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Religion by its very nature is not rational, that is where the atheist wins this argument.
Which is fine and no one cares, until we start trying to 'edcate' everyone else to believe the same as we do ...Religion by its very nature is not rational, that is where the atheist wins this argument.
Religion by its very nature is not rational, that is where the atheist wins this argument.
So am I going to have to grow a long beard before the mosque allows me in, and wrap my women in black from neck to ankle
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Which is fine and no one cares, until we start trying to 'edcate' everyone else to believe the same as we do ...
- Another Brick in the Wall -We don't need no education
We don't need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teacher, leave them kids alone
Agreed.What you may like or dislike has no bearing on truth.
To which the atheist then says, "Show me your God."
It is also why the atheist believes all those billions of people are misled.
While I don't think I've ever read it overtly stated, the presumption I've always had is that Atheists lead (or follow) themselves, their own rational reasoning.I, however, am rightly guided. Now, if only you could tell me, by whom... must have slipped my mind...
Nothing you wrote here is rational.Arrogance gets you nowhere.
The implication that God does not exist is irrational.
To believe that an intelligent universe can come from nothingness is irrational.
If I could show you God, it wouldn't "make people believe", despite people's insistence that it would.
"showing" means seeing with the eyes .. people could claim it was just an illusion etc.
There's something superior to the eyes. The heart.
Nothing you wrote here is rational.
I hear Baron Munchhausen had good things to tell about such exercises in boot-strapping. I haven't been able to replicate his success, and remain happily unguided.While I don't think I've ever read it overtly stated, the presumption I've always had is that Atheists lead (or follow) themselves, their own rational reasoning.
By proxy?I hear Baron Munchhausen had good things to tell about such exercises in boot-strapping.
Not at all, merely repeating what has been said by others, many times.Basically, you are implying that people who have faith do not use their intelligence in determining their creed.
As I am certain it would be, within the self-referential confines. Outside of that box, not so much.It's all about rationality for me.
Yes, but you would be dealing with pure, raw, unfiltered rationality...and win that particular debate.If I thought the existence of God was irrational, I would be an atheist.
"Rationality implies the conformity of one's beliefs with one's reasons to believe." So if one does not conform to your beliefs they are irrational? Ergo, inside your box folks are rational, outside of your box folks are irrational?rational:- a: having reason or understanding. b : relating to, based on, or agreeable to reason
Rationality implies the conformity of one's beliefs with one's reasons to believe." So if one does not conform to your beliefs they are irrational? Ergo, inside your box folks are rational, outside of your box folks are irrational?
Let me ask, what is it about faith, exactly, that is rational?
Let me ask, what is it about faith, exactly, that is rational?
- wikipedia -Religious people often think of faith as confidence based on a perceived degree of warrant, while others who are more skeptical of religion tend to think of faith as simply belief without evidence.
"Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:Is it rational to believe that God sent many human messengers to mankind and then decides to "send himself"
Doesn't matterI would say not.
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Doesn't matter
I apologise for my misunderstanding and taking your statement out of contextOf course it matters
I was asked "what is it about faith, exactly, that is rational?"
Unfortunately, human beings have been brainwashed for 100's of years to believe that Jesus intended to start a new religion.
..but he did not. It evolved due to political pressure