CORONA VIRUS

I found out that there have been 224,584 deaths due to coronavirus (probably more) in the United States. I'm afraid to find out the latest death tolls around the world (hell, The Trio have been earning their crunchies with this pandemic!)

Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine
 
@RJM
I do understand what you are saying.
I don't think the big spend on the "test & trace app" was a good idea.
However, most scientific advisors would probably disagree with me.

I DO think that the increasing hospitalisations and deaths are something to take note of.
Almighty God is testing us. The time & tested way of controlling pandemics is quarantine.

Quarantine has become much harder to implement, due to global travel.
That is why covid is a problem worldwide. Any means to control it HAS to include travel restrictions, I'm afraid.
If not, then any other measures we take will be wasted.
 
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I think we have a duty to listen to those that have to deal with covid .. being in professional PPE all day .. seeing people struggling & dying.
Yes .. I'm sure they think they should have more money .. who doesn't?
I'm also sure that they think it's better to take SOME sort of preventative measures!
 
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Let's start again. What are they doing right, destroying the lives of young people and the working people and all the other people with cancer and heart conditions etc, in order to shield six in every ten thousand people from dying who tested positive for covid within the last 28 days -- of average age 82.5 yrs -- who do not have to work because their pensions cover all their expenses and utilities, and therefore do not have to go out and risk getting the disease, if they don't want to?
 
muhammad_isa said:
think we have a duty to listen to those that have to deal with covid .. being in professional PPE all day .. seeing people struggling & dying.
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I think we also have a duty to listen to all the other people who lost their jobs and ability to support themselves and their families, in order to protect retired people who already have triple-lock pensions at the expense of these working people?
 
Pensioners who want to 'stay safe' don't have to go anywhere. They don't have to go out and earn a living. Everything they need is paid for by the government. Why should everyone else have to suffer in order to shield them?
 
Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine said:
I found out that there have been 224,584 deaths due to coronavirus (probably more) in the United States. I'm afraid to find out the latest death tolls around the world (hell, The Trio have been earning their crunchies with this pandemic!)

Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine
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Out of total US population, makes US 9th in the world deaths per million -- 6.7 deaths per 10 thousand -- people tested positive for covid within the last 28 days, the average age being 82.5 yrs.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/
 
muhammad_isa said:
HAS to include travel restrictions, I'm afraid.
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150 000 hotel and hospitality jobs lost already this year -- plus 9000 still on furlough -- snowball effect upon the hotel suppliers, the people who make the wine glasses and cutlery, the laundries, the people who supply the linen, the coach companies and all the little shops in the towns the depend on tourists ... millions of people affected. Add all airline people who lost their jobs, all the airline suppliers ...
 
RJM Corbet said:
I think we also have a duty to listen to all the other people who lost their jobs and ability to support themselves and their families, in order to protect retired people..
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That's rather a cynical viewpoint, imo.
"It's not me dying, so who cares?"

There has to be a balance.
Never mind WHO is dying, we need to address the issues that are being faced by the NHS.
 
RJM Corbet said:
150 000 hotel and hospitality jobs lost already this year ... millions of people affected ...
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Indeed .. it is a worldwide problem. I blame China .. they should have contained it in the first place.

Life has always been up & down .. there has always been change. Let's hope that the future
will be brighter.
If we ignore the warning signs that the NHS might collapse, what sort of future is THAT likely to give us?

You don't know what you've got, until it's gone.
We all expect to have operations if we need them..
We all expect an ambulance to take us to a functioning A & E, if we crash our car etc. etc.
 
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RJM Corbet said:
If I don't want to get covid I stay at home and don't go anywhere and order my groceries delivered to my door -- with a reasonable pension to cover my electric and gas and council tax and other utilities and rent excess, etc -- is that such a hard life? If someone else wants to go to the cinema or the theatre or a pub or restaurant why should they not be allowed to do so?
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Right, like the guy that delivered those groceries. You know, the one that contracted Covid last night at that crowded theater he attended. The same guy with his mask around his chin that just sneezed on your sack of groceries before putting it down. He has rights too you know... :eek:

I do agree with you to a point. I mean, I think having to live in a tanked economy is far worse than dealing with Covid. At the same time though, we can't just write off our seniors. They've earned more respect than that. Everyone just has to do their part to protect those most vulnerable, while keeping the wheels of society turning as best we can. We're all in this together, old and young alike.
 
But if we seniors don't want to contract covid, we don't have to go anywhere. We don't have to go out? We are capable of self-sheilding No one is making us go out. We can shield ourselves.What right have we to destroy the prospects for the young and working age people? That is my point?
 
That's just it, seniors don't have to go out to get it. If young people are putting themselves at risk by attending large gatherings, Covid may come to them. As in my example, the guy delivering your groceries, the plumber who unclogs your drain, the furnace man there to tune up your system. Both of which I had to deal with just this past week. No, we can't tank the economy over it, but we can't take unnecessary chances either. It's not only our own health we're risking.
 
Namaste Jesus said:
That's just it, seniors don't have to go out to get it. If young people are putting themselves at risk by attending large gatherings, Covid may come to them. As in my example, the guy delivering your groceries, the plumber who unclogs your drain, the furnace man there to tune up your system. Both of which I had to deal with just this past week. No, we can't tank the economy over it, but we can't take unnecessary chances either. It's not only our own health we're risking.
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Fair points NJ
 
Thomas said:
It's not COVID that's wrecking the economy ... its the mismanagement of it.
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Indeed! If one prioritizes the people over the "bottom line", the economy will fall in line, plus people will still trade for required items (like food) without worrying whether it's safe to eat/share.

Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine
 
Which people to prioritize? The working people with families?
 
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The more airlines and hotels go out of business, the more towns and areas go out of business, and hundreds of thousands, going to millions, of ordinary everyday people who worked to support themselves and their families, who paid taxes and rent etc, become jobless and dependent on government support.

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This is not academic, it is absolutely real
 
Allow people who want to shield themselves to do so. Provide government taxpayer support to people who want to stay at home and do not want to take the risk. Guarantee sanitized grocery deliveries and plumbers, etc. Fix the smaller details as they come.

Allow everybody else to get on with their ordinary lives, and let them decide if they want to take the chance, if that is their own choice?
 
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If I don't want to see my grandchildren, let that be my own choice. I can sheild myself if I wish to. The government has not the right to impose that choice upon me. Or to impose upon my family that they should not be allowed to be with me when I am dying -- that I should die alone by government decree.

Anyway ...
 
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