CORONA VIRUS

Most of the 20 to 30 something people I know have no intention of being jabbed, for the reasons I've stated. So it seems to be definitely an age thing around here. They just find no reason to risk the vaccine. They are not anti vaxx conspiracy theorists -- that would be an older age group over 40, mostly leftist liberals.
 
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wil said:
You are right...the kids aren't dying...your link does show however they are the transmission rate to their parents and grandparents....
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But if their parents and grandparents are vaccinated, they should be safe, right? If the vaccine works? Because even if the kids are vaccinated, it doesn't effectively prevent transmission? Young people around here are not getting the logic of this ...
 
It's understood that every effort helps against the virus. But it's balanced in peoples' minds against the suspicion of long-term health effects caused by the vaccine on the immune system, blood clotting and so on, and not just amongst conspiracy theorist anti-vaxxers. Young working people believe they have far more to lose than the older retired generation.

EDIT: I don't know about Germany and America, but in England the vaccine uptake has been very good by the over 50 generation most at risk, just as it is with the annual flu shot. It stalls amongst youger age groups minimally affected by danger of serious covid
 
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RJM Corbet said:
It's understood that every effort helps against the virus..
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That is @Cino's whole point.
When we had our health services being seriously overwhelmed .. with the clapping for the doctor's and nurses .. there wasn't a vaccine available.
If there had been, I would imagine that a lot of people would have considered the un-vaccinated as being unreasoanble.

In many hospitals in Germany at present, 80% of covid patients are unvaccinated :(
 
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In many hospitals in Germany at present, 80% of covid patients are unvaccinated :(
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What is their age group? What I'm asking? Is it just under 50s?

As I said I don't know Germany or America. The vast majority of susceptible elder people in England certain are vaccinated?
 
RJM Corbet said:
But if their parents and grandparents are vaccinated, they should be safe, right? If the vaccine works? Because even if the kids are vaccinated, it doesn't effectively prevent transmission? Young people around here are not getting the logic of this ...
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Well, as a parent an a grandparent, I am not worried about myself. I am in my 80th year. It does not matter when I push off. I am worried about them getting infected. Young people do not always go by logic. They get carried away by the idea of freedom. Too much freedom leads to stampede or stadium brawls. It is not really freedom but irresponsibility.
 
A five year old who falls.off his bike and needs emergency surgery cannot....he needs to be transported past 3 local hospitals whose.emergency rooms are over run by covid.patients and docs n nurses overworked by covid patients...

He doesn't make it...due to covid.

We need higher vaccination rates...so our health care systems are not overwhelmed.

Or people will continue to die of injuries and disease that we cant treat today...but had zero problem fixing for.the past.50 years...

We need those hospital beds and ERs back open for standard medical care.
 
wil said:
A five year old who falls.off his bike and needs emergency surgery cannot....he needs to be transported past 3 local hospitals whose.emergency rooms are over run by covid.patients and docs n nurses overworked by covid patients...

He doesn't make it...due to covid.

We need higher vaccination rates...so our health care systems are not overwhelmed.

Or people will continue to die of injuries and disease that we cant treat today...but had zero problem fixing for.the past.50 years...

We need those hospital beds and ERs back open for standard medical care.
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So this why there is a two year waiting list to see the dentist, and why it's very difficult to see a GP doctor in person? Is it why if you finally get to see a doctor you have to wait outside or else sit in a freezing waiting room, socially distanced with all the windows open in winter?

Isn't that the real reason cancer and other serious illnesses are going untreated? In England there's sure enough a long queue for the ERs but not because they're full of covid patients-- it's because they're full of people with earache and arthritis and so on, who cannot get to see a doctor any other way.

Because they're so afraid of letting people near the hospitals and surgeries in case of them bringing covid in with them. That's the real truth of it here.

This in spite of there being plenty of ICU beds available since the last lockdown ended ...
 
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Now we're facing more restrictions over a variant that has not so far hospitalized a single person worldwide. It's why people don't believe the 'official version' any longer

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Covid isn't the big problem. The hysterical over reaction is the big problem, imo
 
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I agree.

To blame unvaccinated young people for it is sadder still. The world's turned on its side.
 
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wil said:
That would be an opinion I disagree with.
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I wouldn't want to take it further. We live in different countries with different dynamics
 
We don't have the same powerful right wing nationalist tribe here, as in Germany or America. They exist but as an insignificant fringe. Our anti-vaxx are from the liberal side, along with anti 5G and uncomfortably mixed ideologically with the climate change extremists blocking motorways and city centres. I can be corrected if I'm wrong

Covid is shaking the world up in many different ways, it seems?
 
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We have various anti vax folks....

The religionists that think G!d will save them (yet for some reason need a gun)

Our foil hatters all loving conspiracies.

Our libertarians (Boris ain't right)?

Our flower children

Our anti medicine folk.

Our dont trust govt folk...

Their Venn diagram is like the flower of life/death)
 
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Boris has just been speaking. Minor new restrictions: work from home if possible, an increase in mask wearing, encouraging booster uptake -- also vaxx certificates for specified crowded situations -- and waiting to see how the new omnicron behaves. The present attitude seems to be that although it spreads rapidly, it is not leading to a big increase in hospitalization because of as opposed to with omnicron.

We'll just have to wait and see what comes from this new variant scare. One thing certain: it won't be the last one, imo.

No more to say until we know the effects of this variant, which is spreading mostly among young people right now. A vaxx resistant variant that hospitalizes children and young people would be truly terrible. It's in God's hands
 
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