CORONA VIRUS
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Bingo.
The lemming syndrome. Because the rest of the world does it ...
The median age of covid deaths is 82.5 yrs old. Destroying the lives of the young and the working age to shield the retired and the aged, who do not have to work so they can stay home if they want to. And I am one of them.
I do not request young and working people to lose their jobs and their futures so that I can continue my retirement in comfort.
No-one is making old and retired people go out. Nobody is forcing them to risk their health by going anywhere.
There are too many of us anyway. We are completely overburdening the system. It is people like me -- WE the comfortably retired -- who should be raising our voices against this global lockdown lunacy. Imo
Our selfishness is breeding a growing resentment amongst the young
Our selfishness is breeding a growing resentment amongst the young
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Careful .. who do you propose should die .. those people in large cities .. or those in small villages?
The point is, that we don't want to see hospitals being overwhelmed.
That is not acceptable for most people. I agree that 'as much as possible' should be "kept open".
Why not? Is that worse than hundreds of thousands of people permanently losing their jobs? The tourist industry destroyed? Thousands of people permanently out of business? More acceptable?
Add hundreds of thousands of untreated deaths from cancer and heart disease and all sorts of other causes.
Those who die
People who do not like aeroplanes and stuff like that are completely entitled to their opinion, but they are surely not entitled to use the Corona crisis as a vehicle to push their own social engineering agendas, while hundreds of thousands of people are permanently losing their jobs and businesses and ability to support their families and children. Imo
I think you'll find that the present govt. in UK doesn't want that to happen.
If Keir Starmer had his way, we would be in a national lockdown..
OK .. do you think that we shouldn't be trying to minimise these deaths in some way?
I think nobody in a vulnerable category who does not want to encounter covid-19, is forced to go out there and encounter it. No-one is forcing a vulnerable category person to get on a bus or go to a theatre or enter a restaurant, who is already supported by the government, and who therefore does not have to go out there and have to d*** well earn a living in order to support themself and family and their children. How can I make it clearer?
If I don't want to get covid I stay at home and don't go anywhere and order my groceries delivered to my door -- with a reasonable pension to cover my electric and gas and council tax and other utilities and rent excess, etc -- is that such a hard life? If someone else wants to go to the cinema or the theatre or a pub or restaurant why should they not be allowed to do so?
The median age of death is 82.5yrs and the large majority of people who do encounter it do not get very sick or have lasting effects, or even show symptoms.
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The median age of death is 82.5yrs and the large majority of people who do encounter it do not get very sick or have lasting effects, or even show symptoms.
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That doesn't really answer my question, does it?
I said "do you think that we shouldn't be trying to minimise these deaths in some way?"
It is quite obvious that the elderly don't have to go out very often.
However, a large number of deaths is in care homes.
I would think that it is not possible for these people to isolate themselves.
It's clear that you agree with the "herd immunity" argument.
I don't know. What if we have people dying on the street on stretchers, like they did in New York?
I said "do you think that we shouldn't be trying to minimise these deaths in some way?"
It is quite obvious that the elderly don't have to go out very often.
However, a large number of deaths is in care homes.
I would think that it is not possible for these people to isolate themselves.
It's clear that you agree with the "herd immunity" argument.
I don't know. What if we have people dying on the street on stretchers, like they did in New York?
If some of the benefit supporters had their way, they wouldn't have to work and the government would love to just pay them to sit home and do nothing for the rest of their lives ... Kier knows where his bread's buttered, imo, lol
Of course. Intelligently. Not the deaths of those with just a few years left to live anyway, at the expense of those with their whole lives still ahead of them.
I'm quite convinced those people would rather see their families than die alone. It's absolutely wicked
Means health systems will have to buck up. Governments will have to stop denying responsibility. There are plenty of empty beds in the nightingale hospitals just not enough staff
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That's not my experience. It's easy for an opposition party to criticise.
When they are in govt. it is then a different story
Bingo! What I saidThat's not my experience. It's easy for an opposition party to criticise.
When they are in govt. it is then a different story
That's true. There is a limit to how much money a govt. can "print".
Doctors already get ~ £1,000 per week.
You can't have nurses without Doctors. They are the ones in charge.
Less than 6 in every 10 000 people have died so far 'after being tested positive for covid-19 within the last 28 days' with a median age of 82.5 yrs -- which is actually a bit past normal human life expectancy, and of course the vast majority people that age have very many other complications, and so the deaths cannot honestly be attributed to covid.
In the meantime the economy the youth and everybody's jobs and businesses are being devastated. Most young people who get it don't even show any symptoms. And thousands upon thousands of untreated other serious diseases of being pushed aside.
Anyway you can buy the lemming hype if you want to ...
In the meantime the economy the youth and everybody's jobs and businesses are being devastated. Most young people who get it don't even show any symptoms. And thousands upon thousands of untreated other serious diseases of being pushed aside.
Anyway you can buy the lemming hype if you want to ...
But not when they need to print billions for lockdown furlough support, etc?
Governments essentially have to do what the people decide. They are answerable to the people. Democratic governments are? So if the people want to be lemmings and dive over the edge of a cliff, the government is there to enable them to do it, not to prevent it happening?
Umm .. I'm not "buying" anything .. I think for myself.
In the long run, maybe..
As far as I'm aware, the govt. is listening to its scientific advisors. It doesn't HAVE to follow their recommendations.
They have to make balanced decisions, and I don't think they are doing THAT bad.
I don't think it's reasonable that they ignore SAGE .. that's what you are suggesting, in effect.