Prohibitions

I mean, if for example pigs are unclean, why did Noah simply not take them on the Ark?
For the same reason Noah took two mosquitoes aboard the Ark...he was commanded to. 2 of every kind, male and female, except of clean animals to take 7 of each. I don't recall if the sex was broken down, but I'll leave to your consideration why so many of the clean animals were taken aboard the Ark.
 
For the same reason Noah took two mosquitoes aboard the Ark...he was commanded to. 2 of every kind, male and female, except of clean animals to take 7 of each. I don't recall if the sex was broken down, but I'll leave to your consideration why so many of the clean animals were taken aboard the Ark.
Weren't there also something like 7 pairs of each kind of clean animal?
 
I'm putting this in this thread as I think this Trad Catholic YouTube host is initially referring to prohibitions on occult material for Catholics -- and then maybe even trying to prohibit it for others -- even people who are spiritually more inclined to New Age.
Feel free to move to another thread if you think it would fit better somewhere else.
 
LOL, bit hysterical.

Luckily he's not in the UK, if he was, and visited Waktins Bookshop, he'd go absolutely batsh*t crazy!

I was a regular visitor.

(Pity he's not more informed about the historical Catholic stance towards 'witchcraft', for example.)
 
The food laws weren't laws of morality, they were health laws. I'm sure this point has been touched upon plenty of times on here.

But there are probably plenty of reasons for these food laws. The most obvious is our own health. The most common example is of course pork, because western civilizations sure do love their sausages and ham! I asked my grandmother why pork was forbidden in the Bible. She told me the same thing many people still tell me. She said that Jews weren't able to cook food thoroughly like we are today. Which makes sense... why? And that if you eat undercooked pork you just get a worm and you end up being really hungry until the worm dies. Shockingly many people still believe this. Some people have nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, etc. But many don't have any symptoms. But there is a nasty side effect that people don't talk about. Damage to the nervous system and even dementia. I used to work at a memory care facility. We learned that a lot of people who died from Alzheimer's also had calcified worms in their brains. They had trichinosis. The calcified remains of the worms caused serious problems to their nervous systems. Pig and bear are usually the main culprits for trichinosis (which makes this different from raw chicken).

It doesn't have to be our health that matters either. It could also be Earth's health that matters. When I was in Costa Rica I was speaking with a conservationist who told me an interesting fact. Lobsters are very important for the survival of corral reefs. More and more environmental groups are trying to cut down on the amount of lobster that is farmed because of the impact on the corral reefs.

If God does exist, I would think He would know what He is talking about when it comes to what we can eat. And if He suddenly changed His mind after Jesus's manifestation, I wonder if that means we can eat dead carcasses we find laying around. Maybe God changed the makeup of certain animals so that we could eat them later on.... but not others.... because that makes sense.
 
The food laws weren't laws of morality, they were health laws. I'm sure this point has been touched upon plenty of times on here.

But there are probably plenty of reasons for these food laws. The most obvious is our own health. The most common example is of course pork, because western civilizations sure do love their sausages and ham! I asked my grandmother why pork was forbidden in the Bible. She told me the same thing many people still tell me. She said that Jews weren't able to cook food thoroughly like we are today. Which makes sense... why? And that if you eat undercooked pork you just get a worm and you end up being really hungry until the worm dies. Shockingly many people still believe this. Some people have nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, etc. But many don't have any symptoms. But there is a nasty side effect that people don't talk about. Damage to the nervous system and even dementia. I used to work at a memory care facility. We learned that a lot of people who died from Alzheimer's also had calcified worms in their brains. They had trichinosis. The calcified remains of the worms caused serious problems to their nervous systems. Pig and bear are usually the main culprits for trichinosis (which makes this different from raw chicken).

It doesn't have to be our health that matters either. It could also be Earth's health that matters. When I was in Costa Rica I was speaking with a conservationist who told me an interesting fact. Lobsters are very important for the survival of corral reefs. More and more environmental groups are trying to cut down on the amount of lobster that is farmed because of the impact on the corral reefs.

If God does exist, I would think He would know what He is talking about when it comes to what we can eat. And if He suddenly changed His mind after Jesus's manifestation, I wonder if that means we can eat dead carcasses we find laying around. Maybe God changed the makeup of certain animals so that we could eat them later on.... but not others.... because that makes sense.
I definitely remember my grandfather telling us all we were going to get trichinosis when we ate pork (He was a convert to WCOG, nobody else would go along with it) Everyone else agreed that undercooked pork would lead to trichinosis though.
 
