Any anti vax/mask/virus hoaxers here?

On holiday recently, a large camp site in Norfolk ...

Well-spaced camping pitches. We all (the extended family) took tests a week and a day before camp.

There is one, large, toilet block with toilets, showers. fridges, phone chargers ... busy all day ... nigh-on nobody wearing a mask! I wear one when shopping, and sometimes in busy streets.

My reckoning. What's the risk? I don't know, but contagion is contagion, so there is a risk. Does it cost me to wear a mask? Nope. Ergo ...
 
Thomas said:
Where, who? Why is this not reported? Why are even doctors not shouting it?
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They are!!!

But the media is shouting them down, with epithets like "hoaxers."

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These are frontline physicians, treating THOUSANDS of Covid patients, with the treatments that are being politically silenced. As noted in the Lancet retraction!!! (the same one nobody seems to know anything about)

So, who do you want treating you? A politician with an agenda, or an experienced physician? I know which one I choose.

They can stuff their booster.
 
Slightly off topic, but not...Wil, pressure ulcers are medical malpractice. If your doctors sent you home with bedsores, I would be finding the best attorney in town. They are supposed to do EVERYTHING they can to prevent bedsores, unfortunately it is all too common, and they leave the patient to think it is the patient's fault. Not so.
 
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juantoo3 said:
And fetuses are not diseases,
Just throwing it back...
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I think the distinction revolves around 'contagion'.

And, I think you'll find, if one is carrying a contagious disease, habeas corpus gives way to public health concerns in every case – the state can quarantine individuals, families, and upward, as necessary.
 
Thomas said:
Are you sure? Look at the wiki page!

Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine? In all trials it's proven ineffective?
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Proven ineffective in *one* paper that has since been rescinded in the Lancet because of falsified and non-existent data!!! I put this stuff right there in front of ya'll and still you refuse...what more can I do? This is emblematic of the uphill struggle against the political machinations at loose at the moment.

Tell me, how did India bring their rampant cases under control without the benefit of our "modern" vaccines??? Since you decline to look at the evidence when I lay it out in front of you, research this one yourself, then get back to me.

Not an experience physician with an agenda, that's for sure!
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Like, Doctors Without Borders, perhaps? Or perhaps some other NGO medical group?

Unless perhaps you mean those like the little god Fauci, who says if you disagree with him, you disagree with science? Trouble is, Fauci doesn't agree with Fauci, hard to tell what will come out of him, depending which side of the bed he got out of in the morning. No mask, mask, double mask, mask...can't make up his own mind, but he expects others to be in lockstep???
 
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Thomas said:
...both journals accuse the left, without foundation.
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Wow...you don't even see it in the links you put up for me to view. I am disappointed. I seriously thought better of you as a scholar, but apparently that ends at politics. I've always respected your right to views that do not align with mine, at least now I know there are limits to your reciprocation.

The factual truth has no further place in this discussion.
 
juantoo3 said:
Unless I'm mistaken, you wrote:
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Prolly the wrong word. No open lesion. The bed sheets sort of gripped my butt, the bed angle wanted me to slide down...my butt hurt like hell. 110nunits of blood, chest open for a day, Over a dozen ICU personnel working round the clock on me for 4 days and I was screaming about my sore butt.
 
Thomas said:
And, I think you'll find, if one is carrying a contagious disease, habeas corpus gives way to public health concerns in every case – the state can quarantine individuals, families, and upward, as necessary.
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It was never intended to be indefinite carte blanche.
 
wil said:
Prolly the wrong word. No open lesion. The bed sheets sort of gripped my butt, the bed angle wanted me to slide down...my butt hurt like hell. 110nunits of blood, chest open for a day, Over a dozen ICU personnel working round the clock on me for 4 days and I was screaming about my sore butt.
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Wow! Wow! Wow!
 
juantoo3 said:
Proven ineffective in *one* paper that has since been rescinded in the Lancet because of falsified and non-existent data!!!
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OK. I read the links, I get it.

And the issues with Big Pharma are there ... some of us in the UK are aware of Big Pharma's desire (along with US finance companies) to bring down the NHS, which is being quietly dismantled around us.

But the question remains for me, where is the data that supports Hydroxychloroquine as a treatment? Apart from Right Wing Websites?

juantoo3 said:
Tell me, how did India bring their rampant cases under control without the benefit of our "modern" vaccines??? Since you decline to look at the evidence when I lay it out in front of you, research this one yourself, then get back to me.
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OK.

The Gateway Pundit suggests Hydroxychloroquine was responsible, but there's no evidence top support the claim, TGP is a right-wing conspiracy spreader, responsible for a number of fake claims.

Meanwhile, fact-checkers find no evidence either, whereas other factors: lockdowns, masks, etc., played a part.

Where is the peer-reviewed date supporting HCQ?

All I can find is Youtube links, hardly reliable science.

juantoo3 said:
Like, Doctors Without Borders, perhaps?
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From their website, regarding Brazil:
"Fuelling sickness and death in Brazil is the overwhelming amount of disinformation circulating in communities across the country. Masks, physical distancing and the restriction of movement and non-essential activities, are shunned and politicised.

In addition, hydroxychloroquine (an anti-malarial medication) and ivermectin (an anti-parasitic drug) are touted by politicians as the panacea to the COVID-19 pandemic and prescribed by doctors as both COVID-19 prophylaxis and treatment."
 
juantoo3 said:
uh-huh..."The trial was funded by The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation." Hardly a neutral party. There is even an entire section for "Media Coverage." It's all about appearances, not science.
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juantoo3 said:
Again, the link to the group above are folks, real doctors, treating real Covid patients.
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Uh-huh ... and you think they are neutral?
 
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Ravi Shastri is the Chief Coach of Indian Cricket team.
 
I find it amazing the articles at the beginning of this affair indicated that 100 years ago the second wave...after folks became apathetic about death and just wanted to get back to their lives was worse.

We watched the first set of spikes and bell curves and got complacent and history repeated itself.
 
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