Have you experienced a state of nonduality/infinity/oneness?

"Have you experienced a state of nonduality/infinity/oneness?"

Yep, pretty much constantly. Not that I could quantify the experience or put it into tangible terms. Aussie Thoughts often reflected on how interconnected the Aboriginal peoples he worked with were to each other, the world around them and those who had passed. Seemingly through a central divine spirit. Thread on here someplace about Aussie's take on the Dreamtime.
 
Thomas said:
The Straw Man argument is not really an argument.
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How is that a Straw Man argument? When the Baptist Fundamentalists and other fire and brimstone preachers needed a punishing God's words instead of a loving God's words, the OT was their goto text! But I am not here to dig up tired old arguments of Xtian against non-Xtian. For me, it is enough to know the Jesus preached words of love, never really talked too much about hell, called himself the Son of God while referring to us as bro/sis and rarely asked us to worship him. It is enough to see similar statements made in other religions. Most, even Satanism, have general undertones of love.

I am here on this Earth, I don't know why for any reason other than my folks mated. I have no real purpose other than seeking contentment. I got lucky in some ways, unlucky in others and that still holds. My beliefs choose my path as changes in my life occur. My emotions to those changes based on the beliefs determine the rightness/wrongness I assign to the changes, though I am trying to be less biased there. In the end, nothing seems to matter and that is a good thing I believe, because when i judge something as 'bad', I don't need to get too upset. I can keep believing that until another critical change occurs.

I'd prolly go on a nude, water gun using school shooting if I didn't have my Kindle and my psychotic alter took over. :D
 
Just to add, I'm not an American, and generally American Christianity, and its various brands, don't speak for me nor represent the Christianity I believe.

'Generally' because there have been some American Christians I look up to... but the noisy ones ... nah.
 
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Thomas said:
Er, have you actually read Scripture? It holds quite a significant place in the message.
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It's been a while but I have read the whole Bible. Wasn't Matthew the main gospel referring to Hell?
 
Vasu Devan said:
Wasn't Matthew the main gospel referring to Hell?
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Well it gets more mentions, because it's there in the Beatitudes.

But elsewhere he follows Mark, as does Luke, both contextualising it their own way. But tie that in with Jesus' apocalyptic references, the call to repent, etc., it's quite emphatic.
 
Thomas said:
Well it gets more mentions, because it's there in the Beatitudes.

But elsewhere he follows Mark, as does Luke, both contextualising it their own way. But tie that in with Jesus' apocalyptic references, the call to repent, etc., it's quite emphatic.
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Yeah, the thing is I don't count Revelations as from the mouth of Jesus. Also, the Beatitudes talk of good stuff for good people. It doesn't mention sinners at all.
 
Vasu Devan said:
Oh so am I. Science has just become another religion in some ways imo. I found God within, not among the many external sources which may have been doctored.
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I have to ask, how do you ensure your internal sources are free from interference or "doctoring" (from wishful thinking, self-delusion, etc)? I'm interested in this question in general, due to the number of public figures who claim deep insights yet are obviously caught up in a lot of personal issues.

What's your strategy to counter this tendency, which is evidently real and powerful in us human beings? Asking for a friend ;)
 
Cino said:
I have to ask, how do you ensure your internal sources are free from interference or "doctoring" (from wishful thinking, self-delusion, etc)? I'm interested in this question in general, due to the number of public figures who claim deep insights yet are obviously caught up in a lot of personal issues.

What's your strategy to counter this tendency, which is evidently real and powerful in us human beings? Asking for a friend ;)
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I doubt my own sources. Nothing is certain in this reality of ours. But I follow what gives me peace. One can do no more in this world.
 
Vasu Devan said:
Yeah, the thing is I don't count Revelations as from the mouth of Jesus.
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Last I read the Gospels, there was plenty of apocalyptic stuff right there. Sheep and goats, the burning dungheap, the returning master of the estate...
 
Cino said:
Last I read the Gospels, there was plenty of apocalyptic stuff right there. Sheep and goats, the burning dungheap, the returning master of the estate...
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From what I recall, Revelations was the definitive goto guide for the Church on the actual return. The Gospel references dont talk about hell.
 
Vasu Devan said:
From what I recall, Revelations was the definitive goto guide for the Church on the actual return. The Gospel references dont talk about hell.
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Matther chapter 5 has numerous references to hell, as does chapter 18.
 
Vasu Devan said:
From what I recall, Revelations was the definitive goto guide for the Church on the actual return. The Gospel references dont talk about hell.
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Cino said:
Matther chapter 5 has numerous references to hell, as does chapter 18.
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I know about Mathew. I think Luke has some too. But I cherrypick the loving message of Jesus to follow. Like I've said before, my Oneness experience leads me to believe in a loving not punishing spirit. Even the Gospels are iffy because they were selected by the Church, not written by Jesus. I have my own religion. I am not a Christian. Maybe closer to Daosim/Buddhism.
 
Ah. I was just responding to your statement that apocalyptic stuff was only found in the Revelation.

I'm not a Christian either, but I find the literature and traditions of the religions fascinating.
 
Thomas said:
So does mine. So does traditional Christianity ... the punishing bit evidences a lack of understanding, in my opinion.
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But it is definitely there in the accounts. The Buddha had a lot of sermons which make Southern Baptists look positively progressive in comparison. Jesus spoke of the fiery hell, and the gnashing of teeth. ... you know, somewhere on the way from the One to the Many there must be a nasty turn of the road where accidents happen and things get turned over.
 
Cino said:
Jesus spoke of the fiery hell, and the gnashing of teeth. ... you know, somewhere on the way from the One to the Many there must be a nasty turn of the road where accidents happen and things get turned over.
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Just like there is pleasure and pain in this life, there will be in the life hereafter .. but it could be more pronounced.

This is due to the separation of the wicked and righteous.
Is there really honour among thieves, when the chips are down?
..just a poor simile, of course.
 
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