I definitely remember my grandfather telling us all we were going to get trichinosis when we ate pork (He was a convert to WCOG, nobody else would go along with it) Everyone else agreed that undercooked pork would lead to trichinosis though.
Years ago I was on a religious forum and we were talking about the afterlife. I brought up the biblical resurrections in Revelations. Someone told me that my claims were just rehashed Armstrongisms. It was the first time I heard the term. But the debate lead me to read about Mr. Armstrong. Quite the interesting man. Hard to believe how popular that church became. Even harder to believe how quickly it fell apart.
 
Years ago I was on a religious forum and we were talking about the afterlife. I brought up the biblical resurrections in Revelations. Someone told me that my claims were just rehashed Armstrongisms. It was the first time I heard the term. But the debate lead me to read about Mr. Armstrong. Quite the interesting man. Hard to believe how popular that church became. Even harder to believe how quickly it fell apart.
Yeah I think it was pretty abrupt after he (Herbert Armstrong) died. A few years.
There were some scandals with his son Garner Ted, a name I knew well from my grandfather talking about it.
I'm not sure but I think he was ousted? Maybe he never took over? I'm going to have to refresh my reading on this.
I can't remember now but Garner Ted may have passed away as well.
Then, some successor by the name of Tkach started taking things mainstream.
I know most of this from reading.
By the time big changes happened I had probably left for college (I left home for college in 1989)
I remember vaguely that my grandfather got disillusioned but I didn't really know much about it at the time.

There are remnant groups continuing. I don't know why they aren't joined with one another.
Meanwhile, the SDA church (and its reverence for the writings of Ellen White) remains intact.

Also, I love discussions about the afterlife.
 
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LOL, bit hysterical.

Luckily he's not in the UK, if he was, and visited Waktins Bookshop, he'd go absolutely batsh*t crazy!

I was a regular visitor.

(Pity he's not more informed about the historical Catholic stance towards 'witchcraft', for example.)
Or is he?
He seems on-brand.
 
Yeah I think it was pretty abrupt after he (Herbert Armstrong) died. A few years.
There were some scandals with his son Garner Ted, a name I knew well from my grandfather talking about it.
I'm not sure but I think he was ousted? Maybe he never took over? I'm going to have to refresh my reading on this.
I can't remember now but Garner Ted may have passed away as well.
Then, some successor by the name of Tkach started taking things mainstream.
I know most of this from reading.
By the time big changes happened I had probably left for college (I left home for college in 1989)
I remember vaguely that my grandfather got disillusioned but I didn't really know much about it at the time.

There are remnant groups continuing. I don't know why they aren't joined with one another.
Meanwhile, the SDA church (and its reverence for the writings of Ellen White) remains intact.

Also, I love discussions about the afterlife.
Herbert Armstrong had to constantly kick ministers out of his church who wanted to change it either to a Pentecostal church, or an Evangelical church (Tkach succeeded in the latter). I never understood it. There are tons of Pentecostal and Evangelical churches out there. If someone didn't like Mr. Armstrong's church, surely they could just join one of the many other Pentecostal and Evangelical churches. I didn't realize that I had already knew who Garner Ted was. He was somewhat famous in Nashville. Merle Haggard considered him to be one of his biggest influences.
 
He seems on-brand.
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If you want to believe that the food laws in Torah are simply some sort of ancient health code that certainly is your right.
Reading your post made me recall a conversation with a Muslim colleague. I asked him what the issue was with pork. He replied that "there does not have to be a reason, somethings exist just so that you can show obedience.

I don't know if that is anything to do with the point that you are making. I do wonder if his remark has relevance to faiths or was just his take on the situation.
 
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If you want to believe that the food laws in Torah are simply some sort of ancient health code that certainly is your right.
Simple? Um, ok. I view the food laws like this. God, according to the Bible, created us. He knows not only what is best for his creation to eat, but what not to eat. He also knows what is best for His creation's ecosystem. That is my opinion, in a nutshell, based on the entirety of the Bible.

It is NOT my opinion based SOLELY on the Torah. Entire Bible. And simple? Not sure where you get that from.
 
Reading your post made me recall a conversation with a Muslim colleague. I asked him what the issue was with pork. He replied that "there does not have to be a reason, somethings exist just so that you can show obedience.

I don't know if that is anything to do with the point that you are making. I do wonder if his remark has relevance to faiths or was just his take on the situation.
Yes, just my take. Not my opinion on the Jewish faith.
 
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