Why do you need Jesus? He saves you from what?

Ijaz Ahmad Ahmadi said:
Does somebody need to believe in Jesus's death on the cross, after reading these verses of the bible?
1. (II Chronicles 7:14) “If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sins, and will heal their land”.


2. (Ezekiel 18:20-21) “The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, and neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son.

“The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.…. But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keeps all my statutes, and does that which is lawful and rightful, he shall surely live, and will not die”.


3. (1Timothy 6:18-19) That they do good, that they are rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate; Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.


4. Matthew 19:17 (New Living Translation)

“Why ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. But to answer your question—if you want to receive eternal life, keep the commandments.”
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It will help if you read the whole passage my friend. It is easy to take certain verses out of context no matter the religion. If we have sinned at all, our souls will die, that is why we need a Savior. Jesus died on the cross to sacrifice Himself to pay for the sin of those who believe in Him , therefor their souls will not perish.

It is up to everyone to decide whether they can save themselves or need a Savior. As far as I know most religions are based on works for salvation except one, faith in Christ. For salvation is based what He has done on the cross and not us, this is why I am a Christian, for I know I am not an all good person. Salvation is a gift from God, I prefer to accept that gift and believe in Jesus Christ.

Why do you think Jesus was crucified if He was guilty of nothing?
Jesus has fulfilled many prophecies.... if you would like to read about it you can go here... https://www.cbcg.org/franklin/SA/SA_28prophecies.pdf
 
'Amir Alzzalam said:
Uhh . . . evolution?
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I am not an evolutionist. Man is also a creator, we do not produce the material with the hope that it will evolve and become something we want or need. I ask myself, how long will it take for materials to create a house.....500 billion years maybe? Or how long will it take for raw materials to become living cells and the cells to become a hearts/lungs/eyes, etc.? If evolution is your logic and gives you peace of mind I am happy for you, but for me it makes no sense. We can agree to disagree..... ;) The creation needs a Creator to exist. :)
 
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Brother, If you know the context of the above 5 verses, which I mentioned, please write here.
You wrote, "soul will die". Here "death" means only spiritual death (not physical death), and this death means "away from God".
Jesus was a great prophet of God. I respect him by my heart. But, according to you " Jesus died on the cross to sacrifice Himself to pay for the sin of those who believe in Him". Bible says he was weeping with bloody tears and praying again and again to God, that please save me from this death.
Sacrifice is always with willingness. But, here Jesus was not willing to die on the cross.
In the old testament, nobody prophesied about "his death on the cross for our sins". Even Jesus did not prophesy these words, that he will die on the cross for our sins.
 
Ijaz Ahmad Ahmadi said:
In reply to reply #41.
Brother, If you know the context of the above 5 verses, which I mentioned, please write here.

You wrote, "soul will die". Here "death" means only spiritual death (not physical death), and this death means "away from God".

Jesus was a great prophet of God. I respect him by my heart. But, according to you " Jesus died on the cross to sacrifice Himself to pay for the sin of those who believe in Him". Bible says he was weeping with bloody tears and praying again and again to God, that please save me from this death.

Sacrifice is always with willingness. But, here Jesus was not willing to die on the cross.

In the old testament, nobody prophesied about "his death on the cross for our sins". Even Jesus did not prophesy these words, that he will die on the cross for our sins.
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There are confusion among many when it comes to the Trinity. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, is God. Like man has a body, spirit and soul, but is still man.

You will agree with me that Jesus was a man, He was afraid to be crucified, he bled, etc, but I am pretty sure you will not agree with me that Jesus is God. There are text that specifically refers to Jesus as God. In Hebrews 1:8 God the Father calls His Son Jesus God.

So when Jesus was on this earth born from a virgin and no human father, He had the nature of man and God. So sometimes you will see He acted like a human and other times like God. For example, show me a man who can or could walk on water...;) Can tell a storm to calm down (Matthew 8:23-27), etc.
There are many prophecies about Jesus my friend, I am not going to mention them all here, if you want, you can go here https://www.learnreligions.com/prophecies-of-jesus-fulfilled-700159 .
 
