badger
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I will have to reply when on my computer.As said, I find the argument completely specious that Jesus was not regarded in his own time as a spiritual teacher along the lines of Buddha and other great spiritual lights. It's an entertaining game to make of Jesus all sorts of things that the gospels clearly do not support, but not to be taken seriously.
It ends up with constantly having to pull up the gospel passages that dispute the whatever theory being put forward about Jesus and having them dismissed as innacurate or misunderstood or whatever, while passages supporting the argument are used, often from the same paragraph that later says exactly the opposite -- as in the appearances of Jesus after the crucifixion trying to prove that he did not die on the cross, etc.
The same person who uses the spear wound as proof Jesus did not die on the cross, will say there was no eye-witness to the death. But it will be accepted there was an eye-witness to the spear thrust -- and in fact the (only) writer who reports the spear thrust, says in the same passage that he was eye-witness to the death.
It goes around in circles, dismissing passages that don't suit, accepting those that do.
It already became repetitive and circular several pages back in this thread. So, unless there's anything new ... perhaps others will be interested in continuing the discussion ...
But we have t hone round on circles because k don't expect that you've ever seen that review of the Lord's prayer before.