, but mainly to extract something from them such as something to mock or laugh at.
To the new arrival, I reccomend they enjoy this website and simply skip anything boring, just like I do! No need getting frustrated about reading stuff that one doesn't even enjoy! If I'm a bore for example, skip me too! No obligation whatsoever to give anything I express the time of day, nor do I feel obliged to receive even a modicum of respect for any of my writing which are just my thoughts which excite me or make me happy. I'm nobody and I fully understand I'm nothing and unworthy, which is why its a treat if anyone ends up liking anything I write, but not my objective, since I already am pleased with the opportunity to express extensively as I do.
Keep practising. You're already getting tighter. lol ...
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No problem, you shouldn't do anything you don't feel like doing, but forums as far as I think of them are places where we can share ourselves or our ideas together and be inspired to write back and forth and all that. If you ever felt like doing that in any thread, I'm a pretty curious person who likes to learn about what others think too besides sharing what I think and how I think, which may be of no interest to anyone but myself understandably. Anyway, hope you feel better!
Actually, I may have been wrong about the friendliness on this forum, I think my own friendliness is what may have skewed things. I am very likely the nicest person on any forum! I've been booted from most every forum I've ever been on though since people hate my writing and writing style a lot. Its kind of funny. They killed Socrates too for being a pest who talks to people too much in the public places.
On one website, a Satanist website called Become a Living God, they banned me for 1000 years haha. I barely even got to write anything but my reputation had preceded me.
Anyway, very few people get on everyone's nerves the way I do, and I hope you're not discouraged by anything to limit your contributions, since there is very little activity on this website and it needs active questions and new perspectives and people frequently sharing if it is to be given more liveliness or if I'll ever find a chance to talk about what I am interested in!
No. Not at all. I think you're welcome here, unless there are badly offensive statements, which I don't think there are.
No, the thing is that to a writer, who has worked to absorb some of the discipline the use of the written word entails, it's like a musician listening to someone bumbling around on the piano, making a sound which seems cool to themselves, but which just isn't going to hold anyone else's attention for too long?
They won't know what to.do when your timeout expires!
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I call it Jazz! Bing bing bing bada bing. Who else should I make music for but me first of all?
Not saying you aren't right, maybe my music / writing formally sucks and will never be considered worth anything by anyone, but how much worse would it be if I hated it myself as well?
Or lets say I made a living by doing and saying and creating what I don't really like but everyone approves of? Then my food is their applause, but it isn't really satisfying for me. Its a little nice, but not what I'm about.
What I am most satisfied by is making what I like and liking what I make. This applies to everything in my life.
At some point I felt like wow, life isn't so long, and people only love you if you give them something they want, and they are very fickle and thankless too, and so who should I work for and who should I be most pleasing for? What experience do I really have thorough access too? Well, only my own! So then that person I should give the most enjoyment first and get everything for is the one I'm stuck with and feeling with, me me me.
I don't know what God knows or feels, and God has everything and no needs, so working for something I can't access is certainly weird.
I don't know how people necessarily feel inside, I only know and have access to my own feelings, likes, and dislikes, thoughts, and opinions. So as far as I can get away with it, I think its beneficial to gain pleasure for the one who you feel it as. Of course, our pleasure is like you've noticed, not the pleasure of others, just as their pleasure does little to stimulate us and ours, we are essentially cut off. We get a little joy seeing someone happy, but overall its nothing like being happy and generating what makes you yourself happy first.
So going bong bong on the piano really sends the right chemicals into me for whatever reason, so I do it, bong bong, and hope people generally leave me to it.
Everyone has different tastes of course, so if someone doesn't want to attend a bong bong concert they can just skip it and listen to what they might prefer more.
Why do I go bong bong even if people hate it? I think I go bong bong even if people hate it because I like it, and if I hated it I wouldn't do it, and if I didn't like it but others did I'd not do it either, because I can not even access their feeling juice the way I certainly can my own!
The reason I'm writing this here is that I wonder if it might not also be a helpful thing to think about.
How much should we live our life to meet the standards or ideals of others and not those which we prefer most?
I'm ultimately of an understandably odious and obnoxious sounding philosophy of hedonism and the pursuit of personal pleasure, and only have the luck of enjoying things which are pretty harmless overall, such as writing things like this or being beautiful or making nice art and music (nice to me), and reading things of interest, and no liking alcohol, drugs, serial sexual affairs, gambling, or anything else which causes people the most problems usually.
My whole life and all my goals are dedicated to self-service and extending my ability to savor and enjoy and extract maximum enjoyment out of every hour and minute of interacting with information. I can not imagine anything else to do with my time but to maximize pleasure and minimize pain here and now as well as in the hope of forever.
It would be entirely contrary to this if I had some other practice or became convinced somehow that pleasing others over all leads to anything so great as enjoying myself and crafting a life and body and image and products all for my great pleasure.
I'm my number 1 fan and I try to know what I like and how to get it for me and extend it for my enjoyment.
I think I've got it right, but I like to puzzle over alternative suggestions and re-prioritized schemes to see if they can convince me, yet its a hard thing to convince me because my whole basis of "value" is based on pleasure and pain, with prolonged or ever-lasting pleasure without pain being the highest possible goal and achievement, and prolonged or ever-lasting pain without pleasure being the result I hope most to avoid forever and always.
That is the whole basis of my very basic and simplistic worldview, how to gain the best pleasure without detriments or bad consequences and avoid the most pain forever.
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There it is again - Spiritual Masochism - just sayin 
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Sometimes, sigh ...
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So you would like people to think about what you say?
Why should the reader have to work so hard? Isn't that the writer's job? Could you not edit all in about a quarter or less of the words? It's a discipline. It's something to work at.
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Honestly, I'm trying to decide if Christianity as I know it is compatible with being female. That may sound ridiculous if you're male, but I have heard some very harmful things about femininity and female-ness my whole life that were conveyed to me as "biblical." I pushed back against these messages from a young age, but that doesn't mean they weren't damaging. I'm trying to process what I was taught with what I've learned from reading and studying on my own.
I'm also interested in the history of the bible, Christianity, and religion as a whole...ancient belief and practice, etc. Those are long-held interests and not necessarily related.