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Ijaz Ahmad Ahmadi said:
Bible says he was weeping with bloody tears and praying again and again to God, that please save me from this death.
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As was explained when you made the same assertion on another thread months ago, Jesus recited Psalms 22 while dying on the cross. That which foreshadowed his suffering 1000 years prior in the Old Testament. In other words, look, it's happening, prophecy fulfilled! Even in utter agony, Jesus never stopped teaching.
Ijaz Ahmad Ahmadi said:
Sacrifice is always with willingness. But, here Jesus was not willing to die on the cross.
In the old testament, nobody prophesied about "his death on the cross for our sins". Even Jesus did not prophesy these words, that he will die on the cross for our sins.
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Jesus knew of the crucifixion from the start and willingly accepted what must come to pass. He even forewarned his disciples many times of the things to come, staying the course and never wavering from his fate.

Mark 9:31 For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.

Luke 9:22 The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.

Consider too Jesus' words at the last supper, clearly stating why his blood must be shed.

Matthew 26
26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
 
Yahweh kid said:
Ok, why would you then believe you can transfer your consciousness or make your own universe?
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Yahweh kid said:
I am not an evolutionist. Man is also a creator, we do not produce the material with the hope that it will evolve and become something we want or need. I ask myself, how long will it take for materials to create a house.....500 billion years maybe? Or how long will it take for raw materials to become living cells and the cells to become a hearts/lungs/eyes, etc.? If evolution is your logic and gives you peace of mind I am happy for you, but for me it makes no sense. We can agree to disagree..... ;) The creation needs a Creator to exist. :)
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The argument for and against Evolution and Creation is a long and hotly debated subject, however more of the evidence points towards Evolution. It's not worth debating it here, plenty of the world's smartest minds have already done so. Yes, agree to disagree.

I'll address your other question soon, as it is not an easy answer and will require some thought.
 
'Amir Alzzalam said:
The argument for and against Evolution and Creation is a long and hotly debated subject, however more of the evidence points towards Evolution. It's not worth debating it here, plenty of the world's smartest minds have already done so. Yes, agree to disagree.

I'll address your other question soon, as it is not an easy answer and will require some thought.
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When you compare the world's greatest minds with the mind of God, it will be like an ant trying to understand a human.
Isaiah 55 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways. . . . As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts”

Evolution is just another faith, to take the place of the Creator God. ;)
 
Yahweh kid said:
When you compare the world's greatest minds with the mind of God, it will be like an ant trying to understand a human.
Isaiah 55 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways. . . . As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts”

Evolution is just another faith, to take the place of the Creator God. ;)
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Well, isn't that a bit of a stretch and based completely on Faith? First, you can't confirm your faith by a book written by your faith, that's called Circular Logic and doesn't work. Secondly, are you trying to confirm exactly the same idea that you have asked me for evidence of? That's hypocrisy.
 
'Amir Alzzalam said:
Well, isn't that a bit of a stretch and based completely on Faith? First, you can't confirm your faith by a book written by your faith, that's called Circular Logic and doesn't work. Secondly, are you trying to confirm exactly the same idea that you have asked me for evidence of? That's hypocrisy.
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Maybe it is a stretch for you.....Now let say if God is the Creator of this universe, do you really think man can compare to God in any way?

I would still love for you to answer my questions if you can even though I might be a hypocrite.. :rolleyes:
Is intelligence needed to invent something or not?
 
Yahweh kid said:
Maybe it is a stretch for you.....Now let say if God is the Creator of this universe, do you really think man can compare to God in any way?
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No, the consciousnesses in the universe of Yahweh, Allah, or whatever god you adhere to are part of that god's universe and thus that god reigns supreme . . . this universe is that god's domain.

If you believe what you just stated to me, then you obviously don't need an explanation for my LHP Beliefs as they are the same except that we do not adhere to another god other than our Greater Self/GodSelf.
 
'Amir Alzzalam said:
LOL . . . it's far from a simple question.

INVENT create or design (something that has not existed before); be the originator of.
The answer is NO.
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I am struggling to understand how life can originate from nonliving matter, that is why I believe life was created by an intelligent being. Where did life began? Do you know Amir?
 
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