Bahai ....... political ambitions?

[badger]

This satisfies you to refer to them repeatedly as 'ankle gated convicts'? *
Of course anyone can commit a crime. That is hardly the point
Too right ...

* Rather than, say: prisoners of conscience, or victims of religious persecution?

Becaue they were convicted and ankle gaited.

 

[RJM]

Becaue they were convicted and ankle gaited.

As prisoners of conscience under an oppressive regime. Like Steve Biko in South Africa, for instance

 

[mrym]

Badger, I refered to some of your ideas before, but you seemed to have completely dismissed them. so I'll try a second time:

about the destruction of the Baha'i houses in Roshan Kuh, that was purely an act of enmity towards Baha'is. If the gorvernment destroys your house -after having given enough warnings- they will not at the same time write on the ruined walls things like "death to baha'is" and "get out of this country" and "death to Israelis" which is what has happened in Roshan Kuh.

Regarding the recent women (and men) who are being ankle gated, you are completely wrong claiming that MAYBE they had done something wrong to the government etc. I KNOW (and I mean I closely and personally know) two of them and have known their activities and through them I know the rest. none of them are the kinds of people who would do something against the government. if there is any person who is really loud and clear about the corruption in the gov. that is more like me and not them; I assure you. but well....you can choose not to believe.

finally, you say you have known Baha'i and its history for more than 50 years. it is shocking then that you do not know the very basic truth, which is not denied either by Iran's gov. or the Baha'is themselves or anyone who is a little bit familiar with the history of this faith, that Baha'ullah did NOT leave Iran on His own will and He did NOT have good conditions in any of the countries He was imprisoned in, specially in Akka.

 

[badger]

As prisoners of conscience under an oppressive regime. Like Steve Biko in South Africa, for instance

If you think that all Baha'i convicts are prisoners of conscience, then that's what you think.

 

[Longfellow]

Okay, I think I get it now. If I want to see what people are saying about the political ambitions of Baha'is, I need to look in the "Current suppression of Baha'is in Iran" thread. If I want to see what people are saying about oppression of Baha'is in Iran, I need to look in the "Bahai ....... political ambitions?" thread.

 

[badger]

Okay, I think I get it now. If I want to see what people are saying about the political ambitions of Baha'is, I need to look in the "Current suppression of Baha'is in Iran" thread. If I want to see what people are saying about oppression of Baha'is in Iran, I need to look in the "Bahai ....... political ambitions?" thread.

Yes...it has become a bit of a mix'n'match discussion.
What do you or don't you believe, Longfellow?

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

I wonder how OB now views what is happening to the Baha'i in Iran given the current situation in Iran.

Maybe one can see that it is a majority of Iranians that are looking g for change.

Interestingly Baha'u'llah said it would be women that lead us to peace.

Regards Tony

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

 

[arthra]

What does it mean to be persecuted for your faith?
The meaning of persecution rom the Baha’i Writings:

O maid-servant of God! The circumstances will be severe for every thankful servant (i. e., believer in the Teachings) in those boundaries and countries. The people shall arise against you with the most bitter hatred, opposition and envy. Swords of persecution and curses shall be thrown at you by all the nations. The wind of tests and trials shall fiercely blow and thereby the weak trees, which are not firmly rooted in this wonderful vineyard, shall be uprooted. But the trees which are strong, thriving and green will be strengthened, their branches extended, their leaves opened, their appearance beautified and their blossoms and fruits increased. I ask God to make thee one of those firmly rooted trees and an extended branch in this most great vineyard, and to make thy heart like unto a cup overflowing with His love in every assemblage. Verily He is the Powerful, the Generous!

‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Tablets of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá v2, p. 268-269

The advanced men of all time have ever been persecuted and continually in adversity.

‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Divine Philosophy, p. 42

Thou wilt be blamed for My sake; people will attribute to thee infidelity for My sake; thou wilt bear trouble for My sake. Be encouraged, and do not fear. It happened like this also in the time of Jesus Christ.

Compilations, Bahá’í Scriptures, p. 501