The thread title will stay there on the board for perhaps another 20 years, and will continue to be read by lots of people, not just registered members. The title can be changed, if you wish to suggest another one?I haven't recently been offended
As far as I'm concerned, this thread is history now.
I started it last year in the middle of the pandemic when things got a bit out of hand.
I see somebody rejuvenated the thread .. don't panic, it will pass .. inshAllah
Is Islam peaceful and a good religion for everyone ?
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Ijaz Ahmad Ahmadi
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Thanks. I suggest the title may be " Is Islam peaceful and good religion for everyone? "
The meanings are the same but respectful and polite way. It will not hurt anybody.
The meanings are the same but respectful and polite way. It will not hurt anybody.
Thank you. It's done. Door not closed. Suggestions still welcome?
You know reading through it again, the original title of this thread posed the very same question the new title poses, just with fewer words and unlike the threads I mentioned, that blatantly attempt to undermine a core Christian belief, this thread has not disrespected Islamic views in the least. If anything, has sought to bolster them up. So perhaps objections to the title are ill founded.
On reflection, I think a better question would be, why wouldn't a Christian be offended by someone trying to use their own scripture against them to undermine a core belief? So while I'm not really offended by it, as such feeble attempts are nothing new, I do find threads like that rather annoying. Especially when the attack is allowed to take place on the Christian board. I think that's skirting rule 2 of our COC pretty close. If not removed altogether, at the very least it should be moved to the Islamic section as it comes from their POV.
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When we are talking in the Islam section, it will be better, if we quote from the Quran. And same, when we are talking in the Christianity section, it will be better, if we quote from the Bible. Then, there will be no disrespect to each other. So, I request to all members, please use quotes as the above, I have mentioned. Thanks to all.
It's been changed again @Ijaz Ahmad Ahmadi suggestion to Is Islam peaceful and good religion for everyone?
However the thread title is still open to suggestions
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Jesus would be offended by the trinity trigod vote at nicea 325ad ad making him god
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Rabbi's? Really? I thought he attacked the traders and moneylenders in the outer court saying 'My house is a house of prayer, but you have made it a den of thieves'
And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
And the blind and the lame came to him in the temple; and he healed them.
Do you know that bit from the New Testament? Matthew 21:12-14
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Does not the Quran agree that Jesus was a sinless man, born of a virgin, who was lifted up alive to heaven? Are you insulting your own prophet?
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No we don't.
Yes
He didn't say that.
He did say:
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
(Matthew 10: 34-37)
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He meant it not as a physical sword, but as a severing. Just as when the angel told Mary a sword would pierce her own heart. A metaphorical sword. The chapter needs to be read in context. But you are not going to accept that, now are you? You are being mislead by whoever is telling you about the Jesus of the New Testament. Perhaps you should find a better teacher?
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Ok. Where does he say that? Can you quote the verse reference?
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Ok. Got it, here:
And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.
(Luke 22:35-38)
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Fair enough. In context he said this to them just before entering the Garden of Gethsemane. So he knew he was shortly going to be taken away. It's a cryptic passage, isn't it? It doesn't sound as if he was leading his men out to battle, with only two swords? He knew they were soon going to be left alone without him.
That's not 'Go buy swords, kill my deniers'
And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.
(Luke 22:35-38)
Luke 22 KJV Read whole chapter
Fair enough. In context he said this to them just before entering the Garden of Gethsemane. So he knew he was shortly going to be taken away. It's a cryptic passage, isn't it? It doesn't sound as if he was leading his men out to battle, with only two swords? He knew they were soon going to be left alone without him.
That's not 'Go buy swords, kill my deniers'
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No they don't. Anyone can read the Bible ...